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We are in the division below though so even if the replacements aren't as good then we should still factor in that.

It's not been enough time but after the next few weeks, if we don't improve then that is down to Berg imo....along with recognising working under Venky's/Shebby can't be easy.

Opposition managers and pundits have been quick to point out that our squad has sufficient quality in it and the bottom half in the league isn't acceptable.....Berg will know that better than anyone.

We'll see what Boxing Day brings......last year, we defied expectations and picked up 4 unlikely points in 2 games.....can't see it at the moment as Boro have a very good team but I couldn't see us beating Utd at Old Trafford either.

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This is crapola, Kean gets two years to dismantle our team Berg gets a handful of games to put it right and IF he is sacked you can bet the new one won't be any better. We had our chance of better but did not want it at the time. Baffoons the lot of em they should stick to cricket and chickens

+1.

Whether he was the best choice or not, he's the manager so let's back him.

If anyone needs sacking its Agnew, Shaw and Singh.

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Berg tried to quit says sportnw.co.uk

Might be a bit more clearer now as to why I posted last week that I didn't think he would make the Brighton match.

Also, as I saw for myself, In Stanley House, post Blackpool match, he cut a very lonely, dispirited figure.

I can't see the agony being prolonged much longer for poor Berg.

Anyhow, duty calls, have a good day all.

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To help you with the term dismantle, it means take to pieces. There is still a core of seasoned pros with proven quality and premiership experience, not too difficult is it?

No I don't know those results wouldn't have continued. Kean was a poor manager but I said at the time how unlikely it is to get lucky over a period as long as 7 games. Kean was doing certain things that allowed us to get lucky, like maximising the Gomes-Rhodes partnership to outscore opposition teams that created more chances.

You don't go from 2nd to 17th on the basis of your luck running out, its a completely laughable argument. Especially if you factor in Black's spell and the fact such a disastrous plummet down the league that it didn't happen to him. Berg is a woeful manager, his time at Lillestrom proved it and he's proving it now. Nothing about the team currently works. And at no point of him being interviewed, him accepting the job or him doing the job was it even hinted that he has time. He doesn't have time because time beyond May will cost us about £40m. He said he could meet the challenge, and he blatantly can't.

I guess your version of core and mine differ. I have no doubt in my mind that had Kean remained we would be in a similar or worse position. Dingles would still be celebrating their first win over us in decades. Clearly BErg has not shown anything yet to make the doubters change their minds. With the exception of a good spell at Leeds we played crap throughout those 7 games. All of this is neither here nor there in the big picture though is it? Bergs not getting it done, Steve Kean would not have either.

Might be a bit more clearer now as to why I posted last week that I didn't think he would make the Brighton match.

Also, as I saw for myself, In Stanley House, post Blackpool match, he cut a very lonely, dispirited figure.

I can't see the agony being prolonged much longer for poor Berg.

Anyhow, duty calls, have a good day all.

Big sigh of relief for you then. Don't break your arm patting yourself on the back now. BTW Merry Xmas.

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Berg is @#/?, anyone who replaced him would be @#/?, the team is @#/?, the backroom staff are @#/?, the boardroom is full of @#/?, the owners are @#/?. Everyone and everything is @#/?.

Look, just bin the Leonard Cohen cds ok,

Merry Xmas

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Berg is @#/?, anyone who replaced him would be @#/?, the team is @#/?, the backroom staff are @#/?, the boardroom is full of @#/?, the owners are @#/?. Everyone and everything is @#/?.

And... a paaaartri-idge in a kean treeeeee...

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No one can stop you resigning. If you quit, you quit. The story's nonsense.

Even if we accept that we lucked out in Kean's first seven games, there's still some gap between his win percentage and Berg's appalling 11.11%. but Kean had to leave for non-footballing reasons. The man was a loathsome individual who'd burnt every bridge with the fans and played an active role in dismantling the foundations of the club.

Was Eric Black the middle ground? I don't think even the blindest supporters can argue that Berg's getting the best out of this side. Yes, the team's imbalanced, but there's no way this squad should be looking at a relegation battle - which is where our current vein of form is taking us. An experienced pro would've came in, made us hard to beat first and foremost, and pushed on from there. Things are getting progressively worse under Berg. We're leaking more goals and not scoring enough. My main concern (and one I expressed when Berg got the gig) is whether he's actually being allowed to get on with the job at hand, or is Shebby sticking his nose where it's not wanted? But if that was the case, then I would expect Berg to have walked already. Tbh, results have been unacceptable and it's hard to see how any of the other candidates could've done any worse so far.

But as adsfortheblues so eloquently put it: the club is in the brown stuff. With all due respect to Henning, someone like him should never have been in the running for the job, let alone appointed. It just goes to show how far we've fallen when people like Paul Agnew & Shebby Singh are overseeing the club's future.

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My main concern (and one I expressed when Berg got the gig) is whether he's actually being allowed to get on with the job at hand, or is Shebby sticking his nose where it's not wanted?

From recent interviews I think it's obvious Singh is getting involved in areas he should be nowhere near (tactics, team selection). I'm very disappointed that Henning has allowed this to happen and my opinion of him has changed a lot as a result. I thought he'd be his own man and lay down the law, but his allowance of Shebby's nonsense suggests he's just another puppet. It's sad that he's allowing them to use him in this way - he must have been desperate to manage us, whether out of loyalty or because he saw it as too good an opportunity to pass up is open to debate.

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From recent interviews I think it's obvious Singh is getting involved in areas he should be nowhere near (tactics, team selection). I'm very disappointed that Henning has allowed this to happen and my opinion of him has changed a lot as a result. I thought he'd be his own man and lay down the law, but his allowance of Shebby's nonsense suggests he's just another puppet. It's sad that he's allowing them to use him in this way - he must have been desperate to manage us, whether out of loyalty or because he saw it as too good an opportunity to pass up is open to debate.

Selection and tactics are 100% Berg. He has spoken personally with the owners asking to clarify Shebby's remit and they've told him that Shebby can 'suggest but not insist'. The only time Shebby will have any real influence over the team will be during the transfer windows when he can throw weight behind certain loans/sales/purchases.

It is true that Shebby and Berg are bumping heads a little but the owners have more or less told them both to act like grown-ups and get on with their jobs.

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Well that's me reassured. Thanks MG!

:rolleyes:

I understand your scepticism. And as usual I'll just point out that any info I pass along is just gossip and hearsay and may not be complete.

But even if only a little of it is accurate then you're still slightly wiser to what's going on behind the scenes than before my post. ;)

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Selection and tactics are 100% Berg. He has spoken personally with the owners asking to clarify Shebby's remit and they've told him that Shebby can 'suggest but not insist'. The only time Shebby will have any real influence over the team will be during the transfer windows when he can throw weight behind certain loans/sales/purchases.

It is true that Shebby and Berg are bumping heads a little but the owners have more or less told them both to act like grown-ups and get on with their jobs.

Shebby having the ability to "suggest but not insist" is still overstepping the mark, IMO. If Berg declines Sheeby's 'suggestions' is it not human nature that Shebby might extract some payback come the transfer window, which is apparently where his power really is? And what message does it send to staff and players when Shebby's prancing around Brockhall making 'suggestions' to the manager? Most managers would tell him where he can stick it in no uncertain terms.

Anything less gives rise to the appearance that the manager is answerable to Shebby, which is the exact wrong message to send to a collection of young, brainless, testosterone laden athletes. They needs a firm, unwavering hand and Venkys chosen management style undermines that and doubtless adversely impacts team performances. They're warriors and need a king, not a sewing circle or board room.

And as to telling Berg to act like an adult, that's an insult. So far as I can see, he's the only adult in the club.

I understand your scepticism. And as usual I'll just point out that any info I pass along is just gossip and hearsay and may not be complete.

But even if only a little of it is accurate then you're still slightly wiser to what's going on behind the scenes than before my post. ;)

Which is true. So thank you for your post. It's appreciated.

And Merry Christmas. :xmas:

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Bumping heads is an understatement.

What the heck Shebby the pundit thinks he can achieve with his punditry on Berg's team tomorrow is beyond me.

As for Shebby being anywhere near the transfer decisions. ..

we dont know what the hell is going on behind the scenes, but how on earth do you try to resign twice, without really resigning.? does not maky any sense.

They might have clashed heads, but if berg REALLY WANTED TO RESIGN, then he would been out of the door. Exactly like topman pointed out in his post.

Shebby having the ability to "suggest but not insist" is still overstepping the mark, IMO. If Berg declines Sheeby's 'suggestions' is it not human nature that Shebby might extract some payback come the transfer window, which is apparently where his power really is? And what message does it send to staff and players when Shebby's prancing around Brockhall making 'suggestions' to the manager? Most managers would tell him where he can stick it in no uncertain terms.

Anything less gives rise to the appearance that the manager is answerable to Shebby, which is the exact wrong message to send to a collection of young, brainless, testosterone laden athletes. They needs a firm, unwavering hand and Venkys chosen management style undermines that and doubtless adversely impacts team performances. They're warriors and need a king, not a sewing circle or board room.

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excellent post steve

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we dont know what the hell is going on behind the scenes, but how on earth do you try to resign twice, without really resigning.? does not maky any sense.

They might have clashed heads, but if berg REALLY WANTED TO RESIGN, then he would been out of the door. Exactly like topman pointed out in his post.

Absolutely greco, it's more mischief making by all accounts, we should be looking for the source not looking for a story that doesn't exist.

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