[Archived] Henning Berg - Rovers Manager

[John]

James Ducker of The Times reporting Berg has 3 games to save his job - Xmas period will decide his future.

[thenodrog]

So can I, being attributed comments made by other posters, good job I've got skin like a rhino

When in a hole Gav..........

[Rover_Shaun]

A few slug comments here http://staging.brfcs.com/mb/index.php?app=core&module=search&do=search&fromMainBar=1

Can't see Gav in there though..not that I've looked that hard. Hell even I may be in there as I've hated Allardyce for a decade

[Athlete]

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James Ducker of The Times reporting Berg has 3 games to save his job - Xmas period will decide his future.</p></blockquote>

More press leaks? I wonder

[John]

Probably why backroom changes on hold until January....

[chaddyrovers]

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Tough question Gav. Sadly one our clubs administrators couldn't and can't answer.<br />

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I'd give Hughes a go. He's good with no money</p></blockquote>

why Hughes???

He has lost his good man management skills he had at Rovers.

think his days of football management are gone in England. think he might managing in Portugal next season.

[AndyC]

Blackburn Rovers will listen to offers for Robinson

http://www.lancashiretelegraph.co.uk/sport/football/blackburn_rovers/news/10120217.Blackburn_Rovers_will_listen_to_offers_for_Robinson/

ROVERS COLUMN: Berg needs help from the top

http://www.lancashiretelegraph.co.uk/sport/football/blackburn_rovers/news/10120245.ROVERS_COLUMN__Berg_needs_help_from_the_top/

Huge mistake in making this public now.

Robinson has always been a confidence player. When he came here, big same said he spent a few weeks, just rebuilding his confidence and it payed dividends with no fans missing friedal, because robbo was doing so well.

But its clear he hasn't been himself this season, or the 2nd part of last season either. Its a shame that henning couldn't see that he had a great nplayer that was just going through a confidence crisis. Hardly surprising given whats going on at the club.

But that aside - big brad has still got what it takes at this level for at least 2 more years, so if he's coming in jan, then it will be great news.

I would have preferred for the work to be done behind the scenes though, as it will be very disruptive to the team spirit

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Tough question Gav. Sadly one our clubs administrators couldn't and can't answer.<br />

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I'd give Hughes a go. He's good with no money</p></blockquote>

why Hughes???

He has lost his good man management skills he had at Rovers.

think his days of football management are gone in England. think he might managing in Portugal next season.

tried to change things too quickly at qpr - but the management also have to take some blame in buying 12 players in 1 transfer window.

[dr_awol]

Huge mistake in making this public now.

Robinson has always been a confidence player. When he came here, big same said he spent a few weeks, just rebuilding his confidence and it payed dividends with no fans missing friedal, because robbo was doing so well.

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got a feeling we will not see him in rovers shirt again.

[Gav]

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Tough question Gav. Sadly one our clubs administrators couldn't and can't answer.<br />

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I'd give Hughes a go. He's good with no money</p></blockquote>

why Hughes???

He has lost his good man management skills he had at Rovers.

think his days of football management are gone in England. think he might managing in Portugal next season.

Come on Chaddy. we're a championship club sinking towards league 1, if Hughes came here I'd name a bleedin stand after him I'd be that grateful!

[thenodrog]

You did call Allardyce a Fat Slug on a number of occasions and you did celebrate quite exuberantly on here when he was sacked. I remember quoting it back to you after it had all gone tits up (as many predicted).

Slug was in fact a term originally coined by Tris* ("prehistoric gum chewing slug") and adapted by many and perhaps most frequently by Abbey to "Big Fat Bloton slug or similar". "Loathsome" and "Lardarse" etc were also less than flattering terms used by some of the less enlightened keyboard warriors on here... cue messrs gumboots and waggy shuffling uncomfortably in their seats. Sadly for the club they've been bloody well enlightened beyond belief now! Whether Gav adopted 'Slug' too or not I cannot say but plenty others did. I shouldn't at all be suprised to find that they are all fully paid up members of the Flat Earth Society and will surely be disposed these days to denying the holocaust.

*Strange one that. Tris is very level headed and a clear thinker and not at all 'Blackburnendish' and I still don't know what he was thinking of. My best guess is that being closely connected to the management at BRFC he allowed Allardyce's personality (Sam not being the nicest person by all accounts) to tinge his judgement. Personally I don't care a fig about popularity contests .... I just want the best manager most suited to our club in the situation we were in. Once Hughes had his head turned Sam was that man. I don't think even the staunchest and most illogical Sam Hater can argue with that now.

[Rover_Shaun]

Tbf Fat Slug predates Allardyces time at Ewood

[AndyC]

A few slug comments here http://staging.brfcs.com/mb/index.php?app=core&module=search&do=search&fromMainBar=1

Can't see Gav in there though..not that I've looked that hard. Hell even I may be in there as I've hated Allardyce for a decade

not gavs style to get personal. he just didn't like his football.

although if i remember rightly - it was only towards the end of sams reign where things seemed to get a lot worse. the memorable passing back on the halfway line when we should have been pushing for a 3rd goal was the clincher!

[John]

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not gavs style to get personal. he just didn't like his football.<br />

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although if i remember rightly - it was only towards the end of sams reign where things seemed to get a lot worse. the memorable passing back on the halfway line when we should have been pushing for a 3rd goal was the clincher!</p></blockquote>

Yeah things were getting a lot worse - the league was tight at that stage but we were 4 points off 5th spot in the league - heading for oblivion.....

[AndyC]

That was in fact a term originally coined by Tris*.

where the hell is tris? not heard from him on here for ages!

[martonrover]

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Without PL money or significant gates, we can't afford the likes of Robinson (much as it pains me).<br />

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We are going to have to cut our cloth accordingly.<br />

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Those people calling for Berg's head, and even worse suggesting he's worse than Kean, just remember. We are now picking up the pieces of Kean's tenure. Life as a lower-to-mid Championship club. It's going to be hard for a few to swallow but it was all over after relegation.<br />

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Just imagine where we will be when we are picking up the pieces at the end of Venkys' tenure. We won't even be able to afford Berg's wages!</p></blockquote>

I'm not calling for his head but he's been crap so far.

Appears to have the motivational powers of a wet weekend, late / poor substitutions and stands there looking lost.

Some of this is probably due to Singh's influence but Henning came into this with his eyes open.

[thenodrog]

I hope this is part of the squad rebuilding that rovers desperately need come January

Robinson isn't being moved on cos of his ability or his temperament imo. He is surely being moved on because of either his salary or his agent's wishes. It's a business decision and it stacks up.. His salary will be massive (and lets face it we shouldn't find it difficult to replace him ability wise) and from his agents point of view unless he is playing in the Prem his next contract offer from whoever will be a massive drop.

I expect most decisions to be made for the same reasons now that the mistakes of the Venkymob have doomed us to this division..... or lower.

[Gav]

That was in fact a term originally coined by Tris*. Whether Gav adopted it or not I cannot say, but plenty others did. I shouldn't at all be suprised to find that they are all fully paid up members of the Flat Earth Society and will surely be disposed these days to denying the holocaust.

*Strange one that. Tris is very level headed and a clear thinker and not at all 'Blackburnendish' and I still don't know what he was thinking of. My best guess is that being closely connected to the management at BRFC he allowed Allardyce's personality (Sam not being the nicest person by all accounts) to tinge his judgement. Personally I don't care a fig about popularity contests .... I just want the best manager most suited to our club in the situation we were in. Once Hughes had his head turned Sam was that man. I don't think even the staunchest and most illogical Sam Hater can argue with that.

You of all people don't want to go down that route gordon

where the hell is tris? not heard from him on here for ages!

He's doing ok Andy, saw him a few weeks back, think he got sick of the site TBH and who can blame him.

[chaddyrovers]

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Come on Chaddy. we're a championship club sinking towards league 1, if Hughes came here I'd name a bleedin stand after him I'd be that grateful!</p></blockquote>

I wouldnt want Hughes anywhere near Rovers. spend millions at Qpr and couldnt even get them out of bottom 3.

Everybody thinks Hughes come in then everything will go right. IT WONT!!!

Rovers need to stand by Berg at the moment and see whether he can turn it round.

i think Berg will turn it round and get us challenging for Playoffs shortly.

[martonrover]

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<blockquote class='ipsBlockquote'data-author="GAV" data-cid="1350652" data-time="1356000518"><p><br />

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Come on Chaddy. we're a championship club sinking towards league 1, if Hughes came here I'd name a bleedin stand after him I'd be that grateful!</p></blockquote><br />

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I wouldnt want Hughes anywhere near Rovers. spend millions at Qpr and couldnt even get them out of bottom 3. <br />

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Everybody thinks Hughes come in then everything will go right. IT WONT!!! <br />

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Rovers need to stand by Berg at the moment and see whether he can turn it round. <br />

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i think Berg will turn it round and get us challenging for Playoffs shortly.</p></blockquote>

QPR aside, Hughes has a proven track record.

Berg does not.

It amazes me that people don't want him because last time he left us ( having done a great job ) to move to a bigger club.

If he ever comes back and does the same again we'll be back in the Prem and in a healthy position.

[thenodrog]

not gavs style to get personal. he just didn't like his football.

although if i remember rightly - it was only towards the end of sams reign where things seemed to get a lot worse. the memorable passing back on the halfway line when we should have been pushing for a 3rd 4th goal was the clincher!

I've corrected it for you as you obviously don't remember it correctly do you andyc?

imo it could only have been the clincher for players of Championship Manager or the older devotees of Roy of the Rovers. For those in the real world keeping possession for the last 5 mins at 3-0 up against a club around us in the Prem was a more than acceptable result. And especially coming on the back of a whupping at OT the week before. Personally I'd take it every week of the season and especially the last half dozen matches although obviously it's not good enough for some.

Allardyce was sacked after the next match (Bolton away) which we should have won comfortably on the balance of play but we were undone by Phil Jones's inexperience. If we had won we'd have been in 7th place in December. I've a feeling that history will record that crowd dissent as the beginning of the end for BRFC so I'm glad you're pleased to be part of it..

[Stuart]

I really can't understand those who think Mark Hughes would be a bad appointment.

Hellooo. We are now a CHAMPIONSHIP club. Under normal owners Hughes would be able to get rid of the dross and bring in some quality Championship level players. People who would look up to him and believe in his methods. The problem Hughes has had is getting overpaid prima donnas to buy into his ethos. Remember Robinho? Where is he now - not Man City!

It's a moot point anyway - Hughes wouldn't come.

Because, the trouble is, our problem isn't the manager, it's the owners and the board. I'm not one calling for Berg's head for the same reason. We'll just replace him with someone else - probably even more inexperienced / cheap. There seems to be a culture issue at the heart of this in that our "rich kid" Indian owners will not be advised told what to do by anyone. They think we should be grateful that they are there.

I feel this is 100% the reason that Kean stayed in a job and also why he will be on record as our most hated manager. Not just because of results or even the way he got the job, but the continual public backing he gave the owners and, in at the same time, the patronising contempt with which he treated the fans.

"Good times ahead";

"I've seen their plans";

"Champions League in 3-4 years"

"What we are trying to do here";

"We have to take two steps backward to take a giant step forward";

(and other guff).

Berg is almost certainly a gentleman who will try to do things the right way. He will stick to talking about football rather than feeding us bullshit.

But calling Mark Hughes "damaged goods" is quite simply sour grapes, because those saying it know he won't come either.

[jim mk2]

I've corrected it for you as you obviously don't remember it correctly do you andyc?

imo it could only have been the clincher for players of Championship Manager or the older devotees of Roy of the Rovers. For those in the real world keeping possession for the last 5 mins at 3-0 up against a club around us in the Prem was a more than acceptable result. And especially coming on the back of a whupping at OT the week before. Allardyce was sacked after the next match (Bolton away) which we should have won but were undone by Phil Jones's inexperience. If we had won we'd have been in 7th place in December. I've a feeling that history will record that as the beginning of the end for BRFC so I'm glad you're pleased to be part of it..

I agree with all of this and good to see your love-in with Sam is continuing. But you do know he's not coming back don't you ?

[47er]

He's doing ok Andy, saw him a few weeks back, think he got sick of the site TBH and who can blame him.

Gav------tell him he can always put you on ignore!

[thenodrog]

I really can't understand those who think Mark Hughes would be a bad appointment.

Hellooo. We are now a CHAMPIONSHIP club. Under normal owners Hughes would be able to get rid of the dross and bring in some quality Championship level players. People who would look up to him and believe in his methods. The problem Hughes has had is getting overpaid prima donnas to buy into his ethos. Remember Robinho? Where is he now - not Man City!

Hughes didn't buy Robinho. That was an introductory 'present' from an interfering chairman (the odious Gary Cooke) who had an over inflated opinion of himself and a blurred line over his job description. Ring any bells?

I agree with all of this and good to see your love-in with Sam is continuing. But you do know he's not coming back don't you ?

Confirmed by my last sentence if you can be bothered to read that far. Not a love in with Sam just keeping things accurate in the face of many who appear to be wanting to rewrite history. Any love in with a previous manager is with Mark Hughes.. the Goose that truly laid the Golden Egg who by all accounts was shoved toward the exit door by John Williams. He didn't just punch well over his weight but he made us lots of money to boot..... an ability that I have much respect for.

btw isn't that a point I made toward you recently?

[Stuart]

I've corrected it for you as you obviously don't remember it rightly do you andy?

imo it could only have been the clincher for players of Championship Manager or the older devotees of Roy of the Rovers. For those in the real world keeping possession for the last 5 mins at 3-0 up against a club around us in the Prem was a more than acceptable result. And especially coming on the back of a whupping at OT the week before. Allardyce was sacked after the next match (Bolton away) which we should have won but were undone by Phil Jones's inexperience. If we had won we'd have been in 7th place in December. I've a feeling that history will record that as the beginning of the end for BRFC so I'm glad you're pleased to be part of it..

It's all relative Theno. At the time, feelings were high as a result of the 7-1 defeat against United as you point out.

I'm not going to be a hypocrite, I very often found myself bored stiff during Allardyce games - but that was balanced by the great feeling of victory walking up Bolton Rd afterwards.

I accepted the boredom because I knew Allardyce was the right man for the club at the time. There were many debates at the time though about people forgetting why they enjoyed football in the first place!

Saying that, one has to think his time was up before the signature ink was wet on the purchase contract. I don't think you're so naive as to believe that "fan power" had ANYTHING to do with Allardyce's sacking - not considering how fans feelings have been ignored at EVERY juncture since Venkys took over.

Hindsight works in more than one way, you know.

But please carrying on enjoying baiting people every 3 months or so on your version...

Hughes didn't buy Robinho. That was an introductory 'present' from an interfering chairman (the odious Gary Cooke) who had an over inflated opinion of himself and a blurred line over his job description. Ring any bells?

I didn't say Hughes bought him. But it was Robinho who was said to be the chief rabble-rouser in the background. (Did you miss the point that I was having a pop at Robinho and not Hughes, btw?)