[Archived] BRFC Action Group

[ABBEY]

the action group also set out to remove Venkeys (remember glens Venkeys out yellow t shirt?!!!!!)please research the archives before slagging me off in future!

WHO ARE VENKEYS?

[onlyoneDuff]

BRAG (or at least their so called leaders) are now Singh's mouthpiece...simple as...

[Tom]

I just don't get why it's all coming back to fans groups

It's much bigger than that and it really doesn't matter who backs or who lambasts whatever group neither is particularly going t help

[Ricky]

47er, wrong. I responded to a comment from mark about coaches being appointed. Mark read back further and saw what was meant by the post. Actually think I complemented him at one point, if I didn't I meant to as I've heard his piece on the radio was to the point and actually seemed to echo the concerns of fans.

I've asked a question. I made it very clear when Brag got involved last time that I didn't feel that all their members shared their concerns about Tim Sherwood, who you will recall was also named in the press release, would be such a bad choice.

I need to stress again. I'm not a member of any group. I'm just a piased off fan wondering what the @#/? is going on at the club I love. That's all it is.

[AlanK]

BRFC, BRISA, BRFCAG, BRFCS, BRAG.......what the Kean?

We wanted Kean out. Fans got to together and protested as they would at any club. I didn`t think for a second there would be a political party created from the mess. ( BRAG ). An unelected one at that. And I do not want anyone telling me they are not political. It goes hand in hand with their position. It is a minority who think they represent the majority. They do not but will not listen. At the end of the day, fans will let their voices be heard at the ground or vote with their feet and not turn up at all. I believe the latter to be the main reason Kean went. The dwindling numbers spooked the owners more than any booing or protests at the ground. BRAG played their part but its time to knock it on the head.

[Kelbo]

WHO ARE VENKEYS?

In my opinion, they are idiots of the highest order, stupid,thick and without brains!!

[mark1875]

ever thought for one minute pal that every time you and your twin appear on tv or speak on radio , our dingle neighbours are revelling in your pathetic amateurish views which drags us down to the same level as themselves!do BRFC a favour and @#/?off to and embarrass another set of fans!and take ha ha ha ha ha with you! Grade one hypocryte! Your change of heart towards Venkeys makes me puke!

Will u give it up lol?

whats my opinion on Venkys and my "change of heart" then? enlighten me oh wise one

[Athlete]

fans turning against fans this is what it's come too.................so P***** off at everything BRFC at the moment the Forest game gonna stop in the boozer ST will stay in the draw don't want any part of that shambles unless the club do a big U turn

[Neal]

Will u give it up lol?

whats my opinion on Venkys and my "change of heart" then? enlighten me oh wise one

Don't bite fella. If you believe in what you're doing still and those beliefs haven't changed then don't answer for them... It's up to people if they choose to follow or not.

Now, for the sake of this message board... Henning Berg has been sacked and we're up Keans creek without a paddle. DISCUSS.

[Tardyrover]

Where the f are panorama when you need em?

[Blue blood]

2 topics here: Brag and Berg going.

Firstly, on topic. Berg going - sad for the guy as I like him as a chap. But it clearly wasn't working out. How much of that is down to his fault and not being up to the job is hard to say (personally I think he wasn't up to it but think no one could be a success in our circus of a club.) Clearly not everyone was supporting him but results couldn't get any worse. Still his role in our downfall is minimal on the grand scale of things. So all the best for the future Henning.

As for BRAG - with no axe to grind - they are coming across as very political and very pro Shebby - in short compromised and redundant. Given the utter tripe coming out of Shebby's mouth, the widespread rumours and half admissions of his interference in matters, the utter balls up of the last appointment which Shebby was involved in and the generally shocking state that the club is in, taking all that into account and that BRAG has said nothing condemnatory towards Shebby and defend him at all costs - well to me it seems a little bit bias to say the least. Hardly neutral or independent - and not a little bit shameful.

Glenn or any BRAG member feel free to answer this and show me that you aren't bias. However I struggle to see how you can hold your position and say Shebby is not detrimental to the club given his involvement and our situation.

Anyhow, the bigger question is where next? If we appoint an experienced manager and their team - maybe the first step on the road to recovery. If not somehow we've managed to sink into an even bigger mess.

[Amo]

BRFC, BRISA, BRFCAG, BRFCS, BRAG.......what the Kean?

We wanted Kean out. Fans got to together and protested as they would at any club. I didn`t think for a second there would be a political party created from the mess. ( BRAG ). An unelected one at that. And I do not want anyone telling me they are not political. It goes hand in hand with their position. It is a minority who think they represent the majority. They do not but will not listen. At the end of the day, fans will let their voices be heard at the ground or vote with their feet and not turn up at all. I believe the latter to be the main reason Kean went. The dwindling numbers spooked the owners more than any booing or protests at the ground. BRAG played their part but its time to knock it on the head.

+1

[mark1875]

Interesting you say that. Last time I was in Blackburn, a few months ago. I heard simular comments on a bus. One comment was somebody is likely to do them (fish / mullen) in soon. I was checking out one or two pubs from the good beer guide in the area. In conversations I had, not one person had anything good to say about the action group. I was genuinely surprised by that.

Say's more about those people than it does about us to be honest mate, I remember that visit by the way and your tweeting of a public house and describing it as a rundown boozer (or something along those lines) with bad clientele, just because the group drinks in there.

Must say it says a lot about you does that, a business which has just gone under a refurbishment gets publicly ridiculed as a bad boozer on twitter? You should really think twice before playing with peoples livelihoods because you will find that business you tarnished puts a roof over peoples heads, people who are impartial to your agenda.

I couldn't care less whether BRAG see fit to issue a press release, I query why there was such a fuss when McKinlay was mentioned previously; now we have two coaches/potential managers on the brink of being appointed and no mention at all of their suitability or otherwise.

So you are saying you think a coach being appointed as a coach should create as much "fuss" as a coach being appointed as manager?? Why are they unsuitable as coaches?

Mark, what is your honest opinion of Shebby Singh?

My personal opinion is that Shebby has a genuine desire to make things better, however Do i believe he is qualified to run a football club? NO Do i believe the club needs experienced board members in key positions? Yes, Do i believe Shebby has made many mistakes? Yes.

Last season every supporter commented that the owners cannot run the club from thousands of miles away and they need somebody on the ground level, and that Steve Kean couldn't be that direct link between Blackburn and Pune, and this has all now changed due to Shebbys arrival, he is putting supporters concerns directly back to the owners and has ensured that the manager is now answerable to the board as oppose to the opposite as it was last season. Of course Shebby needs to be quiet more often and saying nothing is better than saying something, i disagree with many things he does or says and we have told him this, he needs to be more wary of that, i also think it was inappropriate for him to be doing the match commentary yesterday, completely uncalled for.

Shebby's remit is to oversee the running of the football club on behalf of the owners and this is what he must do, his door is always open, to ALL supporters, he will discuss your issues, your concerns and he will be open with people. He is the man appointed to do this job and whilst this is the case, as the secretary of a supporters group he is a point of contact to me, and i am of the opinion that if he was to leave the club now then people directly involved in the problem last season will again become more involved and that cannot happen.

I noticed a post today stating that we could have had a fall-out with Shebby due to my comment about someone (him) being made accountable. no this is not a "fall-out" he was warned at the time the importance of getting this right and that it was firmly on his shoulders, he has been told today that he needs to come out and accept that he got it wrong and that he should have listened instead of thinking he knew best, this isn't a "fall-out" because myself and the rest of the committee are always firm with Shebby on supporter issues and we don't go and see him for a laugh and a brew. Talking directly to people who have a direct line to the owners is more beneficial to screaming at people who are thousands of miles away, however getting them to listen and act in the best interest of supporters is something else and a persons ability to do this is what they should be judged upon.

[greco]

I just don't get why it's all coming back to fans groups

It's much bigger than that and it really doesn't matter who backs or who lambasts whatever group neither is particularly going t help

exactly tom-

Dont know if this request or wish can be fulfilled, but is it possible to simply create a brfcag thread and pin it.? it consumes every debate and while im making ´wishes, can you confirm or deny, if this happyclapper is either braddock or this fan forum representative.? The sheer fact that this person is still able to post, is ridiculous. I´ve been in some heated echanges myself and expect this at times when debating, but this is quite clearly a wum

[Rover_Shaun]

And there lies the reason why the toothless and non representative action group has had it's day in the sun

[roverandout]

oh for @#/? sake, can we stop talking about brag? this isnt about them, its about those keaners who own and are dismantling the club brick by brick, we need to stand together as one, venkys are the enemy not supporters,

[DE.]

Say's more about those people than it does about us to be honest mate, I remember that visit by the way and your tweeting of a public house and describing it as a rundown boozer (or something along those lines) with bad clientele, just because the group drinks in there.

Must say it says a lot about you does that, a business which has just gone under a refurbishment gets publicly ridiculed as a bad boozer on twitter? You should really think twice before playing with peoples livelihoods because you will find that business you tarnished puts a roof over peoples heads, people who are impartial to your agenda.

So you are saying you think a coach being appointed as a coach should create as much "fuss" as a coach being appointed as manager?? Why are they unsuitable as coaches?

My personal opinion is that Shebby has a genuine desire to make things better, however Do i believe he is qualified to run a football club? NO Do i believe the club needs experienced board members in key positions? Yes, Do i believe Shebby has made many mistakes? Yes.

Last season every supporter commented that the owners cannot run the club from thousands of miles away and they need somebody on the ground level, and that Steve Kean couldn't be that direct link between Blackburn and Pune, and this has all now changed due to Shebbys arrival, he is putting supporters concerns directly back to the owners and has ensured that the manager is now answerable to the board as oppose to the opposite as it was last season. Of course Shebby needs to be quiet more often and saying nothing is better than saying something, i disagree with many things he does or says and we have told him this, he needs to be more wary of that, i also think it was inappropriate for him to be doing the match commentary yesterday, completely uncalled for.

Shebby's remit is to oversee the running of the football club on behalf of the owners and this is what he must do, his door is always open, to ALL supporters, he will discuss your issues, your concerns and he will be open with people. He is the man appointed to do this job and whilst this is the case, as the secretary of a supporters group he is a point of contact to me, and i am of the opinion that if he was to leave the club now then people directly involved in the problem last season will again become more involved and that cannot happen.

I noticed a post today stating that we could have had a fall-out with Shebby due to my comment about someone (him) being made accountable. no this is not a "fall-out" he was warned at the time the importance of getting this right and that it was firmly on his shoulders, he has been told today that he needs to come out and accept that he got it wrong and that he should have listened instead of thinking he knew best, this isn't a "fall-out" because myself and the rest of the committee are always firm with Shebby on supporter issues and we don't go and see him for a laugh and a brew. Talking directly to people who have a direct line to the owners is more beneficial to screaming at people who are thousands of miles away, however getting them to listen and act in the best interest of supporters is something else and a persons ability to do this is what they should be judged upon.

How do you proceed if he appoints MacDonald and Ali, with no other manager in sight or likely to take the job? Surely it's time to realise Shebby is paying you lip service and nothing more. As the Independent so bluntly pointed out, our club is a total farce and Mr Singh is right at the centre of it.

[Sparky Marky]

Shabby wouldn't comment on camera today at ewood but his boys were chomping at the bit....I can just imagining you getting your coat on and scuttling down to ewood to try get on telly to represent your master...brag is a fookin joke...

[roversfan99]

Surely its a simple choice as this is pathetic.

Either agree with what BRAG is trying to achieve and allow them to represent your views.

If not, fair enough, ignore them as they only want to represent their members.

They are not a problem and there are massive issues at the club but BRAG doesn't have to be one, it seems to me that outsiders seem to want them to be.

[roverzee]

You take your directives from your members? Really??

Any legitimacy you ever had from your supposed 10,000 members has expired, because it was built up at a time when you sold BRAG on the express desire to expel Kean AND Venkys from the club.

One whiff of influence with the Global Advisor and suddenly you and Mark Fish have taken BRAG in the opposite direction without any right to do so.

By so openly and aggressively taking Shabby's side in the political battle at Ewood – through social media, this and other websites and even by inference in your radio and TV interviews today – you have become a major part of the problem instead of part of the solution.

Why don't you run a poll on your website to enable the 10,000 to vote on this question - "Are you happy with the BRAG Committee's decision to get into bed with Venkys and with Shebby Singh and to become so publically embroiled in the internal politics at Ewood Park on Shebby's side?"

Even better - why don't you read your own website and take note of the views of your Overseas Branch Representatives ...

Brazil - Lincoln Medeiros da Silva

I was attracted by the BRFC Action Group because of the people, the group members who also want to see the Venky’s out of Rovers

Ireland – Rory Larmer

It is well documented the problems that have occurred in Ewood Park since the Venkys regime took charge. I gave them a chance and to put it mildly the have failed. I remember talking to BRFC Action Group chairman Glen Mullan back in September when the movement began. I would never have thought fans could have such an influence

India - Prakasha Ramappa

I have been following Blackburn Rovers ever since Venky’s took over the club. In spite of the club being mismanaged & mishandled by Venky’s, there are countless numbers of fans who want to see the club shine again.

If Venky’s can introspect themselves they have not only ruined the club, their own brand also might be getting negative publicity. I support the BRFC Action Group and I urge Venky’s to ‘Just let it go where it belongs’.

Indonesia - Matteo Giuberto

my hopes for the future consist of a new manager, new owners and returning to the Premier League next season!!!!

Norway - Espen Sjetne

I’ve been very impressed with what the Action Group have done from the start, and I can’t just be quiet and watch Venky’s ruin my beloved club.

Singapore - Bernard Soh

We need owners who love the club to own the club. We need executives who understand football to manage the club.

So when I was asked to be the BRFCAG Representative for Singapore, I was naturally both excited and honoured.

Sweden - Per Lycke

My long term hope is for the club to be owned by people who actually care about the club and its supporters.

USA – Steven Bradley

I want to look at the badge and feel pride not resentment. I believe that this can only be done through Venkys leaving the club and I look forward to that day.

Zimbabwe - Steve Murebwa

What has happened to Blackburn Rovers is nothing short of disgrace. We (the fans) have been treated by the Venkys in much the same way they treat their chickens

Through the BRFC Action Group I hope to remove […] the Venkys as the owners of Blackburn Rovers Football Club and also the current board of directors.

When 2000 Rovers fans started chanting "Shebby Singh, you're a w*nker, you're a w*nker" at Blackpool you turned as white as a sheet. You and Fish don't represent anyone anymore. The fans at Blackpool were the ones giving Shebby Singh the right message - if you were doing so in your "daily phone calls" he would never speak to you again.

Chatting with the BRAG committee about how to divvy up the national media interviews does not equal "taking directives from our members".

BRAG has become a total sham - I've heard you can't even staff the walk in centre properly without help from Community Trust youth coaches sitting in to cover when they should be in the BRIC doing their proper jobs - who is picking up the tab for that?

Yeah i can now i've realised his point Ricky, sorry about that. It is farcical i agree.

Shebby had the chance to put right the mess of previous appointment, and got it wrong as you say, however in fairness he didn't make the original mess did he? and everyone makes a mistake, John Williams did and was commended for swiftly admitting it and rectifying the situation, which is what has happened here, mistake made, manager sacked with haste. I know i'll get criticised here for defending Shebby and i am not doing, i told BBC news today that i blame Shebby for the appointment, despite Derek Shaw being probably more culpable, i made my feelings on the owners clear and made it clear i did not trust anyone at the club to get this decision right and for clarity i don't and that's my stance.

However if we put pressure on Singh now and he does go, is that beneficial? where do we then go from here? the new manager goes back to dealing with the owners and flying out to Pune? cos the whole idea of them bringing in a qualified chairperson is floundered by the fact they just won't do it cos they don't realise the need.

What a pathetic ramble. You are sounding like Shebby himself. What do you have to say to the fans who signed up to BRAG to give you your soapbox but can now see right through you, Glen and the shambles which is BRFC. Answer the questions.

[RevidgeBlue]

So you are saying you think a coach being appointed as a coach should create as much "fuss" as a coach being appointed as manager?? Why are they unsuitable as coaches?

Errr.......................... because the suggestion seems to be that it will not be a coach being appointed as a coach but that one of these two coaches (possibly Macdonald) will in fact be the manager and there won't be "a proper manager" appointed at all. Even if there is a "proper manager"appointed at a later date it seems ludicrous to appoint coaches before the manager is appointed. What if he doesn't approve of said coaches?

Secondly, no-one seems to have answered the rather obvious point as to why BRAG were seemingly foaming at the mouth about the potential appointment of McKinlay, but seem relaxed about the potential appointment of a 52 year old who has never managed before and who has been out of the game for over 2 years.

(Sorry quote thingy gone a bit awry)

[Roost]

The BRFC Action Group set out with an agenda to see an incompetent manager removed from the club based on his results and ridiculous comments in the media. Please HappyForever clap, if you must make outlandish statements do a little research beforehand, as once again it make you appear to be on a bitter mission rather than wanting to engage in constructive debate.

Your first sentence is a lie.

Do some research on your own group and then come back and repost. Perhaps take at look at the tv interviews that your buddies did, or have a look at the gallery showing fans and coaches at Chorley FC.

100% Rovers 0% who??

[pk1875]

My first sentence is not a lie

I was on many of those galleries and yes the yellow t shirts clearly stated 100 % Rover 0 % Kean and Venkys. The T shirts came long after the protests started. The protests started against a manager, the owners refusal to address the problem saw them brought into the protests, and that is fact.

[yoda]

Your first sentence is a lie. Do some research on your own group and then come back and repost. Perhaps take at look at the tv interviews that your buddies did, or have a look at the gallery showing fans and coaches at Chorley FC. 100% Rovers 0% who??

My first sentence is not a lie

I was on many of those galleries and yes the yellow t shirts clearly stated 100 % Rover 0 % Kean and Venkys. The T shirts came long after the protests started. The protests started against a manager, the owners refusal to address the problem saw them brought into the protests, and that is fact.

Pathetic, the club is going down the pan and you are arguing about who's gang is bigger or better

the venkys are the problem, get your gangs to recognise that fact and mobilise instead of trying to score points of each other

[Roverall]

If it's McDonald and Ali, BRAG, what then?