[Archived] BRFC Action Group

[pk1875]

Thanks for the advice

[Mike E]

Thanks for arrogantly dismissing the whole point. Brag needs to sensibly get it's act together in the manner I described (continue your good work but stay out of the media) or else it's as trustworthy as Singh or Kean.

[Plastic Head]

The sooner Blackburn Rovers ceases to exist in its current form the better, reading this tripe.

Won't be long now.

[pk1875]

Thanks for arrogantly dismissing the whole point. Brag needs to sensibly get it's act together in the manner I described (continue your good work but stay out of the media) or else it's as trustworthy as Singh or Kean.

Wasn't being arrogant, just stating that I had read your post and took on board your opinion.

[Stuart]

The sooner Blackburn Rovers ceases to exist in its current form the better, reading this tripe. Won't be long now.

Ironincally, the people you want rid of will be amongst those fighting hardest to save the club when that day comes.

Let's just hope they can work alongside, and not against, the other main group doing the same.

[mark1875]

Mark, Glen or pk, could you at least care to answer s point I made fairly early in the thread?

Any statement put forward by a 'Blackburn Rovers Action Group' spokesman will be seen as a fan-backed statement (as opposed to members-only) in the media. That is how journo's and fans see it. Human nature, you cannot stop it. Just as how anything Cameron says is attributed to the torys.

With this specifically in mind, why does the group feel the need to give it's opinion on the manager search or any other rovers-related topic? You are speaking on behalf of every fan regardless of what you may think.

So either don't comment, or specify that you comment on behalf of whoever amongst your group complains. Eg: the McKinlay statement should have specified the reasons for it's issue (1000 complaints) etc. Anything else you say, why not specify it is YOUR opinion and help avoid the trip-ups from fans such as myself who feel they are being spoken for with statements we disagree with.

You'd be amazed how many ppl I see who ask me why I think what I do about rovers, when they have heard your opinions on tv or radio and assumed I feel the same way.

Act like the spokesmen you are rather than the protest leaders you once were.

47er - yes, I can tell an organisation when I feel there is a more competent approach it can take.

Any statement put forward to the media by the group always clearly states "our membership base" or the "members of the BRFC Action Group", if it is seen as a non group members backed statement then that is the fault of the person interpreting it as such.

We speak on behalf of the group which elected us to speak on behalf of them when issuing statements as a group. We also express personal opinions when doing so from our personal platforms and this is us representing ourselves and neither members or non-members.

The Mckinlay statement you use as an example, stated that a section of our membership base and indeed many non-members had contacted the group expressing concern, this is what happened and this was clearly stated in the statement issued upon request.

Last week people were asking us to issue statements regarding the Mcdonald and Ali rumours, however not in the same volume, and due to these being simple 'rumours' it was a different scenario entirely than the Mckinlay issue.

However i do take on board what you're saying and i assure you we have been careful to ensure we point out in all recent group statements that it is on behalf of the group and not the wider supporter-base due to this being pointed out many times previously.

[Mike E]

Any statement put forward to the media by the group always clearly states "our membership base" or the "members of the BRFC Action Group", if it is seen as a non group members backed statement then that is the fault of the person interpreting it as such.

We speak on behalf of the group which elected us to speak on behalf of them when issuing statements as a group. We also express personal opinions when doing so from our personal platforms and this is us representing ourselves and neither members or non-members.

The Mckinlay statement you use as an example, stated that a section of our membership base and indeed many non-members had contacted the group expressing concern, this is what happened and this was clearly stated in the statement issued upon request.

Last week people were asking us to issue statements regarding the Mcdonald and Ali rumours, however not in the same volume, and due to these being simple 'rumours' it was a different scenario entirely than the Mckinlay issue.

However i do take on board what you're saying and i assure you we have been careful to ensure we point out in all recent group statements that it is on behalf of the group and not the wider supporter-base due to this being pointed out many times previously.

Thank you for a more measured response

[Steve Kean's Hypnotoad]

Got my membership pack yesterday. However I do find it a tough one deciding whether there's any point to the group.

On the one hand Venkys and Singh are clearly too ignorant/arrogant to do anything just because BRAG or any other supporters group told them to do it. And what they're most likely to do is lie to BRAG and then do what they want anyway.

However if we had no supporters groups trying to do anything at any point in opposition to them since they took over, would the situation be even worse?

Regardless of these 2 sides to the argument, if there are any BRAG organisers on here I'd like to commend them on doing a cracking, very professional job with the pack. It looks excellent, the people who've put their names to it are very impressive, and its heart-warming to know there are people out there who care so much about Rovers that they would go to such time and effort.

I think some of the more abusive critics of them since they were created should remember the only reason they're doing it is because of their passionate love of Rovers.

[SouthAussieRover]

Hes certainly not the type of person I want representing me as a supporter or fronting any supporters group! Thats just my opinion, and this isnt a character assassination of that chap in any way, his commitment to the club is without question.

But Id much rather have Mr Fish and Mr Mullan running BRAG from a personal point of view.

Isn't the Ewood Blues fella now on the fans forum?

[pk1875]

Got my membership pack yesterday. However I do find it a tough one deciding whether there's any point to the group.

On the one hand Venkys and Singh are clearly too ignorant/arrogant to do anything just because BRAG or any other supporters group told them to do it. And what they're most likely to do is lie to BRAG and then do what they want anyway.

However if we had no supporters groups trying to do anything at any point in opposition to them since they took over, would the situation be even worse?

Regardless of these 2 sides to the argument, if there are any BRAG organisers on here I'd like to commend them on doing a cracking, very professional job with the pack. It looks excellent, the people who've put their names to it are very impressive, and its heart-warming to know there are people out there who care so much about Rovers that they would go to such time and effort.

I think some of the more abusive critics of them since they were created should remember the only reason they're doing it is because of their passionate love of Rovers.

Thanks for the comments re packs, they took longer than we hoped to get out, but as you can see they are well put together.

We will continue to do what we can for the love of our club.

[Mike E]

Re: your final point skht, I agree for the most part. However there remains an element of smugness in some (by no means all) of the things some brag reps say, such as Glen's little outburst a couple of nights ago.

I just hope such outbursts are not a translation into "I'm a better fan than you" as we have enough of that in the traditional fanbase.

The group has done some terrific work. I do feel it's members/spokesmen could be more careful, however.

[pk1875]

Re: your final point skht, I agree for the most part. However there remains an element of smugness in some (by no means all) of the things some brag reps say, such as Glen's little outburst a couple of nights ago.

I just hope such outbursts are not a translation into "I'm a better fan than you" as we have enough of that in the traditional fanbase.

The group has done some terrific work. I do feel it's members/spokesmen could be more careful, however.

We never intentionally come across as smug, and we will still make mistakes, but when we do they are honest mistakes and we try and learn from them.

[Happyforeverclapper]

Got my membership pack yesterday. However I do find it a tough one deciding whether there's any point to the group.

On the one hand Venkys and Singh are clearly too ignorant/arrogant to do anything just because BRAG or any other supporters group told them to do it. And what they're most likely to do is lie to BRAG and then do what they want anyway.

However if we had no supporters groups trying to do anything at any point in opposition to them since they took over, would the situation be even worse?

Regardless of these 2 sides to the argument, if there are any BRAG organisers on here I'd like to commend them on doing a cracking, very professional job with the pack. It looks excellent, the people who've put their names to it are very impressive, and its heart-warming to know there are people out there who care so much about Rovers that they would go to such time and effort.

I think some of the more abusive critics of them since they were created should remember the only reason they're doing it is because of their passionate love of Rovers.

bravo hear hear good old chap! Now could you please wipe the spaghetti hoops off your bib!

[Happyforeverclapper]

Indeed he is.

mark I do apologise for my recent outburst but there is one thing that puzzles me about your posts...why do you portray yourself as middle class ? Judging by your grammar on here one would think so!! Do you have a secretary or do you speak and think as one??

[ABBEY]

Claptrap don't comment on other folks grammar dude ... Yours is as @#/? as mine.

[47er]

So when you campaigned against Kean & McKinlay, were you representing the fans then? BRAG? Both?How do you decide this process? How do you gauge fan response to the point of taking action?Not even with your working relationship with unpopular figures at the club?

Please stop posting. Same old, over and over. Nothing you haven't said before, many times.

[glen9mullan]

http://www.brfcactiongroup.co.uk/legends-return-to-ewood/

This event will take place on the Wednesday 22nd May 2013

Its open to all Rover supporters aged 30 plus (to keep game as fair as possible)

A squad of 18 legends will take part.

All proceeds will go to former players association currently chaired by Bryan Douglas.

We are currently on the look out for Match sponsors, board sponsors, Companies/Organisations which wish to get involved.

More details will follow when available

[AndyNeil]

when you say board sponsors Glen, do you mean the advertising hoardings around the pitch?

[glen9mullan]

when you say board sponsors Glen, do you mean the advertising hoardings around the pitch?

Yes Andy

[JAL]

Can you raise the age limit to over 35'as just to make it a little fairer.

[glen9mullan]

Can you raise the age limit to over 35'as just to make it a little fairer.

The rules were stipulated by the Legends team that they wanted it to be over 30's.

Which on the balance of things is probably a fair age bracket, as this is ex professionals V normal supporters of all footballing abilities.

[Amo]

Please stop posting. Same old, over and over. Nothing you haven't said before, many times.

Because you never get a straight answer. If these people are representing the fans and the future of the club, there should be some sort of system in place. Otherwise arbitrary decisions (like campaigning against Kean/McKinlay/Agnew but not against Shebby) will be viewed with suspicion.

Carry on shilling, 47er.

[47er]

Because you never get a straight answer. If these people are representing the fans and the future of the club, there should be some sort of system in place. Otherwise arbitrary decisions (like campaigning against Kean/McKinlay/Agnew but not against Shebby) will be viewed with suspicion.Carry on shilling, 47er.

I might if I had any idea what it meant!

[Amo]

I might if I had any idea what it meant!

I'm not here to teach you how to use Google. Soz.

[Rover_Shaun]

Time to dust off your gloves and block the Appleton appointment