[Archived] Rovers Trust

[J*B]

I think the only logical decision here is to let ABBEY reply to her.

[Guest Norbert]

Buy him a few pints and make him watch a few Steve Kean interviews first though

[47er]

I think the only logical decision here is to let ABBEY reply to her.

Translator required? Preferably "on delay"!

[Boner]

The art of diplomacy is saying "nice doggy" until you can find a rock.

The one thing Venky's have done consistently is tell people what they want to hear and then proceed to take no action.

This is an idiosyncracy of Indian culture, and one that has failed to be recognised by pretty much anyone who has dealt with them.

The trust appear to have done a good job taking the cultural differences into account when they made their approach, something I don't think can be said for Ian Battersby.

[West Yorks Rover]

Buy him a few pints and make him watch a few Steve Kean interviews first though

Do you really think, Abbey's reply would be tactful enough for a lady of such refinement ?

[ABBEY]

Buy him a few pints and make him watch a few Steve Kean interviews first though

Wouldn't need any beer ..she's seen an abbey rant first hand just as fatty bling did.

Do you really think, Abbey's reply would be tactful enough for a lady of such refinement ?

I can do posh ... Oh I say do F off one

[West Yorks Rover]

Wouldn't need any beer ..she's seen an abbey rant first hand just as fatty bling did.

I can do posh ... Oh I say do F off one

In that case I vote we send you to Pune as head of a delegation, to begin peace talks.

[chaddyrovers]

a good first step in Mrs D responding to the Rovers trust.

but a very long way to go

[Stuart]

Blackburn Rovers supporters urging club's owners to sell and end 'disastrous' three-year reign at Ewood Park

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/football/teams/blackburn-rovers/9996345/Blackburn-Rovers-supporters-urging-clubs-owners-to-sell-and-end-disastrous-three-year-reign-at-Ewood-Park.html

The timing of this story with "Desai's reply" gives the impression that the Ian's and the Trust aren't communicating very well.

Or that someone is trying to undermine the Seneca attempted talks.

Now, I wonder. Which member of the current board would be kept on if Seneca took charge...?

Hmm. I can think of at least a couple of people who would be delighted if Venkys continued to own Rovers, whose interests it would be in to rebuff any takeover bids and they aren't the kind of people to ever fall on their swords either.

Beware of Shawjans bearing gifts...

[47er]

Beat me by a minute!

[CapeTownRover]

I wouldn't trust anything or anyone to do with the venkys.

Propaganda Abbey Propaganda mate lol...

but i agree, pinch of salt and all of that good stuff. 3 years to mess it up 1st, and now they respond asking how the trust can help? How many people have tried to reach out to them, and all they did was ignore those who could have made a difference and saved them to some extent from all this embarrasment(sp)

[perthblue02]

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Beware of Shawjans bearing gifts...

and tipp-ex , with a shadow lurking over his shoulder

[chris_h]

I just got my membership pack in the post and it was a very pleasant surprise! I wasn't expecting anything at all down here in Australia, so I must say thanks and fantastic effort to all at the Rovers Trust.

Cheers!

[Clitherover]

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Beware of Shawjans bearing gifts...

and tipp-ex , with a shadow lurking over his shoulder

Yep, I'd definitely be sending them a duplicate copy of the letter if I were the trust.

I wouldn't trust Shaw as far as I could throw him, which isn't very far.

[Blackburn Ender]

To be fair, Ian Battersby is not saying anything new or that he has not said repeatedly before through the media.

We are talking regularly to Seneca, but not co-ordinating media coverage!

There is no hidden agenda behind any of this. It's simply that the media are waking up to what's wrong with Rovers.

The Trust's dialogue with the owners is between us and them alone and will be as direct and clear as we can make it.

The key is to start by getting them to understand what a supporters' trust is and why it's a good thing.

Mrs Desai asking for this information shows, if nothing else, that she's willing to think about it and read more about the Rovers Trust and supporters' trusts in general.

Small steps, but who knows where it will lead?

[perthblue02]

To be fair, Ian Battersby is not saying anything new or that he has not said repeatedly before through the media.

We are talking regularly to Seneca, but not co-ordinating media coverage!

There is no hidden agenda behind any of this. It's simply that the media are waking up to what's wrong with Rovers.

The Trust's dialogue with the owners is between us and them alone and will be as direct and clear as we can make it.

The key is to start by getting them to understand what a supporters' trust is and why it's a good thing.

Mrs Desai asking for this information shows, if nothing else, that she's willing to think about it and read more about the Rovers Trust and supporters' trusts in general.

Small steps, but who knows where it will lead?

So ,

The initial response was in writing signed by Mrs Desai?

The trust response will be sent direct to Mrs Desai and not passed on via a third party?

and finally

The Trust's dialogue with the owners is between us and them alone and will be as direct and clear as we can make it.

who is us? are the trust not it's members?

Not meaning to be argumentative but the post didn't clarify any concerns

[windymiller7]

Call me cynical but have you checked Mrs Desai's signature on the request for further information I presume it was a written response? With the further information will you be sending this direct to Mrs Desai by international recorded delivery as there will be no need for Derek or Aggers to see it first and then pass it on, will there ?

This was my first reaction too. Has it been signed in ink or crayon - I just have this vision of Deggsy sat at his desk, crayon in fist, tongue poking out of the corner of his mouth, trying his 'very bestest' to copy Mrs D's signature.

[Paul]

So ,

The initial response was in writing signed by Mrs Desai?

The trust response will be sent direct to Mrs Desai and not passed on via a third party?

and finally

The Trust's dialogue with the owners is between us and them alone and will be as direct and clear as we can make it.

who is us? are the trust not it's members?

Not meaning to be argumentative but the post didn't clarify any concerns

Whoa, steady, steady. Lets not misinterpret the words, though I can understand why when so many times, from so many sources meanings have been twisted.

The initial response from Mrs D was verbal. We have to take this at face value. To ignore it, even if it ultimately proves pointless is foolish. On this occasion it's me doing the work and I am more than happy to do so if it just helps give us a 0.1% increased chance of dialogue. It's my time and if I chose to use it this way I will.

Regarding delivery the Trust will do this in a number of ways to ensure all bases are covered. One of these will be via the club.

"The Trust's dialogue with the owners is between us and them alone and will be as direct and clear as we can make it.

who is us? are the trust not it's members?"

Yes the Trust is it's members. All this means is it's a dialogue between the Trust and Mrs Desai, no one else, a third party, is involved. We received the reply late last week, discussed what we should do with this on Saturday morning and put it out on Radio Lancashire at the first opportunity. As soon as it was raised on BRFCS I began to answer the questions raised. There will be more over the next few days but we have quite a lot on this week with regard to other matters.

The original letter from the Trust to Mrs D was emailed to all members.

Broadly, because I haven't finished writing it, the response will be to explain, with examples, how trusts operate at all levels. This is necessary step as Mrs Desai is not familiar with the concept. We have to walk before we can run

I'm not sure how more open we can be?

[Blackburn Ender]

Apologies if I was unclear.

It doesn't matter how we communicate so long as a dialogue is ongoing - in writing, verbally, through third parties, we are doing them all and it's whatever it takes.

Several members of the steering group are involved in the dialogue and the process, if that's what you meant?

Obviously, we are doing this on behalf of our members, yes, but if anything comes of it we hope it will be of benefit to the club and the wider fanbase, members of the Rovers Trust or not.

Oops! Our replies crossed there, Paul.

[BRFC95]

The initial response from Mrs D was verbal.

I'm not sure how more open we can be?

So who did she speak to? Was the message passed through Shaw? Have you got a full transcript of the message?

Lastly, was there anything in the message that hasn't yet been revealed?

[perthblue02]

No problem Paul, Blackburn Ender thanks for the responses.

As I mentioned in my post I was not trying to be argumentative but wanted to clarify concerns.

As you will know Paul I am fully behind the trust and do understand the tippy toe approach, and I have no problem with the trust's openness and integrity and aim to do things in the best interest of the club unfortunately I can not say the same regarding the clubs current directors hence the concerns

[Paul]

So who did she speak to? Was the message passed through Shaw? Have you got a full transcript of the message?

Lastly, was there anything in the message that hasn't yet been revealed?

Yes we sent the letter to the club and it was taken to India by Derek Shaw on his recent trip. It was also transmitted by email. No we don't have a full transcript of the reply - it was verbal. As I said earlier we have chosen to take this at face value, I'm preparing most of the information. It's my time, it's free, I'll use it as I wish. No other person was harmed in the preparation of this information!

There is nothing which we haven't revealed as far as I can recall. I was at the Saturday meeting when it was discussed and I might have missed something. There will be a full statement from the Trust in the very near future.

[rovers11]

This could be a very significant development. Well done to the Trust.

[Guest Norbert]

Speaking as a complete outsider who does not know any of the conversations, I think they may want to bring the Trust on board to give them more legitamacy. They probably hope to get the Trust on board, and keep the current set up largely intact. Despite my scepticism, there is no harm in taking it at face value, and provide the information.

I also hope that the Trust and the two Ians do not allow themselves to be played off against each other.

[bypass06]

Blackburn Rovers have become English football's equivalent of North Korea.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/football/teams/blackburn-rovers/9997323/Blackburn-Rovers-have-become-English-footballs-equivalent-of-North-Korea.html