[Archived] BRFC Action Group

[pk1875]

Would it make much difference who made a statement, people would simply disregard it. It's a damned if you do, damned if you don't scenario.

[Wayne Wild]

Would it make much difference who made a statement, people would simply disregard it. It's a damned if you do, damned if you don't scenario.

Would it make a difference if the club posted an official statement confirming that they will financially back the club whether we get promoted or not and underpin any losses ??

YES YES YES

There is then a clear statement of intention and not a garbled statement from an employee on a radio show !

Our Global Advisor said during a public debate on a radio show we would get one, not received. As a member I would like BRAG to back a campaign to get this very important document out to supporters. Of all the things currently happening on the field my greatest concern is for our financial future off it.

[pk1875]

I see you point Wayne I was just stating that to the whole fan base it's validity would be questioned. We will push for a statement of intention to be released as soon as possible.

[Bundesburn]

Rovers Trust has remained exceptionally professional in all our dealings with all members, non members and other supporter groups.We do not have a list of potential buyers and certainly wouldn't endorse a "punt". There will be a number of organisations that would be willing to buy BRFC and invest. BUT, the "For sale" sign must be out first to get these people to come forward. If there was any ACTION to this regard then I'm sure this would happen and quickly. A blind faith / hope that thongs will 'click' into place will not change the future.It is important that 'elected' committee members of any supporter groups act also in a professional manner. As difficult as it is at times not to react I refuse to conduct my affairs in a public spat format. I have asked various people many times not to get involved in this.A number of supporters have clearly said either on public message boards or in private that they are fed up and disappointed with the inter group spats. It is turning away genuine supporters from getting involved with any group due to these petty digs and arguments. I therefore call on all members of or elected committee group members to refrain from any public arguments.We are all ROVERS supporters so surely we should be standing together to help the cause, whatever our individual or group affiliation ?

Far and away the first piece of writing from any "Supporters Group"-affiliated individual that I can agree with.

I'm genuinely embarrassed by not only the individual outbursts, but the factions, the infighting, some bizarre rivalry has formed. Most embarrassing of all is the actual communication with the outside world. To note that, for instance, the BRFCAG has both a Communications Officer and a Press Officer blew me away.

Also very true that fans have been put off joining by it all; you can count me as one, certainly.

I'd have been delighted to have helped, but I have a feeling that the BRFCAG wouldn't be so receptive anymore.

[Wayne Wild]

I see you point Wayne I was just stating that to the whole fan base it's validity would be questioned. We will push for a statement of intention to be released as soon as possible.

Excellent. Thank you.

[Paul]

There is full literature within these packs provided by the RoversTrust which gives them all the details of how they can become members and the Trust aims.

There is also a ballot form within these too.

I think it's worth pointing out on September 14th, at the Bill Taylor meeting, BRAG reported the membership packs had been delayed by two weeks. Rovers Trust provided the leaflets as it appeared the membership packs would be delivered in time to coincide with our activities.

I wasn't directly involved in the discussions between Rovers Trust and BRAG regarding the inclusion of our general information leaflet. However my recollection is there was no mention of balloting the BRAG membership via this pack.

I'm just a touch surprised by Glen's post as this could be interpreted as the Trust being provided with the opportunity to put forward our views prior to the ballot. This was not the case, the inclusion of our leaflets was paid for advertising.

I'm not especially concerned but think it should be clear this is paid advertising and not an "electoral" (for want of a better word) statement by Rovers Trust.

[pk1875]

You are quite right Paul the membership packs where again, the exact reasons I cant fully recall at present but I'm sure I could produce a concise list of reasons for the delay if you wish.

[Paul]

The problem revolved around the difficulty of printing unique membership numbers on membership cards. Fair enough we all understand the difficulties supporter organisations face, it's not a problem for me.

I just want people reading the discussion to appreciate this was paid advertising and not BRAG facilitating Rovers Trust with an opportunity to present information prior to a ballot.

We felt the advertising worth paying for as the mail out is clearly our target market, Rovers supporters. It's a well targeted opportunity and as such a commercial decision.

[mark1875]

I just want people reading the discussion to appreciate this was paid advertising and not BRAG facilitating Rovers Trust with an opportunity to present information prior to a ballot.

Indeed Paul, the advertising taken up by the Rovers Trust was general advertising and not electoral related or requested by the group. The decision to ballot our members was discussed with Trust representatives at a later date.

[ABBEY]

I thought Paul pushed for a statement from the owners not the club.

yes he did

[jw_]

In fairness mate he asked a genuine question, as I did earlier which Paul answered fully and others with the same question now know the answer.

Its a forum board where questions are asked. I get asked questions everyday on here or on twitter and always answer them to the best of my knowledge. This is my personal account as is my twitter account.

We are football supporters and if it was a group question then we would ask via official group routes.

That statement is simply not true,you are selective in which questions you answer and you know it.By the way you come accross as having a real axe to grind with Wayne Wild who to me seems to be much more open and frank in his statements and I might add his statements are less confusing being without the inuendos and literary nods and winks that are a feature of yours, and before you say it I have never had any dealings with WW it's just my opinion. I also think that this problem you have with WW should be kept off the message board it further divides fans.

[glen9mullan]

That statement is simply not true,you are selective in which questions you answer and you know it.By the way you come accross as having a real axe to grind with Wayne Wild who to me seems to be much more open and frank in his statements and I might add his statements are less confusing being without the inuendos and literary nods and winks that are a feature of yours, and before you say it I have never had any dealings with WW it's just my opinion. I also think that this problem you have with WW should be kept off the message board it further divides fans.

If I can answer I always do,

Regarding Wayne Wild you couldnt be further from the truth.

Wayne Wild is not only my former employer who I had the pleasure to work for , but someone who employed me in a role of responsibility (I left under my own accord to persue my career elsewhere), I will be forever greatful for the time at spent at WEC. He is also someone I consider a friend who has been helpful to our group, whilst likewise we have with his venture.

He is also a respectful member of BRFCAG and a passionate rovers supporter.

Friends do not always have to agree on everything or indeed follow the same paths. You should not confuse opinions or questions with motives!!

Debating or clearing subjects up, is exactly that and is not a conquest to make anyone look silly or catch them out.

[Seedstral]

I see you point Wayne I was just stating that to the whole fan base it's validity would be questioned. We will push for a statement of intention to be released as soon as possible.

Why should you push for a statement of intention i didnt realise that you asked for it in person or as a member of your action group also when will you take a vote on this process as surely the members need to be consulted too!!!

[AggyBlue]

Why should you push for a statement of intention i didnt realise that you asked for it in person or as a member of your action group also when will you take a vote on this process as surely the members need to be consulted too!!!

Why do members need to be consulted. Members questions/queries are dealt with all the time without membership consultation.

[PAFELL]

If I can answer I always do,

Regarding Wayne Wild you couldnt be further from the truth.

Wayne Wild is not only my former employer who I had the pleasure to work for , but someone who employed me in a role of responsibility (I left under my own accord to persue my career elsewhere), I will be forever greatful for the time at spent at WEC. He is also someone I consider a friend who has been helpful to our group, whilst likewise we have with his venture.

He is also a respectful member of BRFCAG and a passionate rovers supporter.

Friends do not always have to agree on everything or indeed follow the same paths. You should not confuse opinions or questions with motives!!

Debating or clearing subjects up, is exactly that and is not a conquest to make anyone look silly or catch them out.

Thanks for clearing that up. It wasn't long ago you said you changed jobs because of me. But thanks for clearing that up.

[glen9mullan]

Which I stand by Pafell, you put in the public domain where I worked and started all sorts of conspirocies about why protest were started and who had pulled my strings to start them. This was 100% not true but it did spread to the levels where it made me uncomfortable to continue my career there.

Where I worked or what I did for a living had nothing to do with you, and you had no right to bring my personal life onto a public forum board!!

[PAFELL]

Which I stand by Pafell, you put in the public domain where I worked and started all sorts of conspirocies about why protest were started and who had pulled my strings to start them. This was 100% not true but it did spread to the levels where it made me uncomfortable to continue my career there.

Where I worked or what I did for a living had nothing to do with you, and you had no right to bring my personal life onto a public forum board!!

It was started by somebody else. I did join in the conversation on here about possible conflict of interest. But did not start it. But as you said you moved on your own accord. No need to continue this - both move on.

[glen9mullan]

It was started by somebody else. I did join in the conversation on here about possible conflict of interest. But did not start it. But as you said you moved on your own accord. No need to continue this - both move on.

When I get time later, I will post all the comments you made, as I have them archived somewhere. When you go on twitter claiming people are telling lies and all your other inuendos you put out in the public domain. Just remember if you cannot back these up , don't say them in the first place

Anything I post publically has a paper trail and can be supported if the need ever arises, I would never post anything which does not have supporting evidence.

I would like to keep the things I own

[Tom]

Is this Relevent to anyone anymore?

Come on try and keep the personal stuff off here

[glen9mullan]

Is this Relevent to anyone anymore?

Come on try and keep the personal stuff off here

Yes Tom it is relevant, its in the action group thread and all the accusations made via public forums or via other social network sites regarding the Action Group and its members are relevant when not true.

[PAFELL]

When I get time later, I will post all the comments you made, as I have them archived somewhere. When you go on twitter claiming people are telling lies and all your other inuendos you put out in the public domain. Just remember if you cannot back these up , don't say them in the first place

Anything I post publically has a paper trail and can be supported if the need ever arises, I would never post anything which does not have supporting evidence.

I would like to keep the things I own

I am referring to one particular issue. Your claim I was responsible for you changing jobs. I thanked you for clearing this up. You left on your own accord. I did not start any conversation about where you worked. How could I have done? I have no connections in anyway shape or form with WEC.

Again there is no reason to continue this. You cleared things up earlier. Again ,thanks for doings so. Time to move on.

Is this Relevent to anyone anymore?

Come on try and keep the personal stuff off here

Agreed Tom. I thanked Glen for clearing up one particular issue. Time to move on for both of us.

Issue, subject dealt with. No need for it to be pursued further.

[darrenrover]

When I get time later, I will post all the comments you made, as I have them archived somewhere. When you go on twitter claiming people are telling lies and all your other inuendos you put out in the public domain. Just remember if you cannot back these up , don't say them in the first place

Anything I post publically has a paper trail and can be supported if the need ever arises, I would never post anything which does not have supporting evidence.

I would like to keep the things I own

Children, children; is there not a match to go to and comment on today or have I got my days mixed up?

[MrT]

lol

Done up like a kipper

[blueboy3333]

Glen, if Peter Taylor is Shebby's choice, were you aware of it before today? If so please can you ask Shebby why he views him as an 'experienced' championship manager? He isn't, he's a failed lower-league manager. Also, if you were aware why the hell have you not kicked up a fuss, like BRAG did when McKinlay was leaked?

[philipl]

We need a campaign of education to explain just how awful a manager Taylor is.