[Archived] Henning Berg - Rovers Manager

[Philly13]

Has anyone made the connection that if three managers haven't gotten much out of the squad, there's a problem with the players. Looking at the squad, we have a very good strikeforce and the defense is decent (I'm more inclined to believe Cryer on Scott Dann than super angry supporters), but our midfield is dreaful. In the center Etuhu has been awful from what I've seen, Murphy has been disappointing and Lowe isn't a great player. Then on the wings we have no pace, and even though Kazim-Richards and Vukcevic and co. seem decent, its pretty tough to win without any pace.

[Steve Moss]

Has anyone made the connection that if three managers haven't gotten much out of the squad, there's a problem with the players. Looking at the squad, we have a very good strikeforce and the defense is decent (I'm more inclined to believe Cryer on Scott Dann than super angry supporters), but our midfield is dreaful. In the center Etuhu has been awful from what I've seen, Murphy has been disappointing and Lowe isn't a great player. Then on the wings we have no pace, and even though Kazim-Richards and Vukcevic and co. seem decent, its pretty tough to win without any pace.

Kean got rid of the leaders, my guess being he feared anyone who might challenge his authority. We have no Sambas, no Nelsons. Heck, we don't even have an Andrews. Until we get some canny, mentally tough warriors with a bit of personality back in the side, we'll have problems.

[USABlue]

Kean got rid of the leaders, my guess being he feared anyone who might challenge his authority. We have no Sambas, no Nelsons. Heck, we don't even have an Andrews. Until we get some canny, mentally tough warriors with a bit of personality back in the side, we'll have proble

I would have put it differently, he got rid of anyone who told him what a useless @#/? he was.

[bypass06]

Struggling Rovers want ex-Villa coach MacDonald to join Berg's staff with Friedel

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-2249640/Blackburn-want-Aston-Villa-coach-Kevin-MacDonald-join-

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-2249640/Blackburn-want-Aston-Villa-coach-Kevin-MacDonald-join-Brad-Friedel.html

[gumboots]

I always thought you were smarter than that Gumboots, in fact I know you are. We've ( or to be precise, Venky's ) have dropped a clanger with Berg, the sooner we all admit it the better.

that's the point though. Admitting it will do nothing to change things. even the owners admitting it will do nothing to change it. They can't be trusted to make a decent appointment even if there is one available and willing to come to the club - they'd vacillate, ask around and then listen to all the wrong advice and appoint someone else who was out of his depth or lied enough to flatter their egos or whatever. do I think Berg was a good appointment? No. did i hope he might surprise us all? Yes. Did i hope the players just might respond to a change from the previous dross we had as manager? Yes. Do I have any idea what we should do now? No. I don't see things changing because the rubbish that run the club are not changing

[Stuart]

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Cheers!

[Athlete]

The atmosphere at Ewood is a morgue most weeks. Certainly until we score anyway. Nerve shredding.

We could do to generate an atmosphere which can transmit onto the pitch - at the very least make the opposition feel a little intimidated!

think its gone past that IMO if you look around at any home game the crowd is that sparse and spread out - that's what venkys and their cronies have reduced the club to...

[Gav]

<blockquote class='ipsBlockquote'data-author="Sparky Marky" data-cid="1349808" data-time="1355789330"><p>

Hughes and his backroom must be appointed immediately. Some order needs to be brought to proceedings.</p></blockquote>

Never going to happen, they won't pay his wages for one, two he won't work under an idiot like Singh and three they won't sack Berg like they wouldn't sack Kean.

I'd like nothing more than for Hughes to come back, but it's not going to happen, so let's back the current manager.

[Stuart]

<blockquote class='ipsBlockquote'data-author="Athlete" data-cid="1349827" data-time="1355815399"><p>

think its gone past that IMO if you look around at any home game the crowd is that sparse and spread out - that's what venkys and their cronies have reduced the club to...</p></blockquote>

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Surely we must have clumps of fans who are as closely packed as most away followings in the bottom tier half that they congregate in? Darwen End Rovers, BBE NO1, NO2?

It's embarrassing being out-sung by a few hundred away fans.

[Gav]

<blockquote class='ipsBlockquote'data-author="bypass06" data-cid="1349823" data-time="1355813271"><p>

Struggling Rovers want ex-Villa coach MacDonald to join Berg's staff with Friedel<br />

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Read more: <a href='http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-2249640/Blackburn-want-Aston-Villa-coach-Kevin-MacDonald-join-Brad-Friedel.html#ixzz2FNqR2Xs8'>http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-2249640/Blackburn-want-Aston-Villa-coach-Kevin-MacDonald-join-</a><br />

<a href='http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-2249640/Blackburn-want-Aston-Villa-coach-Kevin-MacDonald-join-Brad-Friedel.html'>http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-2249640/Blackburn-want-Aston-Villa-coach-Kevin-MacDonald-join-Brad-Friedel.html</a></p></blockquote>

Didn't Venkys sack this chap once before?

[Rover_Shaun]

No

Has anyone made the connection that if three managers haven't gotten much out of the squad, there's a problem with the players. Looking at the squad, we have a very good strikeforce and the defense is decent (I'm more inclined to believe Cryer on Scott Dann than super angry supporters), but our midfield is dreaful. In the center Etuhu has been awful from what I've seen, Murphy has been disappointing and Lowe isn't a great player. Then on the wings we have no pace, and even though Kazim-Richards and Vukcevic and co. seem decent, its pretty tough to win without any pace.

Maybe, just maybe, there is someting wrong with the three managers...............actually there is, they were/are al out of their depth

[dave birch]

Well, after all these years, I don't know what to think.

As a club, things are in turmoil, we can't win, we lose from winnable positions, we have a joke of owners and an advisor (shebby, bugger off please) who knows nowt.

So, where to from here?

Back to our origins, mid table, pushing for promotion only to "just" miss out.

don't you just love it?

I do not get up/stay up for games these days.

[Stuart]

<blockquote class='ipsBlockquote'data-author="GAV" data-cid="1349837" data-time="1355816909"><p>

<blockquote class='ipsBlockquote'data-author="bypass06" data-cid="1349823" data-time="1355813271"><p><br />

Struggling Rovers want ex-Villa coach MacDonald to join Berg's staff with Friedel<br /><br />

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Read more: <a href='<a href='http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-2249640/Blackburn-want-Aston-Villa-coach-Kevin-MacDonald-join-Brad-Friedel.html#ixzz2FNqR2Xs8'>http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-2249640/Blackburn-want-Aston-Villa-coach-Kevin-MacDonald-join-Brad-Friedel.html#ixzz2FNqR2Xs8</a>'><a href='http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-2249640/Blackburn-want-Aston-Villa-coach-Kevin-MacDonald-join-'>http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-2249640/Blackburn-want-Aston-Villa-coach-Kevin-MacDonald-join-</a></a><br /><br />

<a href='<a href='http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-2249640/Blackburn-want-Aston-Villa-coach-Kevin-MacDonald-join-Brad-Friedel.html'>http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-2249640/Blackburn-want-Aston-Villa-coach-Kevin-MacDonald-join-Brad-Friedel.html</a>'><a href='http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-2249640/Blackburn-want-Aston-Villa-coach-Kevin-MacDonald-join-Brad-Friedel.html'>http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-2249640/Blackburn-want-Aston-Villa-coach-Kevin-MacDonald-join-Brad-Friedel.html</a></a></p></blockquote><br />

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Didn't Venkys sack this chap once before?</p></blockquote>

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No, that was Neil McDonald.

[Gav]

<blockquote class='ipsBlockquote'data-author="Stuart" data-cid="1349841" data-time="1355817311"><p><br />
Didn't Venkys sack this chap once before?</p></blockquote><br /><br />
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No, that was Neil McDonald.</p></blockquote><br />
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Cheers Stuart

[Steve Kean's Hypnotoad]

Supporting the team and Berg will do nothing at this point. There's a period where excuses can be made and its credible to think continued support will improve a situation, but that period has to be at an end now for Berg. Since the high point of his reign against Peterborough, we've lost 3 home games in a row, 1 of them to bottom 6 opposition and 1 in which we got battered. We've also scraped a lucky point against our 1-man team rivals and lost feebly to a side with a manager almost as bad as Berg. The fans have been behind Berg enormously so far and have seen that support result in our worst run and league position for decades. Its obvious that the manager's flaws go behind what mere encouragement has the power to solve. Suggesting good support will improve things at this point is about the same as suggesting thinking happy thoughts will make you fly.

[Gav]

Supporting the team and Berg will do nothing at this point. There's a period where excuses can be made and its credible to think continued support will improve a situation, but that period has to be at an end now for Berg. Since the high point of his reign against Peterborough, we've lost 3 home games in a row, 1 of them to bottom 6 opposition and 1 in which we got battered. We've also scraped a lucky point against our 1-man team rivals and lost feebly to a side with a manager almost as bad as Berg. The fans have been behind Berg enormously so far and have seen that support result in our worst run and league position for decades. Its obvious that the manager's flaws go behind what mere encouragement has the power to solve. Suggesting good support will improve things at this point is about the same as suggesting thinking happy thoughts will make you fly.

With all due respect, thats just bunkum SKH, thankfully this site probably represents less that 1% of the support and thank god for that.

If you don't support the manager, players, owners etc etc why bother supporting the club? You may as well just spend Saturday afternoon looking round Primark in the mall.

[Rover_Shaun]

You may as well just spend Saturday afternoon looking round Primark in the mall.

Isn't that what 60% of the fanbase has chosen to do?

[Steve Kean's Hypnotoad]

With all due respect, thats just bunkum SKH, thankfully this site probably represents less that 1% of the support and thank god for that.

If you don't support the manager, players, owners etc etc why bother supporting the club? You may as well just spend Saturday afternoon looking round Primark in the mall.

Can you please explain to me how you think this stance is justified given your position as chief agitator under Allardyce? Its absolutely comical, do you grasp the concept of hypocrisy and how it completely devalues your opinion? I feel like I'm being given a lecture on civic duty by Abu Hamza.

At the ground I support Rovers as much as possible. In fact I'm part of the 1% of fans who spends every game trying create an atmosphere, something that keeps getting mentioned on here by people that I suspect don't actually bother to do it themselves. But that doesn't change the fact that support will do no good, you may as well suggest Ince/Kidd could have turned it round with continued support, and that Venkys were right to keep Kean on for 2 years to see if there was any effect to be had from good support.

Good support can improve things if you have an average/good manager and you want to boost home results that extra 5%. Like what everyone should have been doing under Big Sam. But appointing a chronic manager who's getting chronic results and then suggesting good support can fix things is rubbish. We're struggling for reasons that have nothing to do with support, so how is support gonna help?

[Gav]

Can you please explain to me how you think this stance is justified given your position as chief agitator under Allardyce? Its absolutely comical, do you grasp the concept of hypocrisy and how it completely devalues your opinion? I feel like I'm being given a lecture on civic duty by Abu Hamza.

At the ground I support Rovers as much as possible. In fact I'm part of the 1% of fans who spends every game trying create an atmosphere, something that keeps getting mentioned on here by people that I suspect don't actually bother to do it themselves. But that doesn't change the fact that support will do no good, you may as well suggest Ince/Kidd could have turned it round with continued support, and that Venkys were right to keep Kean on for 2 years to see if there was any effect to be had from good support.

Good support can improve things if you have an average/good manager and you want to boost home results that extra 5%. Like what everyone should have been doing under Big Sam. But appointing a chronic manager who's getting chronic results and then suggesting good support can fix things is rubbish. We're struggling for reasons that have nothing to do with support, so how is support gonna help?

Sadly like in all walks of life if you throw enough mud its sure to stick.

I'm not going to discuss West Hams manager, its not relevant to this discussion, but what I will say is that I backed Allardyce for far more than 9 games, best man for the job at that time.

So if you're going to sling mud make sure you can back it up.

[dr_awol]

am I the only one here who thinks

• Rovers most decorated player (post war)
• a player who's won almost everything
• studied under some of the best managers
• knows how to get out of this league
• Has had experience dealing with crappy owners

that berg should be given sometime to get his own team together ?

[bypass06]

The expected backroom changes at Ewood Park have now been put on hold until January,

http://www.lancashiretelegraph.co.uk/sport/football/blackburn_rovers/news/10114134.Rhodes_hoping_for_some_festive_cheer/

[Gav]

am I the only one here who thinks

• Rovers most decorated player (post war)
• a player who's won almost everything
• studied under some of the best managers
• knows how to get out of this league
• Has had experience dealing with crappy owners

that berg should be given sometime to get his own team together ?

You're not alone no

[thenodrog]

I'm not going to discuss West Hams manager, its not relevant to this discussion, but what I will say is that I backed Allardyce for far more than 9 games, best man for the job at that time.

And the holocaust never happened, Lord Lucan lis alive and well lives on Livesey Branch Road and sups in the Brown Cow, and Danny Murphy was once a top footballer..... and nobody that supports BRFC ever goes on Facebook!

Hey re-writing history can be fun!

[bob fleming]

The expected backroom changes at Ewood Park have now been put on hold until January,

http://www.lancashiretelegraph.co.uk/sport/football/blackburn_rovers/news/10114134.Rhodes_hoping_for_some_festive_cheer/

Harwoodstblue -

"........Six days ago

"Singh promises 'decisive action'"..........

Today.... " the expected backroom changes at Ewood Park have now been put on hold until January, "

Right Shebby,.... if you say so."

Nicely summed up. Singh, Shaw, Agnew - couldn't run a bath between 'em.

[LeChuck]

the defense is decent (I'm more inclined to believe Cryer on Scott Dann than super angry supporters)

The defence is absolutely awful. We are conceding goals from headers every single match. Nobody is taking charge back there.

Many of us pointed out Dann is a nothing defender last year, and he's continued with that this year. He's not big, he's not good in the air, he's not particuarly strong, he's not a good leader. Half the time you don't even notice he's there. In fact, half the time the opposition strikers don't notice he's there.

Givet can be good with a Samba type alongside him, but being 6 foot with no neck means he'll always be beaten in the air as well. Hanley is reasonable but not exactly built for jumping high off the ground.