[Archived] BRFC Action Group

[Amo]

Quite the opposite members of an affiliated Supporters Group contacted their elected committee members voicing their concern, their was no baying crowd outside the ground.

So whose interests do you serve? Is it strictly your members or the wider fanbase?

You think that the 88% who didn't say anything were Billy MacKinlay supporters then?!!!

It's up to Brag to assess the feelings of their members and its up to their members to complain if they got it wrong.

Is there any evidence of this or do you think you have the right to tell an organisation what to do when you (presumably) are not a member?

And here's everyone's favourite shill, right on cue.

[pk1875]

If you say interests do we serve, I presume who do we represent? I think this may have been answered before, but we represent the members of Blackburn Rovers Football Community Action Group. If you mean whose interests do we share then I would hope the answer is all of us as we want what is best for the Club.

[47er]

So whose interests do you serve? Is it strictly your members or the wider fanbase?

And here's everyone's favourite shill, right on cue.

I guess " mob rule" would be your area of expertise.

[Mercer]

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[mark1875]

Why even have it then? It's clearly designed to make people think they have to complete the form to continue - and the poster above has done just that.

It's the sort of cheap tactic you would associate with rip-off merchants and spam sites.

Most people as someone already stated, would ignore it if they don't want to sign up. Ignoring it is much easier than filling it in, however don't let that ruin your personal agenda eh.

ok i see what you're saying but he's not big on computers, he can only just open emails lol. i just think it is a little remiss of brag not to keep all 8000 members either updated by email or a monthly newsletter of some description

rather than relying on them to contact you.

thanks for answering my question btw

With all due respect, if you expect us to ballot all 8,000 members in person without email every time a decision is taken then....can you please suggest how the group funds this at over £10,000 in postage per ballot??

You think that the 88% who didn't say anything were Billy MacKinlay supporters then?!!!

It's up to Brag to assess the feelings of their members and its up to their members to complain if they got it wrong.

Is there any evidence of this or do you think you have the right to tell an organisation what to do when you (presumably) are not a member?

Correct, not only did we act on the emails from members on this, however we had many emails and posts from non-members who were expressing the same concern. Not only was it group members but the wider support base in general, whom demanded something from the only group who appears to be publishing supporters concern, or at least indeed the only group whom is to have spoken since the departure of Berg, whilst the majority of supporters lambast Shebby Singh, the BRFC Action Group remains the only group to criticise Singh publicly in the last fortnight.

As we all have aliases on here, are you saying you know who is and isn't a member?? Or indeed that you know all 8,000 names of your membership

I am the only person with access to the groups database, so yes i do know the names of all 8,000+ members. Whilst in alias terms i don't know who is and isn't, i have names, addresses, email addresses and telephone numbers for all our members.

[MrT]

to be fair thats not really what i said........

I said i find it remiss that my father who signed up 6 months ago has not had any communication/correspondence.

it wouldn't cost £10,000 to create a monthly email and ping it to 8000 addresses, would it??

all 8000 members should of been kept in the loop somehow, be it by email etc, rather than having to contact brag themselves....

And anyway this issue was raised by my father , who is a member, so surely he deserved some answers, which may i add PK had already kindly and thoughtfully given me.

[Gav]

I'm not sure if anyone has said this but can I offer a little advice to the BRAG members:

Stop trying to defend the group on here for goodness sake, you're arguing with a handful of people who won't change their minds even if you paid them. Have faith in your own group, and let it speak for itself, I fear you're making things worse instead of better.

Just my thoughts chaps.

[matt83]

May have been written elsewhere on here but heard keanocchio pulled out of goals on Sunday? Must not have been able to get a lift. I was looking forward to that. Rovers 3 wins on the spin something he never did, that along with fact he's settled out of court with big Sam effectively admitting guilt he obviously didn't think he could lie and spin anything in his favour. Dick head.

wrong thread thought was in the kean one

[Amo]

If you say interests do we serve, I presume who do we represent? I think this may have been answered before, but we represent the members of Blackburn Rovers Football Community Action Group. If you mean whose interests do we share then I would hopethe answer is all of us as we want what is best for the Club.

But would you accept there's a fine line between the two and the potential for a conflict of interest?

I guess " mob rule" would be your area of expertise.

Stop posting. Please?

[pk1875]

But would you accept there's a fine line between the two and the potential for a conflict of interest?

There is a very fine line between Rovers Fans who are group members and Rovers Fans who are not group members. Both are Rovers fans, both want what is best for the club. One chooses to be part of a group the other chooses not to be, each to their own. Mutual respect should be shown. Members should not criticise non members for not joining and visa versa.

Conflict of interest? That's an easy answer No.

[Amo]

There is a very fine line between Rovers Fans who are group members and Rovers Fans who are not group members. Both are Rovers fans, both want what is best for the club. One chooses to be part of a group the other chooses not to be, each to their own. Mutual respect should be shown. Members should not criticise non members for not joining and visa versa.

So when you campaigned against Kean & McKinlay, were you representing the fans then? BRAG? Both?

How do you decide this process? How do you gauge fan response to the point of taking action?

Conflict of interest? That's an easy answer No.

Not even with your working relationship with unpopular figures at the club?

[Rishton blue]

On a lighter note. Me and two others have booked on your coach to Wolves. None of us are members of BRAG but looking forward to a good night :-)

[pk1875]

On a lighter note. Me and two others have booked on your coach to Wolves. None of us are members of BRAG but looking forward to a good night :-)

Glad to hear it, should be a good night. Its a good friendly atmosphere on coaches.

So when you campaigned against Kean & McKinlay, were you representing the fans then? BRAG? Both?

How do you decide this process? How do you gauge fan response to the point of taking action?

Not even with your working relationship with unpopular figures at the club?

Not at all we campaigned for dialogue with the club. How are we to get our members concerns heard if we don't have any dialogue.

It makes no difference who we meet with or whether they are seen as popular, as we are going in representing our members, not for tea and biscuits to make friends.

[Amo]

Not at all we campaigned for dialogue with the club. How are we to get our members concerns heard if we don't have any dialogue.

It makes no difference who we meet with or whether they are seen as popular, as we are going in representing our members, not for tea and biscuits to make friends.

That...didn't really answer my questions.

[Happyforeverclapper]

Just to clarify the BRFCAG Have a democratically elected committee.

The reason people elect a committee is to allow them to make decisions on their behalf.

If a decision is made which members are not happy with, im sure they will be the first to contact the groups committee. RE The McKinlay statement we had plenty contacting us regarding his possible appointment and put a statement out.

We have not had one member contact us regarding that statement so despite one or two complaints on this particular forum board from NON Members , Our members never made one.

Large decisions, for e.g asking members to put their weight behind a takeover of the club from supporters must be done by ballot.

Any member at anytime can ask for anything to be added to the agenda for an AGM Prior to any AGM Taking place.

All things for discussion at the AGM will see members notified prior to such meeting being called.

No date has yet been set for the AGM for 2013. However this must be called before August 2013 which is the anniversary of the groups official membership launch

pity you didnt hold an AGM before you organised protests before , during and after games last season to vent your anger towards the owners who you now bear no grudge ! PATHETIC

[Roost]

That...didn't really answer my questions.

Are you surprised? These guys have more spin than the whole Tory party glued together.

[Happyforeverclapper]

I'm not sure if anyone has said this but can I offer a little advice to the BRAG members:

Stop trying to defend the group on here for goodness sake, you're arguing with a handful of people who won't change their minds even if you paid them. Have faith in your own group, and let it speak for itself, I fear you're making things worse instead of better.

Just my thoughts chaps.

A handful of people? Get real son... More like thousands! Do you not realise fans are fed up of these idiots representing BRFC!.proffesional people should be left to represent the club not idiots who are nothing but a bunch of amateurs!

[Amo]

I think Drog & Jim have given GAV a bit of a persecution complex, tbh.

So, in other words, GAV, you don't think an organisation which supposedly represents the fans should account for itself when people have legitimate questions regarding their policies and strategy? If they can't answer those questions with any credibility, then they shouldn't be in business. Ironic that you should espouse the notion that a group obsessed with opening dialogue with the club shouldn't reciprocate that with the fans.

[Happyforeverclapper]

Most people as someone already stated, would ignore it if they don't want to sign up. Ignoring it is much easier than filling it in, however don't let that ruin your personal agenda eh.

With all due respect, if you expect us to ballot all 8,000 members in person without email every time a decision is taken then....can you please suggest how the group funds this at over £10,000 in postage per ballot??

Correct, not only did we act on the emails from members on this, however we had many emails and posts from non-members who were expressing the same concern. Not only was it group members but the wider support base in general, whom demanded something from the only group who appears to be publishing supporters concern, or at least indeed the only group whom is to have spoken since the departure of Berg, whilst the majority of supporters lambast Shebby Singh, the BRFC Action Group remains the only group to criticise Singh publicly in the last fortnight.

I am the only person with access to the groups database, so yes i do know the names of all 8,000+ members. Whilst in alias terms i don't know who is and isn't, i have names, addresses, email addresses and telephone numbers for all our members.

8000 members!!!??? Soon to be 800 mate! How come you canal only fill one coach for away games and can you also tell people on this message board why you choose to drink at locations not frequented by fellow fans,after all we are supposed to be 'one' happy family!!!!

[jodrell]

But would you accept there's a fine line between the two and the potential for a conflict of interest?

Stop posting. Please?

Practice what you preach.

[pk1875]

8000 members!!!??? Soon to be 800 mate! How come you canal only fill one coach for away games and can you also tell people on this message board why you choose to drink at locations not frequented by fellow fans,after all we are supposed to be 'one' happy family!!!!

Membership is increasing not by massive numbers but steadily. Regarding coaches we usually take one sometimes more. I wasn't aware that the official away travel stopped at pubs en route? as for other supporter groups coaches they, as we do select a public house prior to travelling I presume, we have no idea as to where others will stop.

I think Drog & Jim have given GAV a bit of a persecution complex, tbh.

So, in other words, GAV, you don't think an organisation which supposedly represents the fans should account for itself when people have legitimate questions regarding their policies and strategy? If they can't answer those questions with any credibility, then they shouldn't be in business. Ironic that you should espouse the notion that a group obsessed with opening dialogue with the club shouldn't reciprocate that with the fans.

All of our meetings are minuted and put out for all to see, again we represent group members and we are accountable to those members.

[Ben-2000]

Can't believe some of the nit picking on here.

All I want to say is keep up the good work BRFCAG. No-one works harder for a better run football club.

[mark1875]

A handful of people? Get real son... More like thousands! Do you not realise fans are fed up of these idiots representing BRFC!.proffesional people should be left to represent the club not idiots who are nothing but a bunch of amateurs!

Represent the club?? Feel free to elaborate......

can you also tell people on this message board why you choose to drink at locations not frequented by fellow fans,after all we are supposed to be 'one' happy family!!!!

Where do i 'choose' not to drink?

One happy family? You have room to talk, you assaulted a supporter at an away match last season, Gesticulated to supporters at an away game this year whilst sat on your coach and you followed myself out of a pub at an away game this year to verbally abuse me with your foul mouthed tirade, so i am sorry but one happy family we are not, when people behave as disgracefully as you do.

[Happyforeverclapper]

PK..the real reason why your coach chooses to drink in a'selected' pub is because your a very unpopular bunch of protestors who attract trouble at away games!! Get real pal!

PK 1875...the real reason why your coach chooses to drink in a'selected' pub is because your a very unpopular bunch of protestors who attract trouble at away games!! Get real pal!

[Gav]

pity you didnt hold an AGM before you organised protests before , during and after games last season to vent your anger towards the owners who you now bear no grudge ! PATHETIC

If it wasn't for the protests that lying rat would still be at the club, you should be thankful.