[Archived] Next Manager Part 2

[sns4ever]

Yes we've all been consumed by the dark side of the force

If you can tell me one thing that black has done wrong?other then join when kean was here but if that is the case then we should just boo every player that signed during keans time and played for kean!Even if black is given the job my anger will not be vented at black but fully at the owners if we chant for the managers head again then we will never get another manager again and just get a terrible reputation in football

[tomphil]

I dont post often as dont really want to get involved in all the arguments, and i am not saying he is the perfect manager for us but i met Karl Robinson just before Ince left MK Dons second time and Robinson took over, he was very happy to stand and talk about Rovers and Big Sam who was still with us back then, he obviously left us as a coach to be assistant manager and must have known he was sure to get the manager post if Ince left so i dont see anything wrong with his ambition, he was a youth player for Everton but had a serious injury and turned to coaching at Liverpool and at only 34 i think he is now has worked with some big names was telling me about training with Gerrard and Fowler back at Liverpool and Roque and Benni with us, he knows what he is talking about and think would surprise some people here, sorry for the love in just seemed like a good guy and would not be devastated if he came here.

Would still prefer OGS or Holloway but given Venkys past choices may end up with the mascot in charge....

Probably not my first choice but if they go down that route he'd be a decent shout, we could do a lot worse ( an prob will ). Well thought of behind the scene's, knows the club and a few of the players. Just think, if he hadn't gone back to MK we may never have ended up with coco in the club in any form

[Waggy76]

Look , I have been watching Blackburn Rovers since the late sixties ..

In that time ,we have won promotion twice to the big league ,

Who were the managers ?

Dalglish and Souness ..ok things aren;t what they used to be , but BRFC need an high profile manager .

Mark Hughes is high profile so was Hodgson , ok it didnt work but we need someone of that ilk .

Forget the journeymen , it has to be someone who can drive the club forward , who can that man be ?

These are my choices in no order ...Roy Keane , Graeme Souness , Alan Shearer(Poss) , Tim Sherwood (poss) Mark Hughes if qpr lose this weekend ..

They might fail but if the above do well the rewards will be far greater .................

Does anyone think we would have won the Premier league ,without Dalglish ?

[tomphil]

Agree on the high profile manager. It gives everyone someone to believe in and the players can never question the managers credentials, whether they get on with him or not. They have to respect him, very important in football. Also just as importantly it gives us as a club some profile in the eye's of the media, other clubs etc and sponsors. Sadly these crackpots don't adhere to any of that !

[chris_h]

Would anybody see Holloway as high profile? I would.

[SydneyRover]

Look , I have been watching Blackburn Rovers since the late sixties ..

In that time ,we have won promotion twice to the big league ,

Who were the managers ?

Dalglish and Souness ..ok things aren;t what they used to be , but BRFC need an high profile manager .

Mark Hughes is high profile so was Hodgson , ok it didnt work but we need someone of that ilk .

Forget the journeymen , it has to be someone who can drive the club forward , who can that man be ?

These are my choices in no order ...Roy Keane , Graeme Souness , Alan Shearer(Poss) , Tim Sherwood (poss) Mark Hughes if qpr lose this weekend ..

They might fail but if the above do well the rewards will be far greater .................

Does anyone think we would have won the Premier league ,without Dalglish ?

Hughes aside. your choices are pretty terrible. Even Souey has been out of the game for so long now and we did well to get rid of him when we did.

[booth]

The outstanding candidate for the job, whether we like it or not, is, and still will be tomorrow, Mick McCarthy.

He'd get us up. That's all that matters short term. We bought Leon Best - 35k a week, 4 year contract. That's 10m quid. Danny Murphy - 2 years, similar wages. Gomes? Same again. How's our parachute payments looking now?

We need promotion.

McCarthy was the one to turn to. He turned Forest down apparently 'cause he didnt want someone on the bench who wouldn't add anything, and I don't mean a player. He's a proper manager. Exactly what our club needs.

Don't get me wrong, I'd be behind Tim, Olly, anyone. But I'll say it again, we surely must get promotion this season and delaying an appointment (with all due respect to Black, who is at least showing some humility, but isnt the man) will not help.

It's bloody frustrating. Nothing more, nothing less. Soon we will have a new manager in place, the speed it's been done is baffling as we all know. They may get it right, they may get it wrong, but they must make it happen one way or another in the next few days.

I agree with getting some steady experienced hands at the helm, though I'd extend that to Holloway and Grayson too. Please no novices to the game, or lower league contenders.

[SydneyRover]

Agree on the high profile manager. It gives everyone someone to believe in and the players can never question the managers credentials, whether they get on with him or not. They have to respect him, very important in football. Also just as importantly it gives us as a club some profile in the eye's of the media, other clubs etc and sponsors. Sadly these crackpots don't adhere to any of that !

Yeah, this is just the sort of thinking that got us Paul Ince.

We need a manager with a decent track record.

[dwayne cage]

If you can tell me one thing that black has done wrong?other then join when kean was here but if that is the case then we should just boo every player that signed during keans time and played for kean!Even if black is given the job my anger will not be vented at black but fully at the owners if we chant for the managers head again then we will never get another manager again and just get a terrible reputation in football

I was only jesting, but I have any critism of Black it is the following. He sets the team up to be all out defence which none of our players are used too and it leaves our poor 8m rated striker wih no support whatsoever. He failed to bring on Nuno Gomes who has been a game changer in many games this season for us.

It's not Blacks fault Kean walked out but how he sets up the team and the decisions he makes on match days is definitely down to him, naive or not. I don't hate him, merely feel sorry for the guy being so far out of his depth.

[CrazyIvan]

Message here to El Tombro,

I refrain from posting things on here which I have reason to believe are correct because people like yourself take it upon themselves to attempt to ridicule the poster, instead, if I have information, I pass it on to people who are able to verify if the information is correct, it is a shame because lots of arguments could be prevented by people such as myself posting what information I have, but I have over my time on here taken bits of stick because I cant reveal my sources, but sources are only good sources if they trust you, for you to reveal X,Y or Z gave you information, it would be the last time, they wouldnt trust you again.

I hope this clarifies the situation and that you may find it upon yourself to refrain from personal attacks on posters on here, it may at some time be to your advantage in that you would find out more!!

Personally, I have no issues with your posts and I'd rather hear more from you as you post things without spinning them.

This managerial appointment has now dragged on for so long that frustration levels are up to pre Kean leaving levels. I hope out turns out to be worth it in the end. Meanwhile, I'll wait and see what happens especially regarding some posts in other threads regarding Rovers future. I don't want to see Rovers go tits-up but it might be the only say to get owners who can actually appoint proper football men to run the club, including a decent manager.

[roverandout]

if after all this faffing about and talk of high-profile names being in for the job then they give to someone like robinson, mckinley or even black then all hell will break loose and i hope every fan turns on the owners good and proper

[bob fleming]

Does anyone think we would have won the Premier league ,without Dalglish ?

No. Not a chance.

Unfortunately we have to recalibrate our sights. This isn't Jack, this is Shebby, Confused, Doris Et al. Great isn't it?

We'll get what they want. Untried and untested. They can find 8m for a Bishop but not the same for a King? (Crap Chess analogue, sorry) - because there is something intrinsically wrong with our club. We debate it on here to death cause we care. It's obvious what needs to be done.

Yet we try and find excuses for them, we try to turn a blind eye. "Maybe they've changed..." They'll never change.

I had a good drink last weekend with some great people, we spent a lot of time talking Rovers. I vaguely recalling saying; " I bet we spent more time tonight thinking about BRFC than they do in a week". We had it all sorted out.

Nuff said. One day it'll be back in good hands.

Until then. Bring on the new manager! And it really is RTID.

[tomphil]

Yeah, this is just the sort of thinking that got us Paul Ince.

We need a manager with a decent track record.

True but Ince's track record stacked up not bad but the thing with him was he should never have got past the interview stage. Any of our previous experienced football admin should have seen the confusion in his eye's, never mind listening to his claptrap. If they can make a cock up like that (although it was soon sorted) then it make's sense for these lot to take their time, if indeed they actually have any intention of trying to get it right !

[sns4ever]

I was only jesting, but I have any critism of Black it is the following. He sets the team up to be all out defence which none of our players are used too and it leaves our poor 8m rated striker wih no support whatsoever. He failed to bring on Nuno Gomes who has been a game changer in many games this season for us.

It's not Blacks fault Kean walked out but how he sets up the team and the decisions he makes on match days is definitely down to him, naive or not. I don't hate him, merely feel sorry for the guy being so far out of his depth.

Oh sorry I didnt get the jest in text apologies, fully agree with you regarding his managerial abilities and do not for one second think he should be manager, or even in temporary charge for as long as he has. My point was more I dont think he is a bad person (kean was, he was a poison in the club who was just in it for himself and turn the club against itself) people talk about chanting black out etc and even the chanting at him at forest just dont think its needed really dont blame black for this situation I blame kean and our inept owners

[dwayne cage]

Oh sorry I didnt get the jest in text apologies, fully agree with you regarding his managerial abilities and do not for one second think he should be manager, or even in temporary charge for as long as he has. My point was more I dont think he is a bad person (kean was, he was a poison in the club who was just in it for himself and turn the club against itself) people talk about chanting black out etc and even the chanting at him at forest just dont think its needed really dont blame black for this situation I blame kean and our inept owners

Fully agree mate

[OJRovers]

Everyone needs to accept that the owners are going to mess this decision up like every other decision since they arrived.

There is nothing to show they are capable of making a good management decision.

Apparently Maradonna was in Tiggis tonight

[booth]

To make you all feel a bit better I see on Sky Sports that Paul Ince is being considered for our local rivals.

[bob fleming]

To make you all feel a bit better I see on Sky Sports that Paul Ince is being considered for our local rivals.

They could do a lot worse than Paul "Shoot!" Ince. Kean perhaps? He was always well liked in the village.

[yoda]

I posted this in the "when will venkys go thread" but it probably should have been in here

philipl, on 19 October 2012 - 20:52 PM, said:

Coco compo is all about NDA and potentially huge. Mrs D apparently desperate to get the deal done.

I would suggest forgetting about a constructive dismissal case ever going to Tribunal.

Exactly, I have said before he does not have a leg to stand on for constructive dismisal

now picture this,

Dining room in the hills just outside Pune, the popadoms and chutney not quite finished and the telepgone rings, Mrs D answers

Mrs D "Hello Shebby what can I do for you?"

Shebby "Its the Shirley thing"

Mrs D "You want 2 mill in compo and another mill bonus for someone who has not even managed a footbal club!"

Shebby "Bhut, buht, buht"

Mrs D "and X mill payoff for my former Kean buddy, who you hounded out of the club against my wishes"

Shebby "Buht, buht, buht"

Mrs D "Get real Shebby"

Shebby "Buht, buht, buht"

Mrs D "You know as well as I do that we have someone in the club who has managed before and won't cost a rupee to hire"

Shebby "Buht, buht, buht"

Mrs D "Now Kean off the chicken jalfreizy has arrived"

Shebby "Buht, buht, buht"

Mrs D "Oh, and one last thing, stop wearing that ridiculous track suit, it makes you look like Brains on heat"

Shebby "Buht, buht, buht" click Brrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr

Philip I would say the tap is turned off,

International Rescue are probably the only ones that could save us now.

(disclaimer, I could be wrong, it might have been chicken biryani)

[USABlue]

Can we take solace in the fact that when Kean was in charge we all said they could never hire a replacement, that they would COCK it up. We were all right about that.. Not a keaning clue between em this bunch. We are well and truly screwed.

[Black Burn]

I feel that there are many people being unfair to Karl Robinson on here. Sure the guy's from the lower leagues, but he does have experience, and while he is not *the* ideal manager, it's very unfair to be saying stuff like "if Robinson gets the job, I'll never come back to Rovers". The guy isn't even Judan Ali (who also gets quite a bit of stick, I feel, from just being linked to us). Blame Venkys if you must, but please do not take your anger out on the managers and boycott them even before their first game in charge. I don't think it's fair to judge them before they are even given a single chance at the helm. I'm not saying we should appoint Robinson, but in the event we do get him, let's try to support him and get behind both him and the team instead of crying, "Venkys didn't appoint the manager I want, so I'll NEVER come back to Ewood Park". If Robinson does badly, then boycott. But until then, let's give him the support he needs. Otherwise we'll be seen as horrible fans who abuse every single manager who comes here without giving them a chance. After the fisaco with Kean, I think the media is going to have a heyday if we continue our boycott and abuse on Robinson.

[yoda]

I feel that there are many people being unfair to Karl Robinson on here. Sure the guy's from the lower leagues, but he does have experience, and while he is not *the* ideal manager, it's very unfair to be saying stuff like "if Robinson gets the job, I'll never come back to Rovers". The guy isn't even Judan Ali (who also gets quite a bit of stick, I feel, from just being linked to us). Blame Venkys if you must, but please do not take your anger out on the managers and boycott them even before their first game in charge. I don't think it's fair to judge them before they are even given a single chance at the helm. I'm not saying we should appoint Robinson, but in the event we do get him, let's try to support him and get behind both him and the team instead of crying, "Venkys didn't appoint the manager I want, so I'll NEVER come back to Ewood Park". If Robinson does badly, then boycott. But until then, let's give him the support he needs. Otherwise we'll be seen as horrible fans who abuse every single manager who comes here without giving them a chance. After the fisaco with Kean, I think the media is going to have a heyday if we continue our boycott and abuse on Robinson.

The fiasco with coco the keaning cone was down to the venkys, not the supporters.

Kean the media, they don't care about Blackburn Rovers

[Black Burn]

The fiasco with coco the keaning cone was down to the venkys, not the supporters.

Kean the media, they don't care about Blackburn Rovers

No one ever said the fiasco was the fault of the supporters, just saying we'll only made ourselves look bad if we continue to abuse managers. At this rate even McCarthy would have second thoughts coming here ("wow, they didn't even give Karl Robinson a chance, no way am I going there"). We're lucky people continue to apply for the job after Kean got sacked, but if we drive out Robinson again, the chances of anyone wanting to come near our club will drop to zero. And at that time we'll have to appoint from within, for example Eric Black.

[yoda]

No one ever said the fiasco was the fault of the supporters, just saying we'll only made ourselves look bad if we continue to abuse managers. At this rate even McCarthy would have second thoughts coming here ("wow, they didn't even give Karl Robinson a chance, no way am I going there"). We're lucky people continue to apply for the job after Kean got sacked, but if we drive out Robinson again, the chances of anyone wanting to come near our club will drop to zero. And at that time we'll have to appoint from within, for example Eric Black.

[47er]

Ridiculous. Fans are entitled to be critical of some potential managers given the boast by Shebby of how many famous names were vying for the job. What makes you think we won't get Black anyway?

We will never do any good while Venkys own us and that's not the fault of the fans.

How do we "look bad"? You mean the media will continue to be on our backs? Who cares? All these famous managers who've applied clearly don't.

Keep the pressure up till the scandalously born sell up I say.