[Archived] BRFC Action Group

[Ewoodbhappy]

We are certainly not disuputing that RE Shebby,

We have a plan of action and are following it through as planned, what appears on the outside as one thing, does not mean thats the way it is!

Hope so Glen, I know you've took some stick. Frustration getting the better of many. I keep stating my stance of formulating opinions on previos actions. Venkys / Shebby / Agnew / Shaw - enough said.

I wish you all the best in your efforts to gain the best outcome for the club and fans.

[glen9mullan]

Do you still speak to Shebby daily Glen?

I speak to Shebby when we have a meeting penned in as a group which his presence is required.

Today as (Fernhurst Rover will confirm) Its been all hands to pumps with these membership packs which have turned the walk in centre into a warehouse due to the sheer volume of them which need delivering.

We then had a meeting with Shebby Singh at 5PM Regarding issues which have arisen over the last 7 days, which the members have highlighted.

Following that we had a meeting with Derian House which Shebby Singh was present as they secured a fantastic working relationship with the club which was severed 2 years ago.

This is great news for Derian house and there is a few things people will see at games over the next few months related to that particular charity

So in short if we want a meeting with Shebby Singh or anyone else at Ewood , we request a meeting and then agree a mutual date when we can all attend

[PAFELL]

There is indeed 8000 members and you probably know some, I'm sure you don't ask people in town or at games can I see your Action Group Membership Card.

Yes The board of Directors needs a complete overhaul

Yes we want Directors to go

Yes I would love new wealthy owners to buy us (but there is no buyers and Venkys don't want to sell)

Yes we speak to the club as we campaigned for months to open dialogue with the club

Yes we rent an office / walk in centre from the Community Trust

Do you want shebby Singh to go!

If not, why not?

[Amo]

Do you want shebby Singh to go!

If not, why not?

100% Rovers

0% Shebby/Venky's

[Tom]

I speak to Shebby when we have a meeting penned in as a group which his presence is required.

Today as (Fernhurst Rover will confirm) Its been all hands to pumps with these membership packs which have turned the walk in centre into a warehouse due to the sheer volume of them which need delivering.

We then had a meeting with Shebby Singh at 5PM Regarding issues which have arisen over the last 7 days, which the members have highlighted.

Following that we had a meeting with Derian House which Shebby Singh was present as they secured a fantastic working relationship with the club which was severed 2 years ago.

This is great news for Derian house and there is a few things people will see at games over the next few months related to that particular charity

So in short if we want a meeting with Shebby Singh or anyone else at Ewood , we request a meeting and then agree a mutual date when we can all attend

Cheers Glen, I just remember you stating you talk to him daily in the past and wondered if it was still the case or more only through official channels now

Long may the charity / community stuff continue as I see that (personally) as the future of the group, almost a voluntary replacement for the community trust

[jw_]

Do you want shebby Singh to go!

If not, why not?

Good Question, I can't wait for this answer.

[DE.]

Neither Glen or anyone else from the action group is going to come out and openly call for Shebby to leave. It wouldn't really benefit their current direction to do so.

I appreciate this direction isn't something most people agree with, however, it's pointless trying to goad Glen or the other BRFCAG members into slating Shebby. At the very least, I do trust that they're putting across to him what an utter embarrassment he is... so at least he can't claim ignorance.

[47er]

Well you can make that 4. I actually wondered where you all had gone, whether this contributed to the improved atmosphere in the second half I don't know. You missed a Yak-Trick so fool you. I don't find it surprising that people are signing up to this forum just to give you a piece of their mind. It is warrented.If you choose to deny your actions and the way you've influenced people to disrupt games then that's up to you. I've said what I wanted to say to you. People can make up there own minds and by the look of things, outside your group, they already have.The sad thing is you probably don't really want all this attention. I reiterate. You don't speak for me as a Rovers fan please stop it. It's time you went away from this pedistal you've climbed onto and just be a fan of the club. Can you remember what that feels like?

So you did make the story about Glen up then? Yes or no?

[philipl]

For goodness sake lets nail this lie certain BRAG posters hide behind.

There are people who would take even the smouldering car crash Venky's would leave behind if only the loons of Pune would let go.

[mark1875]

Neither Glen or anyone else from the action group is going to come out and openly call for Shebby to leave. It wouldn't really benefit their current direction to do so.

I appreciate this direction isn't something most people agree with, however, it's pointless trying to goad Glen or the other BRFCAG members into slating Shebby. At the very least, I do trust that they're putting across to him what an utter embarrassment he is... so at least he can't claim ignorance.

You are quite correct, at this stage we aren't going to come out and openly call for this, as this will gain nothing.

Our aim is and always has been for a well run football club and we actively seek this, we simply ask and hope that the members of the BRFC Action Group trust us, and if they have any questions they'd like answering or concerns they'd like to discuss then we are easily contactable via many methods.

Sometimes not all is as it appears.

[glen9mullan]

For goodness sake lets nail this lie certain BRAG posters hide behind. There are people who would take even the smouldering car crash Venky's would leave behind if only the loons of Pune would let go.

We dont hide behind anything, If you have a smoking gun produce it!!

If not allow us to continue doing what we think is right at this moment in time

[Glenn]

BRAG website is not busy enough for 8000 members.

BRFCS Mods - can we have some comparisons please?

-how many members is BRFCS supposed to have

-how many are currently active on the Board(say 1 post per month or whatever rule you can calculate)

-how many were active when we were a real,well-run Club eg Hughesy and Hughesy days

Thanks if you can oblige.

I would have been happy to, but now I've got over the shock of thinking our traffic had nose-dived off a cliff, before realising that we'd not been collecting stats for the forum for quite some time, I have to say they're pretty worthless.

Members is easy 8428, but as you don't need to be a member to read we have to do some fag-packet maths. It's normally between a 1 in 5 to 1 in 10 member/guest ratio, we'll go for 1 in 7, which is roughly 59000 people. What stats we do have from google says the non-forum parts of the site got 12,500 unique visitors (not visits) last month and from when we did have forum stats working it seemed about 50% of visitors never touched outside the forum, which takes in to 25,000 unique visitors a month.

Traffic has actually been steadily climbing (well, projected traffic, based on what it would be with the forum traffic) but that growth has been far more erratic the last couple of years and given general internet usage is still growing, I suspect the stats really show interest in Rovers is declining (but demotion alone would show that).

Ask me again in a month, I should have some much more realistic stats.

.... anybody want to buy some advertising

Edit - The numbers may be even higher than I expected, I now see that mobile users of the non-forum parts weren't counted either.

[Ricky]

Are you guys not as close as you once were? Philip came with you to the FA meeting I believe, so why the tension now.

[glen9mullan]

Are you guys not as close as you once were? Philip came with you to the FA meeting I believe, so why the tension now.

I deal with facts backed up with proof.

We will never put anything in the public domain which is not backed up with supporting evidence. I get on well with Philip, however at the same time if he has something he needs to back it up with evidence.

[Amo]

You are quite correct, at this stage we aren't going to come out and openly call for this, as this will gain nothing.

Our aim is and always has been for a well run football club and we actively seek this, we simply ask and hope that the members of the BRFC Action Group trust us, and if they have any questions they'd like answering or concerns they'd like to discuss then we are easily contactable via many methods.

Sometimes not all is as it appears.

So do you believe Shebby & co are conducive to a "well run football club".

You made yourselves very clear when it came to Kean & McKinlay. Yet you seem awfully tolerant of Shebby's farcical behaviour. Why is that?

[Tom]

You are quite correct, at this stage we aren't going to come out and openly call for this, as this will gain nothing.

Our aim is and always has been for a well run football club and we actively seek this, we simply ask and hope that the members of the BRFC Action Group trust us, and if they have any questions they'd like answering or concerns they'd like to discuss then we are easily contactable via many methods.

Sometimes not all is as it appears.

Whilst that is a sensible approach it seems odd that it isn't the case when it comes to the directors

Paul has said on the last page 'yes we want the directors to go' but that doesn't seem to extend to the global advisor

What will saying 'we want the directors to go' achieve? Will the other two not enter dialogue with the group or does the group have no desire to or do you in fact speak with them as well?

[Ricky]

I deal with facts backed up with proof.

We will never put anything in the public domain which is not backed up with supporting evidence. I get on well with Philip, however at the same time if he has something he needs to back it up with evidence.

In dealing with 'facts' does this include believing what someone else tells you. I'm pretty sure you stood by your comment about a certain agent meeting with a certain director because you believed your source, however believing a source doesn't really make it fact does it.

Just an example of how 'fact' can vary a bit. Phil may believe his source just as much as you believed yours but you probably wouldn't accept it as fact on that basis.

[glen9mullan]

Whilst that is a sensible approach it seems odd that it isn't the case when it comes to the directors

Paul has said on the last page 'yes we want the directors to go' but that doesn't seem to extend to the global advisor

What will saying 'we want the directors to go' achieve?

This is and always will be about the last 2 years. You cannot write off the 18 months prior to Shebby Singhs arrival.

Was our club seriously broken 6 months ago? Answer is yes

Was it broken enough for us to not only go to every footballing authority but be taken to Parliament by the former secretary? Answer is yes

Do we just brush that under the carpet? Answer a resounding NO

In dealing with 'facts' does this include believing what someone else tells you. I'm pretty sure you stood by your comment about a certain agent meeting with a certain director because you believed your source, however believing a source doesn't really make it fact does it.

Just an example of how 'fact' can vary a bit. Phil may believe his source just as much as you believed yours but you probably wouldn't accept it as fact on that basis.

Source was impecable and without revealing the source, I stand by my first statement

[chaddyrovers]

If you have joined the website this does not make you a member. If you have filled in a membership form this makes you a member.

Regarding a fit and proper board of directors, that is what we have been pushing for since the group started and are still pushing for, and are getting closer and closer to that becoming a reality IMO, in the sense that I think some will not be their much longer.

How they are replaced should the owners decide their time us up, is what worries me.

Agnew , Shaw and Silk are our current board of directors. They are not good enough IMO and the groups stance is similar to mine on this.

By communicating issues, (Which is needed) then the feelings of the membership base gets put across undiluted and straight to the point.

To break off that communication would have us hoping they come to their senses, rather than keeping the pressure on for those decisions to be made

I agree with that changng the board of directors is vital to us moving forward as a club.

If we did get a new CEO he must have experience in football as a CEO and he must be allow to get on with his job totally. The owners must trust this person aswell

[Tom]

This is and always will be about the last 2 years. You cannot write off the 18 months prior to Shebby Singhs arrival.

Was our club seriously broken 6 months ago? Answer is yes

Was it broken enough for us to not only go to every footballing authority but be taken to Parliament by the former secretary? Answer is yes

Do we just brush that under the carpet? Answer a

Again I see the logic but from the outside its not immediately clear as Derek Shaw only joined the club last year whilst Shebby Singh has been linked with the club for much longer if only unofficially

[darrenrover]

Glen,

' Agnew, Shaw and Silk are not good enough' in your opinion. Is that collectively or individually?

On what professional basis have you formed that opinion? Not that I agree nor disagree by the way I'm just curious.

In addition, are we to assume that Rob Coar is good enough in your opinion, again I would ask you on what basis that opinion is formed?

Are we also to assume that Shebby Singh is fit for purpose as a senior representative of the Club in yours and/or BRAGS eyes? Again I would appreciate your rational in arriving at that conclusion.

[Mercer]

Agnew , Shaw and Silk are our current board of directors. They are not good enough IMO and the groups stance is similar to mine on this.

Can understand your opinion about Agnew and Shaw but I would like to know how on earth you can form an opinion about Karen Silk who is a finance professional.

I personally have little direct knowledge of Karen Silk but what I do know is that no one has ever raised doubts with me about her competency levels which, in the case of recent Roves' employees, is a rare phenomenon. Directing Rovers' financial operations must be an absolute nightmare.

[glen9mullan]

Glen,

' Agnew, Shaw and Silk are not good enough' in your opinion. Is that collectively or individually?

On what professional basis have you formed that opinion? Not that I agree nor disagree by the way I'm just curious.

In addition, are we to assume that Rob Coar is good enough in your opinion, again I would ask you on what basis that opinion is formed?

Are we also to assume that Shebby Singh is fit for purpose as a senior representative of the Club in yours and/or BRAGS eyes? Again I would appreciate your rational in arriving at that conclusion.

My opinion,

Karen Silk- I'm lead to believe she is one of the finest Financial directors this club has ever had and without her the club would be a million times worse off.

Rob Coar- He is a non executive director and his role is more FA Panels, than the day to day running of the club

Shaw/Agnew- I dont wish to comment

Singh- Again I do not wish to comment

Collectively as a group, the above mentioned is not good enough for our club, for reasons which I do not wish to comment on!

Can understand your opinion about Agnew and Shaw but I would like to know how on earth you can form an opinion about Karen Silk who is a finance professional.

I personally have little direct knowledge of Karen Silk but what I do know is that no one has ever raised doubts with me about her competency levels which, in the case of recent Roves' employees, is a rare phenomenon. Directing Rovers' financial operations must be an absolute nightmare.

You have either mis-read my post, or I have written it where it could be mis-read

[darrenrover]

My opinion,

Karen Silk- I'm lead to believe she is one of the finest Financial directors this club has ever had and without her the club would be a million times worse off.

Rob Coar- He is a non executive director and his role is more FA Panels, than the day to day running of the club

Shaw/Agnew- I dont wish to comment

Singh- Again I do not wish to comment

IMO

Enough said!

Collectively as a group, the above mentioned is not good enough for our club, for reasons which I do not wish to comment on!

You have either mis-read my post, or I have written it where it could be mis-read

My opinion,

Karen Silk- I'm lead to believe she is one of the finest Financial directors this club has ever had and without her the club would be a million times worse off.

Rob Coar- He is a non executive director and his role is more FA Panels, than the day to day running of the club

Shaw/Agnew- I dont wish to comment

Singh- Again I do not wish to comment

Collectively as a group, the above mentioned is not good enough for our club, for reasons which I do not wish to comment on!

You have either mis-read my post, or I have written it where it could be mis-read

IMO

Enough said!!

[matty1875]

Hang on so in one post Glen you say "Agnew , Shaw and Silk are our current board of directors. They are not good enough IMO and the groups stance is similar to mine on this.".....so that would indicate you want rid........ but them an hour later you say that Silk is one of the finest Financial Directors the club has had, surely she is worth keeping?

You may not want to comment on Shebby, but I am sure if he was not talking to you, giving you what you want and access to some kind of information then you would be have you Shebby Out banners out in force. The guy is a clown, an idiot but your judgement on him from an outsider looking in seems to be clouded because he tells you certain things which in grand scheme just keeps you quiet and silences the "problem" Venkys had last season when you protested about Kean.

Good luck though with the charity / community side of things, that is the only side of the group that is actually credible at the moment. If you did a lot more of that, ran fans days / engaged with the normal supporter with encouraged to get down to Ewood for example and distanced yourself from Singh, Venky's etc you would gain a lot more credibility from a lot more supporters. You should concentrate on promoting the community stuff than promoting the amount of "members" you have and that you talk to "Shebby and co" on a daily basis.