[Archived] Henning Berg - Rovers Manager

[RevidgeBlue]

Revidge my old son-an attempt to be alarmist and dramtic eh???

My ''random'' numbers came from the 31 players we had registered in our match programme as at the Watford match.I had 3 players on £2m as our highest paid and 7 players on £250k pa being our lowest, and this included most of the Portugese that Shebby has adopted.It is difficult to see how that lot can come to less than £25m per annum.Then we have coaching staff, academy players and staff, manager, board of directors (senior staff), upkeep of Ewoof , Brockhall, travel it just goes on and on. Then we have the litany of compensation claims and redundancy payments so you could easily see this total costs being upwards of £40m with income being £16m parachute payments and not much else.

Lets make the assumption that we were close to break even/debt free call it what you will as at May this year.But the Samba's , Salgados. Diouf's Nzonzis, Yakubu's were against Premiership income heading up towards £40m not the £16m we currently have to work to.

Shebby changed the dynamics this Summer on this spend spend spend assault on Promotion.Venky's will have coughed up for the transfer fees for Best, Rhodes and any others that had fees attached plus instalments on Dann etc etc So that could account for say £12m which when added to the running costs/losses of around £20m will soon eat into a £40m overdraft at Bank of India.

My point was that i don't think Venkys signed up for that level of cost and to think they would have it all to do again next year is not something i think they would fund.We also have significantly less value in our playing assets than we had a year ago with probably only Rhodes being worth his money in a sale and the likes of Dann/Olsson(3)/Hanley probably worth a couple of mill on a good day.

So its a dramatically different picture to last year when we had assets and i just don't believe there will be any more in the cupboard when push comes to shove for Venkys.

I think losses at £2m a month are a virtual certainty and so we need to be very concerned- Andy Cryer is right.

Bolton are losing the same amount per annum(so its not far fetched for us to be at least the same) and have to keep going back cap in hand to that Davies guy .They owe him £135million but he is their Uncle Jack and probably won't even want it back whereas we are being hocked up against a bloody bank in India-that is vastly different.

Alarmist and dramatic Revidge old boy???? Tell me which bit i have got massively wrong and then i will get myself off to Drama school.

Kamy and Mercer seem to be on the case with the financial state-do you 2 agree with this assessment??

All very interesting and you can 'think" what you want but if the owners are prepared to cover any losses then it's more or less irrelevant. If you have any hard evidence the owners are intending leaving us in the lurch should things not go to plan on the pitch, that would be another matter entirely.

[Kelbo]

Berg has made a reasonably promising start in terms of how the team looks and given the length of time he's been here.

Of course ultimately it's no good us dominating games and playing brilliant football if we can't finish teams off at one end and keep conceding sloppy goals at the other. I think Berg is as well aware of that as anyone judging by his comments.

If the point is that we have to go up this season and we needed an experienced manager then I would say there's no guarantees in football and there's no way of saying with any real certainty that we'd be any more or less likely to go up Berg than anyone else. (Unless you're going to pick from the likes of Mourinho)

One set of players might react well to Berg and his preferred style of play and tank under Mick McCarthy and another group of players might react well to McCarthy and not Berg. So let's see what happens and give him a chance.

Thats spot on, I really do think withthe squad we have, Big Mick wouldnt have been the man, Mourinho is a different matter but he wouldnt have come here, I am impressed with Bergs start, we do need to get some wins now but to remould our team will take time, Kean destroyed it!

[philipl]

Venkys are very rich, in fact worth £650 million, and are a growing company. Rovers have helped advertise the venkys group worldwide. They are getting new business worldwide, I have read venkatesh rao mention in an interview how they got new business in vietnam, helped by their connection to blackburn rovers. So in short I do believe they will do whatever it takes to get us back into the premiership. They are very shrewd business people and I think they will stick by rovers, and offset potential losses of 10 million this season.

No idea what they are worth but they are certainly not liquid.

And they are utterly clueless business-wise; to suggest there was any rhyme or reason to what they have done at Ewood is to suggest they broke all the rules and are practically criminal.

Not found anybody who analyses the Venky's business who has the first clue where the £50m came from to meet all the cash obligations the purchase agreement on Rovers triggered in late 2010. Some suggest it was not Venky's money.

For anybody to enter into business because of Venky's custodianship of Rovers is frankly to suggest the other party has seen the village idiot walk into town and fancy their chances of a quick rip-off.

I would hate to think what would happen to Rovers if we don't go up this season. Balaji has a track record of losing patience with his toys. Mercerman's rough estimate of losses of over half a million a week are I am afraid all too real. In calculating the summer's burn, there are some pretty horrible agents' fees to be added into the sink hole (yes that old chestnut again).

Back to Berg- we have to back him all we possibly can. Henning getting Rovers promoted at the first attempt is a matter of life of death for our famous old club.

[Mike E]

On a positive note, how's the Xabi Alonso move coming along?

[TBTF]

Berg has made a reasonably promising start in terms of how the team looks and given the length of time he's been here.

Of course ultimately it's no good us dominating games and playing brilliant football if we can't finish teams off at one end and keep conceding sloppy goals at the other. I think Berg is as well aware of that as anyone judging by his comments.

It's a shame the thread got hijacked by TBTF wanting to spread panic about the finances. I wouldn't be surprised if were inurring quite heavy losses at the moment. If Venky's are prepared to live with and cover that in an attempt to get back into the Premier League tbat's their prerogative however.

If the point is that we have to go up this season and we needed an experienced manager then I would say there's no guarantees in football and there's no way of saying with any real certainty that we'd be any more or less likely to go up Berg than anyone else. (Unless you're going to pick from the likes of Mourinho)

One set of players might react well to Berg and his preferred style of play and tank under Mick McCarthy and another group of players might react well to McCarthy and not Berg. So let's see what happens and give him a chance.

Grow up Revidge and turn back to page 73 which was asking for some balance between the ultra negatives and those who think its a brave new world. I was making the point that this is a crucial season because of the financial implications of what we have taken on this summer and we need to be realistic about the task Henning faces.

Most others seem to understand the point so maybe the financial panic exists only on Revidge. Still we have no concrete evidence have we so those good old venky types must be intent on funding tens of millions of pounds of losses every year for ever more.There you go panic over!!

[tomphil]

On the subject of finances i think if things aren't looking too good promotion wise by January then rather than sign players to try to give us a push we will see cost cutting measures like last years. Mild panic might set in and a good player or two might be sold to keep the overdraft down. Hope im wrong but reality will have to set in sometime

[RevidgeBlue]

No idea what they are worth but they are certainly not liquid.

And they are utterly clueless business-wise; to suggest there was any rhyme or reason to what they have done at Ewood is to suggest they broke all the rules and are practically criminal.

Not found anybody who analyses the Venky's business who has the first clue where the £50m came from to meet all the cash obligations the purchase agreement on Rovers triggered in late 2010. Some suggest it was not Venky's money.

For anybody to enter into business because of Venky's custodianship of Rovers is frankly to suggest the other party has seen the village idiot walk into town and fancy their chances of a quick rip-off.

I would hate to think what would happen to Rovers if we don't go up this season. Balaji has a track record of losing patience with his toys. Mercerman's rough estimate of losses of over half a million a week are I am afraid all too real. In calculating the summer's burn, there are some pretty horrible agents' fees to be added into the sink hole (yes that old chestnut again).

Back to Berg- we have to back him all we possibly can. Henning getting Rovers promoted at the first attempt is a matter of life of death for our famous old club.

Yeah, you keep flogging that particular dead horse about it not being Venky's money and them not being the real owners of the Club.

However the Premier League must have been satisfied it was "their" money otherwise they wouldn't have passed the ownership test.

[philipl]

Yeah, you keep flogging that particular dead horse about it not being Venky's money and them not being the real owners of the Club.

However the Premier League must have been satisfied it was "their" money otherwise they wouldn't have passed the ownership test.

You didn't see the beads of perspiration on Richard Scudamore's brow when he met the BRFC Action group...

[RevidgeBlue]

You didn't see the beads of perspiration on Richard Scudamore's brow when he met the BRFC Action group...

I have however heard him have a heated debate on the radio with Jack Straw to the effect that just because someone makes a mess of running a Club does not automatically mean that they are not "fit and proper" for the purposes of the test. He also zaid that Venky's had passed their tests. So he didn't appear to have changed his view despite your amazingly compelling point above......

[Tyrone Shoelaces]

I have however heard him have a heated debate on the radio with Jack Straw to the effect that just because someone makes a mess of running a Club does not automatically mean that they are not "fit and proper" for the purposes of the test. He also zaid that Venky's had passed their tests. So he didn't appear to have changed his view despite your amazingly compelling point above......

If Venkies passed the tests I can't see any point in having them, they're worthless.

[Dunnfc]

Phillipl great poster normally but don't hint at the action group etc when the dossirr composed wasn't made public. Till then everyone reserves the right to exercise their opinion

[chris_h]

If Venkies passed the tests I can't see any point in having them, they're worthless.

I'd agree if the tests were to discover whether or not potential owners are shambling halfwits. However, it appears that the Fit and Proper Test exists in order to ascertain whether or not prospective owners have shady pasts or dishonourable intentions.

That only exists in Phillpl's head.

[yoda]

I'd agree if the tests were to discover whether or not potential owners are shambling halfwits. However, it appears that the Fit and Proper Test exists in order to ascertain whether or not prospective owners have shady pasts or dishonourable intentions.

That only exists in Phillpl's head.

Your way off the mark there, the tests as is, are there to cover the backsides of the FA

[USABlue]

What ever happened to ranoff?

Totally disappeared, can't say I'm sorry he was an irritating little dingle.

The scary thing I find about all this is that Steve Kean was a COACH. If there's one area you'd think he'd excel it's on the training pitch. Considering how unfit and undisciplined we've looked under his tenure, he's obviously the biggest fraud going.

My feelings are he was a LAZY coach and probably felt that, once he became boss, day to day coaching was beneath him. Not exactly a role model either that buggar must have put on 50-60lbs since he was put at the helm.

[USABlue]

You didn't see the beads of perspiration on Richard Scudamore's brow when he met the BRFC Action group...

Was there actually beads of perspiration, there may have been there may not, alegedly there were but surely if there were we are not allowed to actually say anything to that effect, least that seems to be a recurring theme on here anymore, I'm a bit sick of it all.

Do you ( not as in phillip as in everyone) suppose for a few short months at least we could all focus our energies on saving this grand old club by just getting behind them. Many of us I am sure remember the darker days, dilapidated crumbling ground, third division, 8K was a decent gate. But we loved our team, then we could only dream of what Jack gave us. Sadly I feel alot of our fans have lost touch or they were never in touch in the first place. We often, on here, sound like a bucnch of spoiled brats. Let's support the team we love with our hearts, back em get behind em. Give Berg the time and support he will need if we don't we may find we will have lost our once common love. BRFC. Unbearable to think about.

[Athlete]

I have however heard him have a heated debate on the radio with Jack Straw to the effect that just because someone makes a mess of running a Club does not automatically mean that they are not "fit and proper" for the purposes of the test. He also zaid that Venky's had passed their tests. So he didn't appear to have changed his view despite your amazingly compelling point above......

anyone can pass the fit and proper test just show them the money if if it isn't yours....lol

[DavidMailsTightPerm]

On the subject of finances i think if things aren't looking too good promotion wise by January then rather than sign players to try to give us a push we will see cost cutting measures like last years. Mild panic might set in and a good player or two might be sold to keep the overdraft down. Hope im wrong but reality will have to set in sometime

If the gates don't improve you could be right. But at the moment the impression is one of "promotion or bust" - and Reading showed what can happen in half a season.

Was there actually beads of perspiration, there may have been there may not, alegedly there were but surely if there were we are not allowed to actually say anything to that effect, least that seems to be a recurring theme on here anymore, I'm a bit sick of it all.

Do you ( not as in phillip as in everyone) suppose for a few short months at least we could all focus our energies on saving this grand old club by just getting behind them. Many of us I am sure remember the darker days, dilapidated crumbling ground, third division, 8K was a decent gate. But we loved our team, then we could only dream of what Jack gave us. Sadly I feel alot of our fans have lost touch or they were never in touch in the first place. We often, on here, sound like a bucnch of spoiled brats. Let's support the team we love with our hearts, back em get behind em. Give Berg the time and support he will need if we don't we may find we will have lost our once common love. BRFC. Unbearable to think about.

+1000

[thenodrog]

Was there actually beads of perspiration, there may have been there may not, alegedly there were but surely if there were we are not allowed to actually say anything to that effect, least that seems to be a recurring theme on here anymore, I'm a bit sick of it all.

Do you ( not as in phillip as in everyone) suppose for a few short months at least we could all focus our energies on saving this grand old club by just getting behind them. Many of us I am sure remember the darker days, dilapidated crumbling ground, third division, 8K was a decent gate. But we loved our team, then we could only dream of what Jack gave us. Sadly I feel alot of our fans have lost touch or they were never in touch in the first place. We often, on here, sound like a bucnch of spoiled brats. Let's support the team we love with our hearts, back em get behind em. Give Berg the time and support he will need if we don't we may find we will have lost our once common love. BRFC. Unbearable to think about.

If thats the way you feel USABlue then the best way of supporting the club (and it is open to anyone, anywhere) would simply to be to buy a ST. Just over £200 pa (50p per day) and you will have more than done your share and whether you go or not is completely irrelevent.

[chris_h]

If thats the way you feel USABlue then the best way of supporting the club (and it is open to anyone, anywhere) would simply to be to buy a ST. Just over £200 pa (50p per day) and you will have more than done your share and whether you go or not is completely irrelevent.

I live overseas and it would be difficult to justify to my Mrs spending that amount of money on something that I cant use. Instead of buying an ST I have bought quite a bit of Rovers gear online. Does that count?

[jim mk2]

I live overseas and it would be difficult to justify to my Mrs spending that amount of money on something that I cant use. Instead of buying an ST I have bought quite a bit of Rovers gear online. Does that count?

50p a day ? Anyone in employment has a spare 50p.

Or cut down the fags / booze / betting.

[47er]

Absolutely spot on !

A cracking post.

What about the last 8 lines though Mercerman? !!!!!!!

[AndyC]

Just read the story about Orr being loaned out to Ipswich.

Fantastic call by berg.

Not only is he slow and incapable of defending, he was a kean apologist and winds up the fans.

Good riddance.

[Mercer]

What about the last 8 lines though Mercerman? !!!!!!!

Lol !

Short lines.

Lots of 'white space'.

Less than 300 words.

Very pertinent points.

A very good and insightful read !

[chris_h]

50p a day ? Anyone in employment has a spare 50p.

Or cut down the fags / booze / betting.

Not a smoker or gambler but I do enjoy the occasional tumbler of beer. I'll ask Mrs H for the two hundred and refer her to you..

[ruggles1995]

Just read the story about Orr being loaned out to Ipswich.

Fantastic call by berg.

Not only is he slow and incapable of defending, he was a kean apologist and winds up the fans.

Good riddance.

AND dont forget a dingle! Good riddance!