[Archived] Henning Berg - Rovers Manager

[dr_awol]

Without being racist here, if I see another bloody Asian at our club I will puke, they have done enough damage whether they be Indian, Malaysian or anywhere else!!

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not really sure you can say something like that without sounding like it.

Judan Ali - he was invited as part of a work experience what the problem with that ?

[greco]

how does bergs stats compare to keans´s and black´s.? Only talking championship games.

Would it be fair to claim, that they all managed under the same circumstances.?

[Stuart]

Without being racist here, if I see another bloody Asian at our club I will puke, they have done enough damage whether they be Indian, Malaysian or anywhere else!!

To be honest Kelbo, I think that ship has sailed too.

They haven't built the club towards their vision of the future, they've listened to people who had their own interests at heart and their pride continues to prevent them admitting they've made mistakes.

Their final chance to claw back any goodwill from fans disappeared with they (didn't) sack Kean and made a pig's ear of replacing him.

Right now we are between a rock and a hard place - Venkys may as well put us into adminstration now and put us out of our misery.

[T.J.Newton]

how does bergs stats compare to keans´s and black´s.? Only talking championship games.

Would it be fair to claim, that they all managed under the same circumstances.?

Kean played a big part in creating a lot of the "circumstances", Black was just playing it safe and trying not to drop to many points, I don't think Berg realised exactly the extent of what he was getting into(ie, squad only looks good on paper, petty power struggles amongst the board, almost impressively stubborn/arrogant owners that are incapable of learning from there mistakes and have their heads buried in the sand back in Pune).

[greco]

Kean played a big part in creating a lot of the "circumstances", Black was just playing it safe and trying not to drop to many points, I don't think Berg realised exactly the extent of what he was getting into(ie, squad only looks good on paper, petty power struggles amongst the board, almost impressively stubborn/arrogant owners that are incapable of learning from there mistakes and have their heads buried in the sand back in Pune).

hardly, you arent really answering the questions. Is it fair to claim, that kean, black and berg during this season, have managed under the same circumstances. Or atleast as closte to the same circumstances as possible.?

I cant see any change regarding the circumstances when we go from kean to black and berg. So would it not be fair, to compare their results.?

[T.J.Newton]

hardly, you arent really answering the questions. Is it fair to claim, that kean, black and berg during this season, have managed under the same circumstances. Or atleast as closte to the same circumstances as possible.?

I cant see any change in the circumstance from kean to black and berg. So would it not be fair, to compare their results.?

ok!

No and no

(id explain further but I cant be bothered any more, I get the sense you're only interested in your own opinion really and just want to hear somebody agree with you).

[AndyC]

I've corrected it for you as you obviously don't remember it correctly do you andyc?

imo it could only have been the clincher for players of Championship Manager or the older devotees of Roy of the Rovers. For those in the real world keeping possession for the last 5 mins at 3-0 up against a club around us in the Prem was a more than acceptable result. And especially coming on the back of a whupping at OT the week before. Personally I'd take it every week of the season and especially the last half dozen matches although obviously it's not good enough for some.

Allardyce was sacked after the next match (Bolton away) which we should have won comfortably on the balance of play but we were undone by Phil Jones's inexperience. If we had won we'd have been in 7th place in December. I've a feeling that history will record that crowd dissent as the beginning of the end for BRFC so I'm glad you're pleased to be part of it..

pleased i was part of what exactly?

i remember the game and remember listening to the crowd boo a bit, but if you can find a single post where I called for sam to go, or indeed even suggested it - I'll buy you a new golf club! I have always been one of his biggest supporters and wished he was still here!

I'm pretty certain fan power and the booing (as well as his salary) was used by you-know-who to influence the venkymob into sacking him. Do you doubt this?

i doubt it.

no way sam was part of a certain agents masterplan for making an obscene amount of money out of the venkys.

he needed a patsy to say yes to any signing he wanted to make.

sam would have bought in his own players

[Lancs Rover]

Any similarities to persons living or dead in the following are merely coincidental:

A "Hi. I'm Managing Director of 'A' Company. Pleased to meet you."

B "How do you do? 'A' Company? Aren't you one of the main sponsors of Blackburn Rovers? Former Premier League Champions?"

A "Yes. That's us."

B "How are they doing at the moment? I don't get time to follow football too closely."

A "Well..."

B "Wait a minute. Didn't I read something in one of the national newspapers recently? Something about the manager? That was it. At a Christmas party? Michael Jackson springs to mind somehow. Erm. Oh well. Never mind. Which division are they in at the moment?"

A "Erm."

Embarrassed silence.

B "Oh. Erm. Right. Well. I do hear the manager is a legend at the club. Must be great. Associations and all that. Where did he manage before he came back to Ewood?"

All goes quiet. Then the sudden sound of a door being slammed hard. Footsteps. Wheel spin...

Ooops.

B (Puzzled) "Was it something I said?"

To be continued.

[thenodrog]

Absolutel bunkum gordon, Kean stabbed him in the back, thats the reason for his dismisal and probably his wages as you say.

With what if it wasn't the things I mentioned? Surely Anderson (not Kean... I doubt then Indians were even aware of Coco's existence at that point) would have drawn their attention to Allardyces hefty salary and fan unrest. Apart from the MU result there was little else to put in front of them was there? We'd won 4 games out of 7 in November and were sitting half way in the Prem.

Please stop trotting out criticisms without thinking them through Gav.

[thenodrog]

The attracting asian fans thing could have worked with Venkys I think. But you need success to go along with it. If they'd kept everything the same, maybe put in £5m a year investment and let Allardyce nudge us towards Europe, that would have been enough success I think to swell our asian fanbase. Plus the general mood around the club would have been a positive, happy one, far more encouraging to potential new fans than the acrimony and occasionally intimdating one we have at the moment. So simple and easily within reach, and so needlessly thrown away.

Do you think the town's immigrant population being majority muslim would care a fig about supporting a team belonging to a bunch of Hindu's? They are more racist to each other than the BNP could ever hope to be.

[greco]

ok!

No and no

(id explain further but I cant be bothered any more, I get the sense you're only interested in your own opinion really and just want to hear somebody agree with you).

Imo they have had, what i would call almost identical circumstances, so my opinion is, that it´s fair to compare them. So far so good, but...

in regards to the psychoanalysis attempt, it´s back to watching dr phil, your attemtpt definetly failed, and im guessing you must have missed a season or two.

i wasnt looking for anyone to agree with me, is that why you post here.? I was just wondering if others would agree og disagree, as it might give me a different perspective, but i guess that aint coming from you.

[greco]

Do you think the town's immigrant population being majority muslim would care a fig about supporting a team belonging to a bunch of Hindu's? They are more racist to each other than the BNP could ever hope to be.

bang on.

pakistani´s supporting indian´s, im guessing that wont happen for quite a while.

[USABlue]

<blockquote class='ipsBlockquote'data-author="Blue and White Army" data-cid="1350636" data-time="1355998892"><p>

Tough question Gav. Sadly one our clubs administrators couldn't and can't answer.<br />

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I'd give Hughes a go. He's good with no money</p></blockquote>

why Hughes???

He has lost his good man management skills he had at Rovers.

think his days of football management are gone in England. think he might managing in Portugal next season.

He could manage in Portugal right here in Blackburn

So he has been a huge success this season ? He has looked over weight - which irrespective of the fitness coach is very poor for an experienced keeper like Robinson.

At the end of the day what do you do with a keeper obviously in his comfort zone ? Berg took the option to drop him - a huge gamble which actually didn't have a baring on the result at Blackpool.

I think most of us could have guessed that one when the assistant decision was delayed until January.

It's no coincidence that every shot Cardiff put in was a low one. Seems clear to me they had been schooled on doing that cos Robbo can't get down anymore.

[Gav]

<blockquote class='ipsBlockquote'data-author="thenodrog" data-cid="1350781" data-time="1356027510"><p>

With what if it wasn't the things I mentioned? Surely Anderson (not Kean... I doubt then Indians were even aware of Coco's existence at that point) would have drawn their attention to Allardyces hefty salary and fan unrest. Apart from the MU result there was little else to put in front of them was there? We'd won 4 games out of 7 in November and were sitting half way in the Prem. <br />

Please stop trotting out criticisms without thinking them through Gav.</p></blockquote>

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I thought I'd deal in facts Gordon, we all know Kean stuck the knife in Allardyces back because he admitted it, the rest is conjecture.

[Salgado Is A Hero]

History shows many many clubs that have done so and faltered hugely. Many never got back, some so called big teams at that too, way bigger in terms of support than we could even dream about.

But how many of them had the highest wage-bill in the league and spent 8 million on one player? We only lost about 5 players of note, and kept 2 of our best 5 imo in Martin Olsson and Givet.

James Ducker of The Times reporting Berg has 3 games to save his job - Xmas period will decide his future.

Brighton at home, Boro away, Barnsley away......2 pretty hard games against promotion chasers and then Barnsley who are in the relegation zone and haven't won in 11 games.

I agree with all of this and good to see your love-in with Sam is continuing. But you do know he's not coming back don't you ?

Practice what you preach Jim.

how does bergs stats compare to keans´s and black´s.? Only talking championship games.

Would it be fair to claim, that they all managed under the same circumstances.?

Kean - Played 7, Won 4, Drew 2, Lost 1, Scored 15, Conceded 11, Win Ratio 57%, 2 Points Per Game.

Black - Played 6, Won 2, Drew 3, Lost 1, Scored 4, Conceded 3, Win Ratio 33%, 1.5 PPG.

Berg - Played 9, Won 1, Drew 3, Lost 5, Scored 10, Conceded 17, Win Ratio 11%, 0.6 PPG.

I don't think the Palace game counts though to be fair.

But there are a lot of variables.

We were new to the division so teams didn't know how we would play.....sounds like they learnt to close down Murphy quickly and put more than one man on Rochina.

Other teams usually get stronger after a few games when the new signings gel and/or players get used to the new manager's tactics.

Nuno Gomes has apparently been injured for a lot of Black and Berg's reign.

We beat Leicester before they started getting results whereas since we've come up against form teams in Palace, H'field, Millwall and Cardiff.

Then again, Kean didn't have Rhodes until Leeds (4th game) or Olsson until Bristol City (5th game).

I watched our game against Leicester, and it's probably a fair assessment that we rode our luck.....then getting 39% possession at home to Barnsley, and them being in control of the game by the sounds of it, yet winning 2-1.

So people said we were just lucky to be near the top of the league.....but you could just argue it was because of poor finishing by the opposition .....we had Rhodes and Nuno Gomes, they had David Nugent and Marlon Harewood.

We came up against good strikers against Boro and lost......I'm sure under Kean, Cardiff and Palace would have beaten us as well.........but what about the rest? Would we have continued to "ride our luck" due to the poor final ball and finishing ability that this league has in abundance? There's a good chance we would have.

This league is poor on the whole, tighten up the defence and give it to Rhodes, Gomes, Rochina or Vukcevic and I think we would win a lot of games.......but we're still not good enough defensively and the goals have dried up.

I think the next 3 games is enough time to see if Berg has enough about him......he might walk himself if we don't start winning.

[Rover_Shaun]

It just goes to show how diabolically Berg is doing when Kean is being held up as a benchmark.

Oh deary deary me Henning

[Ralfinho]

I've just had word a certain manager and agent are en route to Zurich to meet with Venkys. Can't say anything else on this yet

[Rover_Shaun]

Is this the one grain of sand that hits the target Ralf?

[Ralfinho]

All I can say is wait and see

[Rover_Shaun]

Only pulling your leg. No doubt one of your detractors will pipe up with the same but in seriousness

Give us a clue to the agents name?

[Torgeir]

I've just had word a certain manager and agent are en route to Zurich to meet with Venkys. Can't say anything else on this yet

You really think Hughes is that desperate?

[Ralfinho]

<blockquote class='ipsBlockquote'data-author="Torgeir" data-cid="1350852" data-time="1356043166"><p>

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You really think Hughes is that desperate?</p></blockquote>

Who said anything about Hughes?

[Stuart]

Is this going to be Ollie-gate MkII?

Ok, I'm game - must be the whiskey.

Ole Gunnar

Sparky

Di Matteo

Coyle

Kean

Mourinho

Ok, I'm done.

[Rover_Shaun]

Sven Gordon hasn't been mentioned for ages

[Reedy You're A Star]

With who his agent is, would anyone take Owen Coyle now if Berg was fired / resigned?