[Archived] BRFC Action Group

[glen9mullan]

  On 10/01/2013 at 10:52, Mercerman said:

Glen, I've told you before - I actively supported you in the early protests and praised your initiatives.

I honestly think that BRAG is now too political with its connections with Singh.

I reserve a right to express an opinion just as you seem to do on everything Rovers.

You have set yourself up as a 'leader' and you should expect to be challenged. If you can't stand the heat then get out of the kitchen.

We meet with Singh, Agnew and Shaw.

How does putting a statement out stating that the whole board room circus is out of hand, and that as a group we intend to break off all communication with the club benefit Singh or Venkys.

We do not eat candy out of their hands and have tried different approaches at trying to educate those with the keys. All efforts, be that hostile, around a table or through email communication has had no effect what so ever, Every decision is worse than the last.

We could just sit back and go and have monthly meetings and allow the club to continue to burn, or we can be pro-active about it, as we always have been a put the pressure on.

The very same pressure IMO which had a drastic effect on Venkys share prices last year.

The club aint just gonna suddenly come to its senses. More and more supporters are staying away, and the longer the 3 at the club continue to work against each other the quicker this club will slide

[LeChuck]

  On 10/01/2013 at 10:42, glen9mullan said:

You don't half do some trolling, Rather than moaning about everything we do, get up off ur backside and do something about it yourself, your post and constant digs are just tiresome

Planning a protest against appointing a manager who is a well respected young manager and is already managing a fellow Championship club with promotion ambitions is disgusting behaviour.

There is absolutely no benefit to the club in this protest. None at all. All it does is dirty the reputation of all Rovers supporters. Do you not have any idea how this will make our club be perceived to the rest of the football world?

If you want to make a stand against Venky's then fine, do it. But protesting against someone like Appleton is beyond a joke, I can't even find a word to describe how stupid it is.

[BuckyRover]

  On 10/01/2013 at 11:02, LeChuck said:

Planning a protest against appointing a manager who is a well respected young manager and is already managing a fellow Championship club with promotion ambitions is disgusting behaviour.

There is absolutely no benefit to the club in this protest. None at all. All it does is dirty the reputation of all Rovers supporters. Do you not have any idea how this will make our club be perceived to the rest of the football world?

If you want to make a stand against Venky's then fine, do it. But protesting against someone like Appleton is beyond a joke, I can't even find a word to describe how stupid it is.

+1000

[chaddyrovers]

Glen. i wouldnt be against Appleton as manager.

think BRAG didnt need to put out a statement about Appleton. why didnt u not put one out against Taylor possible appointment but one against Mckinlay?

[SouthAussieRover]

  On 10/01/2013 at 11:00, glen9mullan said:

We meet with Singh, Agnew and Shaw.

How does putting a statement out stating that the whole board room circus is out of hand, and that as a group we intend to break off all communication with the club benefit Singh or Venkys.

We do not eat candy out of their hands and have tried different approaches at trying to educate those with the keys. All efforts, be that hostile, around a table or through email communication has had no effect what so ever, Every decision is worse than the last.

We could just sit back and go and have monthly meetings and allow the club to continue to burn, or we can be pro-active about it, as we always have been a put the pressure on.

The very same pressure IMO which had a drastic effect on Venkys share prices last year.

The club aint just gonna suddenly come to its senses. More and more supporters are staying away, and the longer the 3 at the club continue to work against each other the quicker this club will slide

Your meetings seem to be achieving the square root of @#/? all.

BRAG or whatever you're called these days is at point of being yesterday's news.

[glen9mullan]

  On 10/01/2013 at 11:02, LeChuck said:

Planning a protest against appointing a manager who is a well respected young manager and is already managing a fellow Championship club with promotion ambitions is disgusting behaviour.

There is absolutely no benefit to the club in this protest. None at all. All it does is dirty the reputation of all Rovers supporters. Do you not have any idea how this will make our club be perceived to the rest of the football world?

If you want to make a stand against Venky's then fine, do it. But protesting against someone like Appleton is beyond a joke, I can't even find a word to describe how stupid it is.

Could you please find where it says we are gonna have a protest???

[rovers_rob]

The politics are a disgrace but your statement is targeting potential new managers. I'm sorry but I completely disagree with this approach.

As fans we all have opinions on the next manager but to say you will step up the campaign against venkys if Appleton is appointed is wrong.

I wouldn't be to unhappy if he was appointed. Is that wrong ? Do I need to release a press statement to get my own opinion across ?

Its just adding to the chaos in my opinion.

[SouthAussieRover]

  On 10/01/2013 at 11:06, chaddyrovers said:

Glen. i wouldnt Appleton as manager.

think BRAG didnt need to put out a statement about Appleton. why didnt u not put one out against Taylor possible appointment but one against Mckinlay?

Slow down Chaddy and use the spell checker.

[St_Jimmy_77]

  On 10/01/2013 at 11:02, LeChuck said:

Planning a protest against appointing a manager who is a well respected young manager and is already managing a fellow Championship club with promotion ambitions is disgusting behaviour.

There is absolutely no benefit to the club in this protest. None at all. All it does is dirty the reputation of all Rovers supporters. Do you not have any idea how this will make our club be perceived to the rest of the football world?

If you want to make a stand against Venky's then fine, do it. But protesting against someone like Appleton is beyond a joke, I can't even find a word to describe how stupid it is.

Have to say I am fully in agreement with this post!

[glen9mullan]

  On 10/01/2013 at 11:06, chaddyrovers said:

Glen. i wouldnt Appleton as manager.

think BRAG didnt need to put out a statement about Appleton. why didnt u not put one out against Taylor possible appointment but one against Mckinlay?

As Mark has already stated, Taylor was a rumour, the other 2 were official approaches

[Mike E]

I made this point earlier and I'll make it again, BRAG:

The Blackburn Rovers Action Group is speaking indirectly on my behalf once again in the LET. The group's name implies it represents all fans, regardless of what disclaimers you put out. Please STOP putting words into the mouths of thousands who want nothing to do with it. You only have 8000 members or so. I really don't see why you feel the need to put ANY statement out about ANYTHING.

In your position, you should be putting your concerns to the club in PRIVATE rather than issuing statements that are half-fabrication. No, Appleton is not inspiring, but nor would he be an awful choice.

If you could do things in private and not in public, then you'd have more credibility. If you would only act when OVER HALF of your members express concern, then you'd have more credibility. At the moment the organisation has about as much reliability as the Next Rovers Manager odds.

Why do the knee-jerk reactions of only 12% of your members matter more than the bigger picture, which is a fanbase of roughly 60k in the local area and (at a rough guess) about double that across the world?

[glen9mullan]

  On 10/01/2013 at 11:08, St_Jimmy_77 said:

Have to say I am fully in agreement with this post!

Someone else who has not read the press release

[Elegia]

  On 10/01/2013 at 11:02, LeChuck said:

Planning a protest against appointing a manager who is a well respected young manager and is already managing a fellow Championship club with promotion ambitions is disgusting behaviour.

There is absolutely no benefit to the club in this protest. None at all. All it does is dirty the reputation of all Rovers supporters. Do you not have any idea how this will make our club be perceived to the rest of the football world?

If you want to make a stand against Venky's then fine, do it. But protesting against someone like Appleton is beyond a joke, I can't even find a word to describe how stupid it is.

If you read the statement from BRAG properly......... I think it quite clearly states that a stand will be made against venkys, no mention of a protest against an appointment - purely more focus on pressurising the owners to sell up.

"Shall this appointment be made the BRFC Action Group will end all communication with the clubs board of directors and step up its campaign for Venkateshwara Hatcheries to sell the club as we seek responsible owners for Blackburn Rovers”

[pk1875]

  On 10/01/2013 at 11:02, LeChuck said:

Planning a protest against appointing a manager who is a well respected young manager and is already managing a fellow Championship club with promotion ambitions is disgusting behaviour.

There is absolutely no benefit to the club in this protest. None at all. All it does is dirty the reputation of all Rovers supporters. Do you not have any idea how this will make our club be perceived to the rest of the football world?

If you want to make a stand against Venky's then fine, do it. But protesting against someone like Appleton is beyond a joke, I can't even find a word to describe how stupid it is.

Please point out to us all where we have planned to have a protest.

[Tom]

It's just all a bit confusing from the outside that's all, on the 1st January Glen said:

'Its not the supporters job to pick who the manager is'

And

'Supporters don't pick managers the club does, and I hope when the new guy come in, he ain't tried and committed before he even gets chance to show us what he can do'

Then today the above two sentiments are blown out of the water, I know the group acts on what it's members want but surely it's going against some principles there?

I don't expect Appleton to be appointed anyway but if he is this makes it very hard for him from the get go

[St_Jimmy_77]

  On 10/01/2013 at 11:10, glen9mullan said:

Someone else who has not read the press release

I read every one Glen; so don't try and antagonise me based on an assumption you've made which is wholly incorrect.

[Mercer]

  On 10/01/2013 at 11:00, glen9mullan said:

We meet with Singh, Agnew and Shaw.

How does putting a statement out stating that the whole board room circus is out of hand, and that as a group we intend to break off all communication with the club benefit Singh or Venkys.

We do not eat candy out of their hands and have tried different approaches at trying to educate those with the keys. All efforts, be that hostile, around a table or through email communication has had no effect what so ever, Every decision is worse than the last.

We could just sit back and go and have monthly meetings and allow the club to continue to burn, or we can be pro-active about it, as we always have been a put the pressure on.

The very same pressure IMO which had a drastic effect on Venkys share prices last year.

The club aint just gonna suddenly come to its senses. More and more supporters are staying away, and the longer the 3 at the club continue to work against each other the quicker this club will slide

But all this has stemmed from Appleton's potential appointment.

Why not when Berg appointed ?

Why nothing when Taylor heavily linked ? Instead, you came on here trying to justify a Taylor appointment and saying BRAG should not get involved with managerial appointments !

So again, why all this about Appleton who is very highly respected by no less than the likes of Sir Alex Ferguson and the England manager, Roy Hodgson.

To me, your approach does not add-up and you wonder why supporters challenge you.

There should be no protest about Appleton. Accept his appointment, get behind him and see what he does.

[Mike E]

  On 10/01/2013 at 11:10, Elegia said:

"Shall this appointment be made the BRFC Action Group will end all communication with the clubs board of directors and step up its campaign for Venkateshwara Hatcheries to sell the club as we seek responsible owners for Blackburn Rovers”

Find me a better example of saying 'We don't want Michael Appleton'. That quote is a knee jerk reaction (while aimed at the owners) to Appleton's appointment, which means they are against Appleton. And for no reason other than the knee-jerks of keyboard warriors.

[pk1875]

  On 10/01/2013 at 11:12, Tom M said:

It's just all a bit confusing from the outside that's all, on the 1st January Glen said:

'Its not the supporters job to pick who the manager is'

And

'Supporters don't pick managers the club does, and I hope when the new guy come in, he ain't tried and committed before he even gets chance to show us what he can do'

Then today the above two sentiments are blown out of the water, I know the group acts on what it's members want but surely it's going against some principles there?

I don't expect Appleton to be appointed anyway but if he is this makes it very hard for him from the get go

It comes with being an elected committee, we have to follow our membership on certain things whether we personally feel the same way or not.

[glen9mullan]

  On 10/01/2013 at 11:12, Tom M said:

It's just all a bit confusing from the outside that's all, on the 1st January Glen said:

'Its not the supporters job to pick who the manager is'

And

'Supporters don't pick managers the club does, and I hope when the new guy come in, he ain't tried and committed before he even gets chance to show us what he can do'

Then today the above two sentiments are blown out of the water, I know the group acts on what it's members want but surely it's going against some principles there?

I don't expect Appleton to be appointed anyway but if he is this makes it very hard for him from the get go

There you have it Tom, Glen said, You do this constantly recently, I'm allowed my own opinion, when it comes to group business we have to go with a collective opinion which may not always be my opinion or that of the rest of the committees

[rovers_rob]

  On 10/01/2013 at 11:11, pk1875 said:

Please point out to us all where we have planned to have a protest.

Its not about protests, its about statements coming out against potential managers that is the problem. Stepping up the campaign against venkys could mean anything but naturally people will assume protests. Why wouldn't they ? That's what happened last season.

By all means comment about the disgraceful politics but please stop mentioning managers.

[glen9mullan]

  On 10/01/2013 at 11:12, St_Jimmy_77 said:

I read every one Glen; so don't try and antagonise me based on an assumption you've made which is wholly incorrect.

I dnt need to antagonise you, it does not mention a protest, so you are agreeing with a post which states we are gonna protest

[Mike E]

  On 10/01/2013 at 11:14, pk1875 said:

It comes with being an elected committee, we have to follow our membership on certain things whether we personally feel the same way or not.

But you don't follow your membership. Last time you went against the opinion of 88% of your members (using your own logic). You are knee-jerking and nothing more.

  On 10/01/2013 at 11:16, glen9mullan said:

I dnt need to antagonise you, it does not mention a protest, so you are agreeing with a post which states we are gonna protest

Yes, you are antagonising him. He read between the lines like every other intelligent being can. What other assumption can be taken from the phrase 'action against Venkys' when it's made by a group famous for organising protests?

[Tom]

  On 10/01/2013 at 11:14, glen9mullan said:

There you have it Tom, Glen said, You do this constantly recently, I'm allowed my own opinion, when it comes to group business we have to go with a collective opinion which may not always be my opinion or that of the rest of the committees

Fair enough, we are all worried in our own ways, we know you can't get everything right and you will be praised when people agree and criticised when they don't its just the nature of the beast.

I'm just concerned that the statement put out will make it harder for him if he is appointed as he will be under excessive pressure from day one

[pk1875]

  On 10/01/2013 at 11:16, darrenermike said:

But you don't follow your membership. Last time you went against the opinion of 88% of your members (using your own logic). You are knee-jerking and nothing more.

That is pedantic in the extreme mike, in reference to BM you imply 88% of our members wanted us to sit back and do nothing? When such large numbers contact us in such a short space of time we cannot just ignore it.