[Archived] Henning Berg - Rovers Manager

[Gav]

Just because he played for us means jack sheet. He has already pimped his opinions for cash so he has HIS OWN interests at heart. Plus he hasn't resigned so it can't be case ;-)

Its got nothing to do with the fact he played for us, we could be managed by you, and I'd be far more happy than I was under that lying scheming rat Kean, but people need a little perspective and also a reality check. Our fortunes aren't going to change over night, and with the 'brothers confused' in charge our fortunes may not change ever, but getting rid of king rat is a step in the right direction for me, so I'll be happy to give Berg until next season to change our furtunes.

[den]

I myself noticed that you didn't answer my question the other day asking to explain the 2nd half of the season when Kean nearly relegated us.....lost Diouf, added Jermaine Jones and Santa Cruz....we had a better squad than under Allardyce yet became a much worse team......how would you explain that?

Sorry Salgado, but I didn't go back to the topic - so didn't read your post. As for your point that Kean had a better squad than Allardyce, well I can only say that every transfer window has had fans saying that the squad has been improved.

[Gav]

Plenty of skill in the squad but little ability to cope at this level. That lot aren't too good for this div.... they just think they are! The squad is unbalanced in terms of us almost being able to field a full team of skilfull but lightweight inside forwards whilst there is not a dominant ball winner anywhere in sight in either defence or midfield AND there are no natural leaders in the squad. The worst aspect is the fragile temperament of the squad, mentally they are weak as kittens and give off the feeling that they all think they are too good for this division and that they would be better elsewhere.

Absolutely, spot on Gordon.

[SydneyRover]

Someone like Holloway might not have swept all before them, but they would at least have kept us in and around the play off zone with this squad.

Kean should not be the standard for judging Berg. Currently results aren't good enough and although our squad is lacking in certain areas, so are most other squads in this league. There is enough talent and experience in this squad to win games - if harnessed correctly. Currently we're one of the worst sides in the league and are getting worse and worse under Berg.

If we have similar form over the next five games, I think in an ideal world his position would need to be start being considered- I was up for giving him until well after the January transfer window but even I didn't think results would be this bad. However given how long they took to sack the last clown in charge I think whatever the results are Berg will be staying with us for a while.

Its got nothing to do with the fact he played for us, we could be managed by you, and I'd be far more happy than I was under that lying scheming rat Kean, but people need a little perspective and also a reality check. Our fortunes aren't going to change over night, and with the 'brothers confused' in charge our fortunes may not change ever, but getting rid of king rat is a step in the right direction for me, so I'll be happy to give Berg until next season to change our furtunes.

If Berg carries on current form we will be dragged into a relegation scrap.

Unless results start to pick up significantly then he will need to get the chop long before next season.

[jim mk2]

. A different manager might get a little more out of this squad than Berg has, I wouldn't argue with that, but to suggest this squad is one of the best in the league is going against what we've been watching for more than 20 games now. Forget names and rely on what your eyes tell you.

Change of tone finally admitting you were wrong about the manager.

No one is saying this squad should be promoted, only that Berg has made it considerably worse and shows no sign of being able to organise or motivate a football team.

[SydneyRover]

Performances have been dire all season, in fact they've been dire since Sam was sacked two years ago. Results have got worse granted, but that's more than likely down to the fact that teams know if they press us in midfield they'll create chances. A different manager might get a little more out of this squad than Berg has, I wouldn't argue with that, but to suggest this squad is one of the best in the league is going against what we've been watching for more than 20 games now. Forget names and rely on what your eyes tell you.

You've been watching Rovers under three very poor managers.

I'm not saying an experienced name would have them playing like Barcelona, but it would make a sizeable difference.

[Athlete]

if this carries run on much longer we'll be struggling to get to the 50 point safety bench mark ...anyone else feel it's Shebby + not Berg picking the side

remember no credible manager will work for these owners....

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[Doug]

I now believe it's time to make a big decision. I'm not in the Berg out group as such and won't have a go at him as he has the poisoned chalice, but, I think we have to do something before the transfer window opens, as another bad dip into the market could compound all the issues we have now.

My gut feeling is saying bring Hughes and his team in, he has the required experience, popular ex Rover and presume he must have managed our two dissapointing central midfielders and therefore knows how to get the best out of them.

I know its a bad time, I know Hughsie has had a bad season so far, I know its not fair on Berg, I know he may not fit in with our global dissaster.

Its just a thought that keeps coming back to me, as the only course of action that could change things, that we could all get behind.

[Athlete]

I now believe it's time to make a big decision. I'm not in the Berg out group as such and won't have a go at him as he has the poisoned chalice, but, I think we have to do something before the transfer window opens, as another bad dip into the market could compound all the issues we have now.

My gut feeling is saying bring Hughes and his team in, he has the required experience, popular ex Rover and presume he must have managed our two dissapointing central midfielders and therefore knows how to get the best out of them.

I know its a bad time, I know Hughsie has had a bad season so far, I know its not fair on Berg, I know he may not fit in with our global dissaster.

Its just a thought that keeps coming back to me, as the only course of action that could change things, that we could all get behind.

agree but I doubt for one minute Hughes and his backroom team would work under Global dissaster Shabby Singh

[foreverrovers]

Singh is the owners man on the ground at Ewood. If Berg was to go, then Singh knows he would be put under huge pressure due to the recruitment saga. Therefore Berg's in the job for aslong as he wants it.

[Athlete]

Singh is an utter baffoon who shouldn't be anywhere near BRFC

[Puffsan]

the most easy way to change a poor run like we have is to change our playing style and grind out a couple of results. the problem is that we dont really have the players to play in a tough direct style and fight out some victories.

our performance have been poor but we have not been outplayed so far. Cardiff barely had any chances, blackpool aswell, the problem is they score on all their chances vs us, and we seem to miss. if the margins had gone our way it could be alot different, but it hasnt and thats Bergs responsibility. The start hasnt been what i expected and was hoping for but im still confident he will do a good job with us if he is given the time with the squad and are able to bring some new faces in.

i see there is alot of speculation about who is really in charge, why some players dont play as much, why he subs so late etc etc etc. I suggest someone set up an open forum and invite berg to answer questions from the fans. I can almost guarantee that he will show up and answer the questions in a reasonable way.

there is too much speculation going around and i hope someone takes the initiative to arrange this before things escalates.

[Hasta]

Excellent summary above from Blueboy333 - hits a lot of nails on heads.

Complete rubbish summary of our players from Blueboy333. Shows exactly why some fans are so out of touch with where the blame for this mess lies.

[jim mk2]

given how long they took to sack the last clown in charge I think whatever the results are Berg will be staying with us for a while.

If Berg carries on current form we will be dragged into a relegation scrap.

Unless results start to pick up significantly then he will need to get the chop long before next season.

They didn't sack Kean , he resigned. Agree however that we are stuck with Berg because he is Shebby's man and he has staked his reputation on Berg being a success.

[Gav]

Complete rubbish summary of our players from Blueboy333. Shows exactly why some fans are so out of touch with where the blame for this mess lies.

+100

[LeChuck]

we have is to change our playing style and grind out a couple of results. the problem is that we dont really have the players to play in a tough direct style and fight out some victories.

To my mind, the biggest problem there being that we bought an £8 million striker that does f**k all when he's not scoring.

Berg must see all the problems we have with our team and wonder how the hell we could blow that amount of money on one position.

[den]

You've been watching Rovers under three very poor managers.

I'm not saying an experienced name would have them playing like Barcelona, but it would make a sizeable difference.

I agree with all of that apart from "sizeable".

[den]

Change of tone finally admitting you were wrong about the manager.

No one is saying this squad should be promoted, only that Berg has made it considerably worse and shows no sign of being able to organise or motivate a football team.

No change of tone whatsoever Jim. How was I wrong about the manager? I've said all along that a manager's main influence in improving the squad is by bringing in better players. 10% is about how he can improve a squad by coaching or tactics, but 90% of how a manager improves a squad is by the quality of player he can bring in - I said that last week. The minimal amount that coaching can bring to this squad is nowhere near enough to get us out of this league - IMO.

On the other hand, you seem to have only been arguing that a good manager improves players [which we all know and agree with anyhow] - in which case what's the point in arguing for McCarthy if you don't believe he would get us promoted? Long term, he might do a better job if he's allowed to bring in his own men, but Berg might do that as well - who knows? So why whinge about McCarthy now?

Complete rubbish summary of our players from Blueboy333. Shows exactly why some fans are so out of touch with where the blame for this mess lies.

+1 as well.

[G Somerset Rover]

To my mind, the biggest problem there being that we bought an £8 million striker that does f**k all when he's not scoring.

Berg must see all the problems we have with our team and wonder how the hell we could blow that amount of money on one position.

Huddersfield didn't find it a problem though did they? They built the team around him, playing to his strengths and they both flourished as a result.

I genuinely believe he'll smash loads in when Best partners him from January. We'd have to change our approach if we ever went up (extremely doubtful this season), but we could definitely get away with a 4-4-2 in this league, providing we make a couple of additions.

I would also say that the "biggest problem" was never replacing Samba or N'Zonzi adequately - not the arrival of Rhodes. For example we wouldn't have conceded 99% of the headed goals that we have this season if we'd had a Samba type figure at the back (not ability, just a dominant centre half). Instead we signed the likes of Muprhy, Etuhu and Henrique.

[booth]

Singh is the owners man on the ground at Ewood. If Berg was to go, then Singh knows he would be put under huge pressure due to the recruitment saga. Therefore Berg's in the job for aslong as he wants it.

There will come a point where Singh has some explaining to do if Berg's form doesn't pick up. I'm pretty certain of that.

[rovers11]

"Singh is the owners man on the ground at Ewood. If Berg was to go, then Singh knows he would be put under huge pressure due to the recruitment saga. Therefore Berg's in the job for aslong as he wants it".

I don't agree with the last sentence. Singh quite purposefully made a point of saying Berg was a unanimous choice between all members on the board - he quite deliberately didn't say Berg was his choice. Berg was clearly Singh's choice; we all know that but he didn't want that to be known publically just in case the appointment was a disaster. If it is a disaster, and it's looking that way, then Singh can come out and say 'we all chose him'. We saw how Shaw wanted to distance himself with Berg's appointment by saying his wasn't first choice (i.e. he wasn't HIS first choice).

Singh's remit is to bring communicate with the fans, get us promoted and get fans back into the stadium. He's achieved the first one but the other 2 he has failed miserably on so far. I don't think he would have any qualms about getting rid of Berg at all.

I suspect Berg will get one last throw of the dice before he is sacked - he'll be allowed to bring in his own backroom team and bring in players in January. If things don't improve from there then he'll be out. With promotion highly unlikely now, I don't see how Berg will be here next season unless we have a great run towards the end of the season and we start looking like promotion contenders for the following season.

"Singh is the owners man on the ground at Ewood. If Berg was to go, then Singh knows he would be put under huge pressure due to the recruitment saga. Therefore Berg's in the job for aslong as he wants it."

I don't agree with the last sentence. Singh quite purposefully made a point of saying Berg was a unanimous choice between all members on the board - he quite deliberately didn't say Berg was his choice. Berg was clearly Singh's choice; we all know that but he didn't want that to be known publically just in case the appointment was a disaster. If it is a disaster, and it's looking that way, then Singh can come out and say 'we all chose him'. We saw how Shaw wanted to distance himself with Berg's appointment by saying his wasn't first choice (i.e. he wasn't HIS first choice).

Singh's remit is to bring communicate with the fans, get us promoted and get fans back into the stadium. He's achieved the first one but the other 2 he has failed miserably on so far. I don't think he would have any qualms about getting rid of Berg at all.

I suspect Berg will get one last throw of the dice before he is sacked - he'll be allowed to bring in his own backroom team and bring in players in January. If things don't improve from there then he'll be out. With promotion highly unlikely now, I don't see how Berg will be here next season unless we have a great run towards the end of the season and we start looking like promotion contenders for the following season.

[rovers11]

"Singh is the owners man on the ground at Ewood. If Berg was to go, then Singh knows he would be put under huge pressure due to the recruitment saga. Therefore Berg's in the job for aslong as he wants it".

I don't agree with the last sentence. Singh quite purposefully made a point of saying Berg was a unanimous choice between all members on the board - he quite deliberately didn't say Berg was his choice. Berg was clearly Singh's choice; we all know that but he didn't want that to be known publically just in case the appointment was a disaster. If it is a disaster, and it's looking that way, then Singh can come out and say 'we all chose him'. We saw how Shaw wanted to distance himself with Berg's appointment by saying his wasn't first choice (i.e. he wasn't HIS first choice).

Singh's remit is to bring communicate with the fans, get us promoted and get fans back into the stadium. He's achieved the first one but the other 2 he has failed miserably on so far. I don't think he would have any qualms about getting rid of Berg at all.

I suspect Berg will get one last throw of the dice before he is sacked - he'll be allowed to bring in his own backroom team and bring in players in January. If things don't improve from there then he'll be out. With promotion highly unlikely now, I don't see how Berg will be here next season unless we have a great run towards the end of the season and we start looking like promotion contenders for the following season.

[greco]

A few pages back i asked if anyone could point me to a club, which had clueless owners, a tv pundit in charge and a fanbase in compelte mess, who enjoyed succes. I guess there were no takers, but that is by far the most important thing to consider, when evaluating the situation.

I only know the names of a few managers, who i think could turn this around, even with @#/? up owners, but they are way out of our league. The "average joe manager", will drown in a tsunami of stupidity, incompetence and chaos.

[Athlete]

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A few pages back i asked if anyone could point me to a club, which had clueless owners, a tv pundit in charge and a fanbase in compelte mess, who enjoyed succes. I guess there were no takers, but that is by far the most important thing to consider, when evaluating the situation.<br />

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I only know the names of a few managers, who i think could turn this around, even with @#/? up owners, but they are way out of our league. The "average joe manager", will drown in a tsunami of stupidity,

incompetence and chaos.</p></blockquote>

That's the problem what decent manager would work for these clowns

[den]

One last point about the "tactics and coaching" versus the "it's all about players" debate - then I'll shut up.

Let's look at one manager in the 60's and two much newer managers.

Was Jack Marshall so successful because he was a great tactician, or was he successful because he had a team that lined up - Else, Bray Newon, Clayton England McGrath, Ferguson McEvoy Pickering Douglas Harrison?

Mark Hughes had a poor start to his Ewood spell but turned it round. Did he turn it round because of some immediate improvement in his coaching abilities, or did he turn it round because he signed Savage, Bellamy and Bentley among others?

Was Dalglish successful because he was one of the countries finest tacticians, or was he successful because of the players he bought?

Now apart from that, take a look back at some of the old programmes of the seasons when we were relegated. Take a look at those squads. Did we have bad squads, or did we have really good players but went down because of the managers tactical and coaching credentials?