[Archived] BRFC Action Group

[Amo]

Hang on so in one post Glen you say "Agnew , Shaw and Silk are our current board of directors. They are not good enough IMO and the groups stance is similar to mine on this.".....so that would indicate you want rid........ but them an hour later you say that Silk is one of the finest Financial Directors the club has had, surely she is worth keeping?

You may not want to comment on Shebby, but I am sure if he was not talking to you, giving you what you want and access to some kind of information then you would be have you Shebby Out banners out in force. The guy is a clown, an idiot but your judgement on him from an outsider looking in seems to be clouded because he tells you certain things which in grand scheme just keeps you quiet and silences the "problem" Venkys had last season when you protested about Kean.

Good luck though with the charity / community side of things, that is the only side of the group that is actually credible at the moment. If you did a lot more of that, ran fans days / engaged with the normal supporter with encouraged to get down to Ewood for example and distanced yourself from Singh, Venky's etc you would gain a lot more credibility from a lot more supporters. You should concentrate on promoting the community stuff than promoting the amount of "members" you have and that you talk to "Shebby and co" on a daily basis.

Bang on the money.

[glen9mullan]

Hang on so in one post Glen you say "Agnew , Shaw and Silk are our current board of directors. They are not good enough IMO and the groups stance is similar to mine on this.".....so that would indicate you want rid........ but them an hour later you say that Silk is one of the finest Financial Directors the club has had, surely she is worth keeping?

You may not want to comment on Shebby, but I am sure if he was not talking to you, giving you what you want and access to some kind of information then you would be have you Shebby Out banners out in force. The guy is a clown, an idiot but your judgement on him from an outsider looking in seems to be clouded because he tells you certain things which in grand scheme just keeps you quiet and silences the "problem" Venkys had last season when you protested about Kean.

Good luck though with the charity / community side of things, that is the only side of the group that is actually credible at the moment. If you did a lot more of that, ran fans days / engaged with the normal supporter with encouraged to get down to Ewood for example and distanced yourself from Singh, Venky's etc you would gain a lot more credibility from a lot more supporters. You should concentrate on promoting the community stuff than promoting the amount of "members" you have and that you talk to "Shebby and co" on a daily basis.

Hang on so in one post Glen you say "Agnew , Shaw and Silk are our current board of directors. They are not good enough IMO and the groups stance is similar to mine on this.".....so that would indicate you want rid........ but them an hour later you say that Silk is one of the finest Financial Directors the club has had, surely she is worth keeping?

You may not want to comment on Shebby, but I am sure if he was not talking to you, giving you what you want and access to some kind of information then you would be have you Shebby Out banners out in force. The guy is a clown, an idiot but your judgement on him from an outsider looking in seems to be clouded because he tells you certain things which in grand scheme just keeps you quiet and silences the "problem" Venkys had last season when you protested about Kean.

Good luck though with the charity / community side of things, that is the only side of the group that is actually credible at the moment. If you did a lot more of that, ran fans days / engaged with the normal supporter with encouraged to get down to Ewood for example and distanced yourself from Singh, Venky's etc you would gain a lot more credibility from a lot more supporters. You should concentrate on promoting the community stuff than promoting the amount of "members" you have and that you talk to "Shebby and co" on a daily basis.

I have acknowledged I perhaps worded it wrong, Karen Silk should stay at rovers for many years to come , she was a great appointment.

Shebby- is the point of contact of the club, communication is needed for concerns to be aired around a table, it serves no purpose to break all ties with the club, it may make people feel better, but the cold hard facts is for any concern to be aired it must be done around a table.

The community work is something we enjoy doing and hope to do more of. We are always looking for new idea's and initiatives and take all idea's regarding this on board.

[darrenrover]

I have acknowledged I perhaps worded it wrong, Karen Silk should stay at rovers for many years to come , she was a great appointment.

Shebby- is the point of contact of the club, communication is needed for concerns to be aired around a table, it serves no purpose to break all ties with the club, it may make people feel better, but the cold hard facts is for any concern to be aired it must be done around a table.

The community work is something we enjoy doing and hope to do more of. We are always looking for new idea's and initiatives and take all idea's regarding this on board.

I for one fully endorse the need for 2 way communication between The Club and it's supporters. Since the days of John Williams etc, when it was done professionally through the media it has gone awry.

Until recently when The Clubs self appointed spokesperson started to try the same approach through the media with devastating effect. He got the response from the masses (not the chosen few) at Barnsley on Saturday and Ewood on New Years day? He may have been partially instrumental in the removal of Keanout but has caused untold damage since.

IMO he has to go pronto!

[Theadum]

It all comes down to the hard fact of what any one particular fan prefers:

1. An "out of his depth" global adviser making a fool of himself and Blackburn Rovers but giving the fans communication.
2. No communication whatsoever (which remember, led to the WEC sponsorship cancellation) but no idiotic global adviser making a fool of Rovers.

Unfortunately, I prefer option one. That does not mean in any way that I am "pro-Venkys". It means I would rather have Singh communicating to us (however badly) than have no communication at all. I found the lack of communication pre-Singh to be much more frustrating than the stupid interviews.

[Mercer]

The only language Venky's understand is that which hits them hard both in the pocket and image wise.

IMO, BRAG's role is now redundant.

Less than 3,000 against Bristol City on Saturday will make, IMO, the lunes in Pune sit up and take notice.

[Amo]

It all comes down to the hard fact of what any one particular fan prefers:

1. An "out of his depth" global adviser making a fool of himself and Blackburn Rovers but giving the fans communication.
2. No communication whatsoever (which remember, led to the WEC sponsorship cancellation) but no idiotic global adviser making a fool of Rovers.

Unfortunately, I prefer option one. That does not mean in any way that I am "pro-Venkys". It means I would rather have Singh communicating to us (however badly) than have no communication at all. I found the lack of communication pre-Singh to be much more frustrating than the stupid interviews.

Why? They both translate to the same thing.

[Theadum]

Why? They both translate to the same thing.

In what way? You either want Shebby out, but run the risk of having a football club with no communication to the outside world. Or you want Shebby to stay for the communication (however poor).

[darrenrover]

In what way? You either want Shebby out, but run the risk of having a football club with no communication to the outside world. Or you want Shebby to stay for the communication (however poor).

Personally I'd prefer to be told nothing than be spun a load of sh1te.

[Amo]

In what way? You either want Shebby out, but run the risk of having a football club with no communication to the outside world. Or you want Shebby to stay for the communication (however poor).

And how's that working out for Shebby?

[darrenrover]

And how's that working out for Shebby?

Robbie Savage, Alan Green and Gary Hickson all enjoyed the previous 2 performances!

[he6rt6gr6m]

If you filled in The FREE MEMBERSHIP APPLICATION FORM then Id say you will be a member if you simply accessed the web site, facebook group or followed on Twitter then no you wont be a member.

You only become a member by filling in a membership form.

We do a monthly draw that all members and new members are entered into.

Surely all 8,000 of those members cannot be devout. In fact, I'd say that many of them just signed up for the chance to win these competitions, lending their name to that of which you speak for.

I presume they get a voting right as well, but how many of them actually care enough to vote?

You seem to be spending an awful lot of money on membership packs at the risk of them just being scanned over, cutting out vouchers and then throwing the rest in the bin. It just baffles me how and why this is all funded, when overall it seems to operate at a substantial loss!

[jw_]

All this talk of communication via Singh is ridiculous, we've all seen and heard him communicating on tv and radio and basically he talks rubbish but worse than that is the fact that most of what he says basically never happens either because he's lying or he gets overuled.Now on one hand he says he's in charge and makes the decisions but every time he does it does'nt happen. Therefore is he a compulsive liar or someone else is "in charge" and if so what use is Singh.The other thing is that much is made of this communication with Singh but it works two ways because we just don't know what he is relating back to the chief clowns in Pune, what lies or ramblings is he "communicating " to them.

I don't believe he is the best person to be communicating with, and that's based on his track record since he's been unfortunately the face of Rovers.

[mark1875]

Surely all 8,000 of those members cannot be devout. In fact, I'd say that many of them just signed up for the chance to win these competitions, lending their name to that of which you speak for.

I presume they get a voting right as well, but how many of them actually care enough to vote?

You seem to be spending an awful lot of money on membership packs at the risk of them just being scanned over, cutting out vouchers and then throwing the rest in the bin. It just baffles me how and why this is all funded, when overall it seems to operate at a substantial loss!

I suppose we will never know how 'devout' each member is, as each individual joins a group such as this for their own various reasons, however they give their name and their details freely and they are fully aware of what they are joining and giving their support towards.

Take the 'pledgers' of your Rovers Trust for instance and ask how 'devout those people are, how many of those £3 million 'pledges' are going to be honoured in real cash? and how many weren't 'devout' and just 'pledged' for the sake of pledging many months ago? How many of those who pledged cared enough to become official members when the scheme was rolled out? how many weren't really that devout and haven't become members? and how many have just shoved that pledge to the back of their mind with no intention to follow it through?

You see every angle in every entity raises its own questions, only those individuals have their own answers, however all members are members and each person is entitled to a 'vote', some will of course abstain from using it on some, perhaps even all issues, however this is also something which happens in every voting system, regardless of the issue or importance, all over the world.

The membership packs do of course cost money, however a supporters group needs members to become a group and within any membership scheme a card in a welcome pack would be the norm, i would presume that the Rovers Trust will also be sending out membership packs and cards to their members won't they??

That is the reason why, now for how they were funded...they were funded by the group selling advertising space to various local companies and various groups and of course Trust's, there are no vouchers at all to be 'cut out' within the packs and of course they do operate at a loss, however in general, supporters groups do so.

[PAFELL]

For goodness sake lets nail this lie certain BRAG posters hide behind. There are people who would take even the smouldering car crash Venky's would leave behind if only the loons of Pune would let go.

Heard the same by others. there are interested parties wanting to buy the club. Just not a sellar - yet.

[he6rt6gr6m]

I suppose we will never know how 'devout' each member is, as each individual joins a group such as this for their own various reasons, however they give their name and their details freely and they are fully aware of what they are joining and giving their support towards.

If that's the case, then fair enough. As long as they know what they are signing up to. I still think there may be people signing up for the purpose of the competitions and draws, rather than to support the Action Group, but as you say, they have signed their name over to be represented by you guys.

Take the 'pledgers' of your Rovers Trust for instance and ask how 'devout those people are, how many of those £3 million 'pledges' are going to be honoured in real cash and how many weren't 'devout' and just 'pledged' for the sake of pledging many months ago? How many of those who pledged cared enough to become official members when the scheme was rolled out? and how many have just shoved that pledge to the back of their mind with no intention to follow it through?

Very true, however, every single Steering Group member knows that not only will there be people not fulfilling their pledge for one reason or another, but there will most likely be some people ready to put cash towards one when/if the opportunity arises.

I will add that we don't band the figure around freely though. If we are asked, then yes, we will let people know.

I guess it's the old argument of the PS3. Sony claims there are a certain amount of PSN Users, yet the number of which who are active and are not duplicates on one machine would reduce that figure.

You see every angle in every entity raises its own questions, only those individuals have their own answers, however all members are members and each person is entitled to a 'vote', some will abstain from using it, which is also something which happens in every voting system, regardless of the issue or importance, all over the world.

Thus my need to ask. Again, that was just to clear up things in my own mind.

The membership packs do of course cost money, however a supporters group needs members to become a group and within any membership scheme a card in a welcome pack would be the norm, i would presume that the Rovers Trust will also be sending out membership packs and cards to their members won't they??

Without members, we are nothing, just like without the fans, the club is nothing.

That is the reason why, now for how they were funded...they were funded by the group selling advertising space to various local companies and various groups and of course Trust's, there are no vouchers at all to be 'cut out' within the packs and of course they do operate at a loss, however in general, supporters groups do so.

I was sure if there were deals/vouchers going out with the packs. Maybe I've crossed wires there. It was more of a sweeping statement, however. The packs are easily funded by the advertising. The work that you do in other departments, however, costs money away from that, and surely cannot all be from donations.

Cheers for replying Mark.

[Stuart]

In dealing with 'facts' does this include believing what someone else tells you. I'm pretty sure you stood by your comment about a certain agent meeting with a certain director because you believed your source, however believing a source doesn't really make it fact does it.

Just an example of how 'fact' can vary a bit. Phil may believe his source just as much as you believed yours but you probably wouldn't accept it as fact on that basis.

You're not defending Philip by any chance, are you Ricky?

[Ricky]

Just trying to add a little balance Stu, he was thought highly enough to be asked to attend the FA hearing, yet seems to be on the wrong side of brag at present. I don't always agree with phil but I've always said he has the clubs future at heart.

[philipl]

We dont hide behind anything, If you have a smoking gun produce it!!

If not allow us to continue doing what we think is right at this moment in time

That is a worrying answer as it shows you to be not well informed.

Kamy has reported that approaches have been made to acquire the club in the last eight weeks and have been rejected.

[Ewoodbhappy]

In what way? You either want Shebby out, but run the risk of having a football club with no communication to the outside world. Or you want Shebby to stay for the communication (however poor).

We are told there is now a direct line to Pune. Surely it could be communicated that in a global population of billions - there are more qualified people to communicate / act on behalf of BRFC than the handful of idiots at Ewood.

[Roverthechimp]

That is a worrying answer as it shows you to be not well informed. Kamy has reported that approaches have been made to acquire the club in the last eight weeks and have been rejected.

Of course there is a slight difference between "we'll take it off your hands" and "we are interested in buying it"...

[philipl]

Of course there is a slight difference between "we'll take it off your hands" and "we are interested in buying it"...

When the asset is a car wreck, the difference is a penny.

Seriously I understand one was a serious offer to buy.

Which is why it is so dangerous that BRFCAG are conflating Venky's being too scared to sell with there being no buyers.

There is the old saying that you hold your friends close and your enemies even closer. I am sure BRFCAG are wise enough to understand that this is precisely what Shebby and Mrs D are doing.

[Roost]

When the asset is a car wreck, the difference is a penny. Seriously I understand one was a serious offer to buy. Which is why it is so dangerous that BRFCAG are conflating Venky's being too scared to sell with there being no buyers. There is the old saying that you hold your friends close and your enemies even closer. I am sure BRFCAG are wise enough to understand that this is precisely what Shebby and Mrs D are doing.

There lies the problem - they either know this and dont want to admit it to save face, or they are genuinely convinced that Shebby & Venkys are the best (and only??) option for our club.

I would imagine that the first is close to the truth.

[pk1875]

That is a worrying answer as it shows you to be not well informed. Kamy has reported that approaches have been made to acquire the club in the last eight weeks and have been rejected.

The smoking gun is in reference to any potential wrong doing I think.

If there has been bids made and interested parties then get then lets hear about them.

[47er]

Heard the same by others. there are interested parties wanting to buy the club. Just not a sellar - yet.

LOL! For months (is it years?) you blithely told us that there was no point in protesting against Venkys because NO-ONE ELSE WOULD BUY US!

You're also passing on things you've heard without the level of PROOF you always demand of others!

[Gav]

That is a worrying answer as it shows you to be not well informed. Kamy has reported that approaches have been made to acquire the club in the last eight weeks and have been rejected.

Not really wanting to get involved in the willy waving competition, but Kamy has been wrong on numerous occasions in the past, especially when relying on contacts 'close to the family', so its not necessarily a stick to beat anyone with philipl.

Just before anyone starts, I have the utmost respect for Kamy and what he brings to the site, but he does get things wrong like all journalists do.