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The racism didn't kill 6 million people because they were white. It was because they were Jewish. You seem to be saying because white people don't have groups about their persecution it's unusual that black people want groups of their own. I was pointing out that Jewish people do have such groups and asking if you were averse to those. You probably aren't, but then it kind of devalues your argument.

Are the Jews actually a race or just a religion? Genuine question :s

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Despite their horrific recent past, I feel that modern day America has a much better attitude to race than we do. Take this brilliant routine by Louis CK.....

WARNING: CONTAINS SWEARS!!!!!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TG4f9zR5yzY

Now clearly when you hear the whole routine, he takes the mick out of whites but if a white British comedian tried this routine he'd be booed off as soon as he said he "loved being white" and would be labled as a racist in the papers with racism expert Clarke Carlise pointing out how sad he is with the society he lives in.

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Are the Jews actually a race or just a religion? Genuine question :s

Good question, might be xenophobia.

absolutly

but dont say anything to him ,he will say your violent.

No, I'll say you might be violent. But then that's the same with any person you do not know. It doesn't stop me meeting people in general life but I have no desire to meet you when you say we should meet face to face sometime. Meeting face to face has no relevance when we are discussing things. We can discuss things here. I don't see how meeting would change anything. If you have a problem typing and therefore can't articulate what you truly mean over the internet then I could understand, but even then there are other ways around things.What possible reason could you have for meeting me face to face?

It can be race or religion.

I guess there are plenty of people with Jewish heritage who don't follow the religion so I can see this being the case.

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Keys just asked a black solisiter if he had a problem if there was a white footballers union . He said there was one already ... BNP .

i wonder why certain posters ignore this completely...

he is being racist and portraying all whtie footballers as nazi´s..!! some of the brits had their mothers/fathers or grandparents killed by those and he is using this.. Where is ht outcry for him losing his licence to practise law.?

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Jews are NOT a race. There's White Jews, African Jews, Indian Jews etc. Do they all trace their ancestry back to ancient Palestine?

Depends how you define 'race'. According to the dictionary.....

Definition of race

noun

each of the major divisions of humankind, having distinct physical characteristics:

people of all races, colours, and creeds

* [mass noun] the fact or condition of belonging to a racial division or group; the qualities or characteristics associated with this.

* a group of people sharing the same culture, history, language, etc.; an ethnic group:

we Scots were a bloodthirsty race then

* a group or set of people or things with a common feature or features:

some male firefighters still regarded women as a race apart

* Biology a population within a species that is distinct in some way, especially a subspecies:

people have killed so many tigers that two races are probably extinct

* (in non-technical use) each of the major divisions of living creatures:

a member of the human race

the race of birds

Seems like quite a loose word, it cites the use of Scots and race being used together is OK and the Jews can certianly be described as group that share the same 'culture, history, language'.

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Really? How about the racism which killed 6 million white people in a most horrific manner in the late 30's and 40's? Is that recent enough?

What a stupid comment. That was part of a period of ethnic cleansing which included (to a much lesser extent) blacks, gypsies, disabled people and all manner of non-aryans as well as the Jews.

I really don't see what point you're trying to make.

Why didn't you just mention Zimbabwe? You'd still have been missing the point of what I said, but at least you'd have posted something that a made a little sense.

The fact of the matter is that there is still racism present in football and not enough effort is being put in to stop it (or at least the punishments for it are way out of line with everywhere else). Whether it be players or fans.

If black players want to try and do something about it then I see no problem with it. Separate organisations isn't a long time solution obviously but if it speeds up the removal of racism from our game then great if it has no effect then get rid of it.

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And yet when you go on Wikipedia it says...

the definition of racism has moved away from its true meaning. A racist is a person who thinks his race is superior to other races. In todays world you get called racist for speaking your mind about certain religions, which quite frankly is ridicolous. i guess its a question of, if enough people misuse the word, the words meaning is going to get changed.

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Then do you consider Christians and Muslims to be a race?

They could accurately be desacribed as one given the dictionary defintion. Let me ask you, do you moan when people say "the human race" which is a common term?

All in all, we're arguing semantics, which is pointless in the greater scheme of this debate.

the definition of racism has moved away from its true meaning. A racist is a person who thinks his race is superior to other races. In todays world you get called racist for speaking your mind about certain religions, which quite frankly is ridicolous. i guess its a question of, if enough people misuse the word, the words meaning is going to get changed.

Well no actually, if you think the word 'race' only pertains to skin colour then it is you that is moving away from it's original definition.....

race (n.2) dictionary.gif "people of common descent," c.1500, from M.Fr. razza "race, breed, lineage," possibly from It. razza, of unknown origin (cf. Sp., Port. raza). Original senses in English included "wines with characteristic flavor" (1520), "group of people with common occupation" (c.1500), and "generation" (c.1560). Meaning "tribe, nation, or people regarded as of common stock" is from c.1600.

from an etymology website.

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What a stupid comment. That was part of a period of ethnic cleansing which included (to a much lesser extent) blacks, gypsies, disabled people and all manner of non-aryans as well as the Jews.

I really don't see what point you're trying to make.

Why didn't you just mention Zimbabwe? You'd still have been missing the point of what I said, but at least you'd have posted something that a made a little sense.

The fact of the matter is that there is still racism present in football and not enough effort is being put in to stop it (or at least the punishments for it are way out of line with everywhere else). Whether it be players or fans.

If black players want to try and do something about it then I see no problem with it. Separate organisations isn't a long time solution obviously but if it speeds up the removal of racism from our game then great if it has no effect then get rid of it.

history is not relevant in this discissuion, the core of this isue is, that the black player union is working for the rights of their race, they seek out prefereantial treatment aka the rooney rule. Thats the issue at hand. If they get what they want, the asians, hispanics and white people will be discriminated against.Its fighting discrimination with discrimination, It is that simple.

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Oh good. At least nobody can accuse Hitler and the nazi's of being racist then.

I assume this was aimed at me... It's difficult to tell because it has no relevance to what I said, but I'm just guessing from past experience of your posts.

I have a feeling that either what I'm saying is going over your head or you're just a douche, so I'll wash my hands of you.

i wonder why certain posters ignore this completely...

he is being racist and portraying all whtie footballers as nazi´s..!! some of the brits had their mothers/fathers or grandparents killed by those and he is using this.. Where is ht outcry for him losing his licence to practise law.?

It's a stupid comment that he shouldn't have made, he's not really calling white footballers Nazis though is he.

history is not relevant in this discissuion, the core of this isue is, that the black player union is working for the rights of their race, they seek out prefereantial treatment aka the rooney rule. Thats the issue at hand. If they get what they want, the asians, hispanics and white people will be discriminated against.Its fighting discrimination with discrimination, It is that simple.

Why would it mean other races are being discriminated against? This has nothing to do with the Rooney Rule either. You're free to think that it's a bad idea, that's fine, I can understand that. It isn't a long term solution as I said, but something does need to be done as not enough is currently being done by the people at the top. The aim of this is to make them stand up and take notice.

Also, there is a Jewish race and a Jewish religion. It's actually quite a strong race because Jewish raced people have tended to only have children with other Jews over the centuries. Possibly just because they've faced hostility in most places they've spread to and now they feel their race is something to protect because of it.

I would never say there was a Christian or Muslim race though. That's just a bit silly.

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The fact of the matter is that there is still racism present in football and not enough effort is being put in to stop it (or at least the punishments for it are way out of line with everywhere else). Whether it be players or fans.

If black players want to try and do something about it then I see no problem with it. Separate organisations isn't a long time solution obviously but if it speeds up the removal of racism from our game then great if it has no effect then get rid of it.

I still maintain that there is little or no racism in UK football XLM. If a player is the right price he will be signed by a club whether he is black, white or sky blue pink.

Who do you think you are ... Oliver Holt?

I assume this was aimed at me... It's difficult to tell because it has no relevance to what I said, but I'm just guessing from past experience of your posts.

I have a feeling that either what I'm saying is going over your head or you're just a douche, so I'll wash my hands of you.

Halleluja. One less bleeding heart to bother about.

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They could accurately be desacribed as one given the dictionary defintion.

In a very loose sense of the word, yes. It would also open up a whole can of worms.

Let me ask you, do you moan when people say "the human race" which is a common term?

If someone in this thread claimed that humans were a race, I would correct them.

All in all, we're arguing semantics, which is pointless in the greater scheme of this debate.

What was the point of this debate again?

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Total racist idea. I hope they let whites allowed in their group under discrimination law. Was it the bnp which had to allow coloured people to vote because of discrimination?

Sorry if my views offend but as a white male I think what went on over the terry saga and Rio s chic ice comment that we've become to soft over the subject.

I don't care if your Jewish or coloured if your a decent entity that is al what matters. Shouldn't care what others think. The n word should be banned from use from both races we cant have it one way for whites where its banned but colored people rapping and using ittc whilst promoting equality.

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XLM

It's a stupid comment that he shouldn't have made, he's not really calling white footballers Nazis though is he.

white footballers already have a union, its called bnp. He is without any doubt, labelling white players as bnp members. Bnp was started by former members of combat 18, hence me making that reference, but i agree that nazi is taking it a step to far on my part. They arent nazis, but nationalists and nothing wrong with that imo.

His comment was a racist though, no way about that.

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It's a stupid comment that he shouldn't have made, he's not really calling white footballers Nazis though is he.

white footballers already have a union, its called bnp. He is without any doubt, labelling white players as bnp members. Bnp was started by former members of combat 18, hence me making that reference, but i agree that nazi is taking it a step to far on my part. They arent nazis, but nationalists and nothing wrong with that imo.

His comment was a racist though, no way about that.

Why would it mean other races are being discriminated against? This has nothing to do with the Rooney Rule either. .

it should not be necessary for me, to explain this to you once again, re-read the thread if you want to go in circles.

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