[Archived] BRFC Action Group

[RibbleValleyRover]

  On 10/01/2013 at 14:18, PAFELL said:

Correct. Sod all to do with anybody else. Shaw - like him or not - is in the job. He stands and falls on his choices.

For Shaw to make the approach to Blackpool last night. He must have been given the green light to do so. Maybe this came from his trip to Pune. Maybe his role was rediffined when he went to see venkys. Shebby Singh, may have had the role when he did the interview. But it appears something has changed.

Even if Rovers can't afford to make anymore bad decisions (which in my view giving Appleton the job will be)? Shaw might get the sack if the appointment fails but what about Rovers? We are talking about a club here that is losing a hell of a lot of money per month.

[philipl]

Hope PK gets well soon.

He is obviously as sick as the rest of us.

[LeChuck]

  On 10/01/2013 at 14:10, Paul said:

That's quite interesting, and I would agree with you, however when I was in the Radio Lancashire theatre at the Shebby Singh Q&A, he (Shebby) stated quite openly that his (Shebby) role was that of the JW figure.

So there lies the problem

I wasn't aware of that. At least this signifies they might have taken that power away from Shebby then (although I wouldn't trust anything that comes out of his mouth to start with).

Given that Shaw is the only one with any experience of running a Championship club at that level then he's the only one who should be making those decisions. Although, by that criteria, Singh would be good for nothing other than his frequent radio and television appearances.

[gazsimm]

let's face it if the venkys was not at our club, this group would of never started. I agree with some points the group are making and some i don't. But what every fan at this club should agree on is that we need the Venkys out sooner rather then later, because we these people in charge we will never get back to when the club it use to run the right way.

[3rdpillar]

Totaly lost as to what th'action group are about now, I thought I knew but I was wrong. They seem now to be getting upset, where as for a few months they have been happy.

[AggyBlue]

I had hoped for some sensible discussion, with questions such as:

How can two directors make an important decision without other directors knowing

Why has Shaw changed his mind from wanting an experienced manager

Why does Mrs D seem to buckle in face to face discussions and give in to the others wishes ( we saw this a lot with Kean)

And many other important questions that need to be asked over this approach to Appleton

What do I see after suffering trawling through pages and pages, the usual BRAG bashing.

Disgusting, fans are not the issues we need to be talking about

[rovers_rob]

  On 10/01/2013 at 14:44, AggyBlue said:

I had hoped for some sensible discussion, with questions such as:

How can two directors make an important decision without other directors knowing

Why has Shaw changed his mind from wanting an experienced manager

Why does Mrs D seem to buckle in face to face discussions and give in to the others wishes ( we saw this a lot with Kean)

And many other important questions that need to be asked over this approach to Appleton

What do I see after suffering trawling through pages and pages, the usual BRAG bashing.

Disgusting, fans are not the issues we need to be talking about

BRAG bashing ? Disgusting ? Give it a rest, that's why I am sick and tired of all the groups.

Are we not allowed to have an opinion anymore without it being disgusting ?

The BRAG statement stated :

Yet again boardroom politics and personality clashes are making the clubs search for a new manager a complete farce and once again despite previous, costly mistakes, the Board of Directors chosen candidate is far from what the supporters deem as the man needed.

I am a supporter and I have an opinion.

For what its worth I agree with what BRAG are saying but I don't agree with them mentioning the manager. If that is BRAG bashing and disgusting then so be it.

[AggyBlue]

  On 10/01/2013 at 15:20, rovers_rob said:

BRAG bashing ? Disgusting ? Give it a rest, that's why I am sick and tired of all the groups.

Are we not allowed to have an opinion anymore without it being disgusting ?

The BRAG statement stated :

Yet again boardroom politics and personality clashes are making the clubs search for a new manager a complete farce and once again despite previous, costly mistakes, the Board of Directors chosen candidate is far from what the supporters deem as the man needed.

I am a supporter and I have an opinion.

Get on with the real issues then, supporters of the club aren't the ones destroying it

[pick32]

You can sum up BRAG In the words of the great Brian Conley "It's a puppet!"

[rovers_rob]

  On 10/01/2013 at 15:23, AggyBlue said:

Get on with the real issues then, supporters of the club aren't the ones destroying it

Who has said supporters are destroying the club ? I am disagreeing with a statement that claimed that all supporters don't see Appleton as a fit candidate and I think a lot of other people are as well.

Why have people got such a problem with that ?

[AggyBlue]

  On 10/01/2013 at 15:32, rovers_rob said:

Who has said supporters are destroying the club ? I am disagreeing with a statement that claimed that all supporters don't see Appleton as a fit candidate and I think a lot of other people are as well.

Why have people got such a problem with that ?

Of all the problems down at Rovers, too many people seem to be more concerned with what a bunch of fans say.

Sorry but I can't get my head around Why.

[Roost]

  On 10/01/2013 at 16:00, AggyBlue said:

Of all the problems down at Rovers, too many people seem to be more concerned with what a bunch of fans say.

Sorry but I can't get my head around Why.

Because they are hindering a process, because they are too involved, because they are influencing key decision makers within the club, because they are dividing supporters not uniting them. Need I continue??

Get your head out of the sand Aggy, for Gods sake.

[ABBEY]

  On 10/01/2013 at 15:27, pick32 said:

You can sum up BRAG In the words of the great Brian Conley "It's a puppet!"

the great??

[Paul]

  On 10/01/2013 at 15:20, rovers_rob said:

BRAG bashing ? Disgusting ? Give it a rest, that's why I am sick and tired of all the groups.

Rob only picked your post because it reminded me of a point I've been meaning to make for a while. Fans talk about being "fed up with the groups" or words to that effect when in fact there is only one group. I've been at a bit of a loss about this feeling people have for some time but what exists is this:

• BRAG who go about there business and represent a membership
• Fans Forum which is a body of concerned fans who have talked to the club for perhaps ten years on often quite minor issues which are a problem for sections of the support
• Rovers Trust a body which would like to purchase a part or all of the club, a unique objective amongst the support
• Numerous fans "travel groups" (again for want of a better word) like Ewood Blues and Darwen Blues which are basically groups of fans drinking, travellin and watching together and make no pretence about representing anyone

I think it's worth realising the concept of "all these groups" is somewhat incorrect

[pk1875]

  On 10/01/2013 at 14:30, philipl said:

Hope PK gets well soon.

He is obviously as sick as the rest of us.

????

[Ricky]

I didn't get it either PK.

[rovers_rob]

  On 10/01/2013 at 16:24, Paul said:

Rob only picked your post because it reminded me of a point I've been meaning to make for a while. Fans talk about being "fed up with the groups" or words to that effect when in fact there is only one group. I've been at a bit of a loss about this feeling people have for some time but what exists is this:

• BRAG who go about there business and represent a membership
• Fans Forum which is a body of concerned fans who have talked to the club for perhaps ten years on often quite minor issues which are a problem for sections of the support
• Rovers Trust a body which would like to purchase a part or all of the club, a unique objective amongst the support
• Numerous fans "travel groups" (again for want of a better word) like Ewood Blues and Darwen Blues which are basically groups of fans drinking, travellin and watching together and make no pretence about representing anyone

I think it's worth realising the concept of "all these groups" is somewhat incorrect

Sorry Paul you are correct and it was a throw away comment (i have done it before I will not do it again !)

I should have been more specific and said I am not happy that BRAG have issued a press release stating that Appleton was far from what the supporters deem as the man needed.

As "a supporter" I disagree with this.

Apparently if you disagree with the statement you are BRAG bashing, disgusting and more concerned with what "a bunch of fans" are saying rather than looking at the real issues.

I am just sick and tired of the whole thing and I think I should be quiet now !

[Ewoodbhappy]

  On 10/01/2013 at 11:00, glen9mullan said:

We meet with Singh, Agnew and Shaw.

How does putting a statement out stating that the whole board room circus is out of hand, and that as a group we intend to break off all communication with the club benefit Singh or Venkys.

We do not eat candy out of their hands and have tried different approaches at trying to educate those with the keys. All efforts, be that hostile, around a table or through email communication has had no effect what so ever, Every decision is worse than the last.

We could just sit back and go and have monthly meetings and allow the club to continue to burn, or we can be pro-active about it, as we always have been a put the pressure on.

The very same pressure IMO which had a drastic effect on Venkys share prices last year.

The club aint just gonna suddenly come to its senses. More and more supporters are staying away, and the longer the 3 at the club continue to work against each other the quicker this club will slide

100% agree.

At the moment the team manager / coach is a side show.

We are shown on a daily basis how inept / incompetant / self indulging our board of directors & owners are.

They are the problem.

Support the team - take action against the off field lunatics.

[Ricky]

"While one man has tried to pull the club off the floor others in the board room have turned the club into a national laughing stock by undermining him"

I didn't see that in the press release on the telegraph but it appears on the BBC site?????

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/20973892

Did BRAG actually say that about Shebby??

[Tyke87]

  On 10/01/2013 at 18:47, Ricky said:

"While one man has tried to pull the club off the floor others in the board room have turned the club into a national laughing stock by undermining him"

I didn't see that in the press release on the telegraph but it appears on the BBC site?????

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/20973892

Did BRAG actually say that about Shebby??

I noticed that on the BBC story. If they did say that it's ridiculous and clearer than ever where their priorities are and it certainly isn't with ridding the club of Venkys it's keeping Shebby sweet. If they didn't then I apologise.

[Ricky]

Agreed. If they didn't say it fair enough. But if that was part of the press release it would seem more than a little odd.

Unless they had all those messages last night saying 'we don't want Appleton but Shebby is a hero!!'

[DE.]

  On 10/01/2013 at 13:41, den said:

Just on this one point - why do you say that?

You don't think the way we've gone about the Appleton appointment has been underhanded or unprofessional? By all accounts Bowyer & co are being treated like crap (as has become the norm for loyal employees), the board room is at war over who to appoint, and we put out a public statement saying we're interested in Blackpool's manager despite having apparently not gained their permission to do so originally. This would not have happened under JW, I can guarantee that, because the man knew the value of being a professional.

  On 10/01/2013 at 13:44, LeChuck said:

To answer that hypothetical last question...yes. Shaw is essentially in the role that John Williams held and should be making the decision on the new manager.

Who else should be deciding? Certainly not Shebby Singh. Certainly not Paul Agnew. And I'm not talking personally there, I'm talking about their roles within the club structure.

If Shaw makes a balls up then hopefully they'll appoint someone else in his position. But for the time being, allowing Shaw to make such a decision is a step in the right direction in terms of having a proper structure in place.

If I don't think Derek Shaw is qualified to be in JW's position (not that he is, that's supposed to be Shebby) then why would I accept his choice of manager if I disapprove of it? The position is not what's important, it's the man or woman in the position that makes it valid or invalid. Shaw, along with Agnew and Shebby, are a joke. They couldn't run a football club to save their lives and whilst Shaw may be the best of a bad bunch he is still not adequate for his role and certainly not adequate to choose our next manager. As Kamy has said multiple times, all of these buffoons need to go. The structure means absolutely nothing if the right people aren't in place to make it work. Shaw isn't the right person and therefore I do not have to accept his choice of manager. I would hope BRFCAG, having been especially close to the club recently, hold the same opinion hence their strongly-worded statement - which I wholeheartedly agree with.

And before anyone accuses them of being in love with Shebby, let's not forget the Action Group also put statements out regarding Shebby's awful choices last time too.

The argument back of course will be "supporters shouldn't get involved with picking the manager or influence the process", but quite frankly when you have a bunch of rank amateurs running the show they probably should. The three morons we have in the "board room" are an utter joke and I despair for anybody who trusts them to make a decision that will in any way benefit this club.

And by the way, should Shaw balls up this decision I doubt he'll be sacked. Shebby's still here after the Berg fiasco, isn't he?

[Speedie Dived]

  On 10/01/2013 at 18:47, Ricky said:

"While one man has tried to pull the club off the floor others in the board room have turned the club into a national laughing stock by undermining him"

I didn't see that in the press release on the telegraph but it appears on the BBC site?????

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/20973892

Did BRAG actually say that about Shebby??

Just read the exact same article and had to check the LET one. Bang goes another huge slice of credibility. Would not surprise me if Shebby proof read it before it went out.

[Black Burn]

  On 10/01/2013 at 18:50, Tyke87 said:

I noticed that on the BBC story. If they did say that it's ridiculous and clearer than ever where their priorities are and it certainly isn't with ridding the club of Venkys it's keeping Shebby sweet. If they didn't then I apologise.

  On 10/01/2013 at 19:05, Speedie Dived said:

Just read the exact same article and had to check the LET one. Bang goes another huge slice of credibility. Would not surprise me if Shebby proof read it before it went out.

You guys make me laugh. It's obvious they are referring to Gary Bowyer. The statement separated the one man from the boardroom, and the first person that should come to mind is Gary Bowyer (though it should be two if you want to include Terry McPhillips). Unless you guys are saying Gary Bowyer didn't do a hell of a job and pulled the club off the floor, which would send me floored with the utter ridiculousness that has been engulfing our club since Venkys took over..

Sometimes people are so blinded by their hatred (okay, maybe that's too strong a word) or whatever that they see weird faults in perfectly innocent statements.

[den]

  On 10/01/2013 at 19:03, DE4life said:

You don't think the way we've gone about the Appleton appointment has been underhanded or unprofessional? By all accounts Bowyer & co are being treated like crap (as has become the norm for loyal employees), the board room is at war over who to appoint, and we put out a public statement saying we're interested in Blackpool's manager despite having apparently not gained their permission to do so originally. This would not have happened under JW, I can guarantee that, because the man knew the value of being a professional.

If I don't think Derek Shaw is qualified to be in JW's position (not that he is, that's supposed to be Shebby) then why would I accept his choice of manager if I disapprove of it? The position is not what's important, it's the man or woman in the position that makes it valid or invalid. Shaw, along with Agnew and Shebby, are a joke. They couldn't run a football club to save their lives and whilst Shaw may be the best of a bad bunch he is still not adequate for his role and certainly not adequate to choose our next manager. As Kamy has said multiple times, all of these buffoons need to go. The structure means absolutely nothing if the right people aren't in place to make it work. Shaw isn't the right person and therefore I do not have to accept his choice of manager. I would hope BRFCAG, having been especially close to the club recently, hold the same opinion hence their strongly-worded statement - which I wholeheartedly agree with.

And before anyone accuses them of being in love with Shebby, let's not forget the Action Group also put statements out regarding Shebby's awful choices last time too.

The argument back of course will be "supporters shouldn't get involved with picking the manager or influence the process", but quite frankly when you have a bunch of rank amateurs running the show they probably should. The three morons we have in the "board room" are an utter joke and I despair for anybody who trusts them to make a decision that will in any way benefit this club.

And by the way, should Shaw balls up this decision I doubt he'll be sacked. Shebby's still here after the Berg fiasco, isn't he?

That was a very inclusive post GE4Life.

No, I don't see much wrong with the way Shaw has gone about things. You could argue that he shouldn't have put out that statement last night, but the odds are that he was just putting it into the public domain before it came from elsewhere - which it inevitably would have done - speculation was already rife that Appleton was on Rovers wish list. What else has he done wrong? I don't see anything at all.

As for Bowyer, well he'd said he didn't want the job and was told about the move [granted, only a little] earlier. All stand in managers are open to a full time manager replacing them at any given moment.