[Archived] BRFC Action Group

[Blue n White Rover]

If I remember correctly, BRAG had a similar problem the last time round when the media manipulated their statement on McKinlay (I think?).

It seems to me as though you have no expertise on how to run an 'Action Group' and in my opinion you are tarnishing the reputation of Blackburn Rovers even further.

[OJRovers]

Right for 6 months since the trips the authorities we have tried a whole new strategy.

We then complied a dossier of over 400 pages, this went to the FA, Premier League, Football League and its content was deemed appropriate to be taken to Parliament.

We was very aware we had a good case but more was needed.

What was the best way to do this? I think that answer is obvious.

Everyday I read the same things from supporters who have chosen to do nothing, supporters who would rather blame those for doing things, than do something themselves.

Work it out for yourselves, a number of posters on here are fully aware why we have changed approach, why we are done what we have done, and why we are exactly on course of a fixed plan we put together. Including a timeline.

I have probably written too much here now, but remember with each post and comment you have pushed for this!!!!!!

Glen could you expand on what the course of action is, what it is trying to achieve and the timescale?

It might stop people having a go if things were clearer.

[Elegia]

I can see why the group changed approach, it doesn't take a genius to work out and imho it is worthwhile - softly soflty catchy monkey as they say.

[Parsonblue]

Glen you say that "with each post and comment you have pushed for this!!!!!" What exactly is 'this'? Not a dig in anyway just a request for clarification of your last post.

[Exiled in Toronto]

Thank you. It's probably much easier if you have the whole press release in front of you. Problem is the paragraph before the one causing all the debate on the BBC site spoke about Agnew shaw and Singh so you can see why it has read that way.

As I said before the punctuation is the issue, that missing comma changes the meaning completely.

I would recommend BRAG's Communications Officer buys a copy of Lynne Truss's "Eats, Shoots and Leaves" to grasp the importance of the comma in establishing meaning.

[roverzee]

Work it out for yourselves, a number of posters on here are fully aware why we have changed approach, why we are done what we have done, and why we are exactly on course of a fixed plan we put together. Including a timeline.

Where in this fixed plan and timeline does it say "Shaw appoints Appleton as Manager of Blackburn Rovers"?

Is it January 2013?

[Ricky]

And after all that GM has now tweeted that this appointment was nothing to do with Shaw or Agnew.

[Proudtobeblue&white]

Yes, what is "this" - talk about the FA, as a passionate, longstanding 49 year old supporter, who just wants to enjoy the Ewood experience, please let us in on it!

[St_Jimmy_77]

And after all that GM has now tweeted that this appointment was nothing to do with Shaw or Agnew.

Phew - that's okay then ;-)

[PAFELL]

I have no choice but to leave it to the Blackburn Rovers Action Group to clarify who that one man is. I apologize if I was the one who was mistaken and they really meant Shebby Singh.

However, I have good reason to believe that they were talking about Gary Bowyer......though that isn't something I can guarantee.

Gary bowyer is not part of the boardroom. Read the article again.

[AlanK]

Had people decided just for moment to learn about the group and speak with us, then perhaps you would be more informed of what the group is doing.

Its all about having confidence in who represents you. I do not ask you to lift a finger for me so you will get no thanks. I make my protest in other ways.

You have been played from day one. Keep the enemy close. They have put you in the same bloody building.

And then there is integrity. Somewhere on this messageboard which I can not be bothered to go hunting for you stated " if an experienced manager is not appointed you would resign from your position at BRAG".

Any thoughts?

[Mercer]

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[RevidgeBlue]

And then there is integrity. Somewhere on this messageboard which I can not be bothered to go hunting for you stated " if an experienced manager is not appointed you would resign from your position at BRAG".

Any thoughts?

Exactly.

[AlanK]

That is pedantic in the extreme mike, in reference to BM you imply 88% of our members wanted us to sit back and do nothing? When such large numbers contact us in such a short space of time we cannot just ignore it.

Words fail me.

[Ewoodbhappy]

Right for 6 months since the trips the authorities we have tried a whole new strategy.

When protest started people kicked off, it was easier to blame the people protesting that to actually do anything themselves, did we give in? No we did not.

We then complied a dossier of over 400 pages, this went to the FA, Premier League, Football League and its content was deemed appropriate to be taken to Parliament.

Not one single supporter outside the Action Group provided any evidence, but numerous on these very boards discussed corruption, wrong doings. Yet when the time to deliver came, nothing but fantasies, and nothing since.

We was very aware we had a good case but more was needed.

What was the best way to do this? I think that answer is obvious.

Everyday I read the same things from supporters who have chosen to do nothing, supporters who would rather blame those for doing things, than do something themselves.

If I had the choice to do things this way again, believe me 100% I would have approached things the exact same way? Why you may ask?

Work it out for yourselves, a number of posters on here are fully aware why we have changed approach, why we are done what we have done, and why we are exactly on course of a fixed plan we put together. Including a timeline.

The hatred in the supporter base, makes us all feel at times, why do we bother?

However our love for our club and determination to bring everyone accountable for their actions of the 2 last years will not wilt until justice is done.

Had people decided just for moment to learn about the group and speak with us, then perhaps you would be more informed of what the group is doing.

I have probably written too much here now, but remember with each post and comment you have pushed for this!!!!!!

It's being quoted on the other threads from Kammy that Appleton is now an SEM client.

I have took on board the post above and tweets reference the appointment.

It is time, to put all out.

You have done your best, with the clubs best interest at heart.

[AlanK]

Posted by glen9mullan on 29 December 2012 - 02:37 AM in Football Messageboard ( New manager )

"He will be experienced or you can have my resignation from the Action Group"

[Blue blood]

The statement on the bbc clearly reads as it's shebby who is the one trying to lift the club off the floor. TBH seeing how pro-shabby BRAG are, I strongly suspect that that is who they meant; or at least, that that is how it would read.

If they're saying it really is meant to be bowyer - there are much, much clearer ways of saying so. Indeed, it's hard to get more ambiguous as to who the one is, As Ricky states a comma would make a world of difference, but let's be honest, it could be said far more clearly and much easier if it's not meant to referring to a board member.

Such statements are undermining Rovers credability - they really are following in the footsteps of their hero shabby.

[glen9mullan]

Posted by glen9mullan on 29 December 2012 - 02:37 AM in Football Messageboard ( New manager )

"He will be experienced or you can have my resignation from the Action Group"

Third Managers post, I would class that as experienced. Its not his first job and no-one could have predicted the course of events which have lead to this.

The fact the decision has come direct from India with no Ewood influence now puts a question mark over everyone at Ewood

[Sparky Marky]

Resign you fool and knock the whole thing on the head. I had your number from the start. None of you can construct a paragraph never mind comms officer....

Third Managers post, I would class that as experienced. Its not his first job and no-one could have predicted the course of events which have lead to this.

The fact the decision has come direct from India with no Ewood influence now puts a question mark over everyone at Ewood

He has your groups support does he? Appleton.

[AlanK]

Third Managers post, I would class that as experienced. Its not his first job and no-one could have predicted the course of events which have lead to this.

The fact the decision has come direct from India with no Ewood influence now puts a question mark over everyone at Ewood

And there goes your integrity. The guy has less than 2 seasons worth of games under his belt. You have shown your true colours. Thanks

[RevidgeBlue]

Third Managers post, I would class that as experienced. Its not his first job and no-one could have predicted the course of events which have lead to this.

The fact the decision has come direct from India with no Ewood influence now puts a question mark over everyone at Ewood

Nonsense.

Your group went ballistic over the potential appointment of McKinlay, and we ended up with the only slightly more experienced Berg which didn't work.

Now the proposed appointee is another relatively inexperienced man and you are trying to pretend you didn't make your grandiose boast or at least pretend Appleton is "experienced" to safeguard your position.

[philipl]

This clearly has not been the most glorious chapter in the history of the action group.

At some point we are all going to need to pull together as supporters as there will undoubtedly be far worse crises ahead. Some might be closer than anyone expects. I just hope BRAG realise their press release dropped Rovers supporters into a hole through its ambiguity and please stop digging an ever deeper hole.

[Black Burn]

And there goes your integrity. The guy has less than 2 seasons worth of games under his belt. You have shown your true colours. Thanks

Yes, Glen has shown his integrity by resigning from the Group (he has already announced it, by the way). On the other hand, your comments show a lack of manners, tact and civility.

Resign you fool and knock the whole thing on the head. I had your number from the start. None of you can construct a paragraph never mind comms officer....

He has your groups support does he? Appleton.

Nonsense.

Your group went ballistic over the potential appointment of McKinlay, and we ended up with the only slightly more experienced Berg which didn't work.

Now the proposed appointee is another relatively inexperienced man and you are trying to pretend you didn't make your grandiose boast or at least pretend Appleton is "experienced" to safeguard your position.

Jesus Christ, none of you read the BRAG statement that they released where they specified that they would not approve Appleton's appointment and would take further action if he gets the job. If you guys want to make accusations like that, at least get things right. Please.

This is getting ridiculous. First Kean was vilified, and deservedly so, and then Shebby Singh gets it though he deserved it for screwing up with the Berg appointment, and now everyone's turning on BRAG. It seems to me that people wants a scapegoat to crucify and burn at stake more than anything else. Stop blaming and vilifying other people, I beg you. As fans, we should stick together, instead of inventing imaginary accusations and charges that are completely false.

Glen already resigned which is a huge loss to the group, and people are sneering at his integrity for "not resigning". And Appleton's appointment, while imminent, has not been finalized yet! At least give Glen a day or two to wrap things up before demanding his resignation! You make me sick.

Then the accusations that BRAG support Appleton while going to meltdown over McKinlay. Either that or BRAG being a Shebby Singh puppet where they would never have released the statement if Appleton had been Shebby Singh's idea instead of Derek Shaw's. Look at what you're accusing people of, it's ridiculous, especially when you can find news contrary to such accusations on the Internet! Makes me wonder if people choose to selectively forget McKinlay (which was Shebby's choice) or overlook the BRAG statement released in the Lancashire Telegraph just two days ago!!!!

I understand that people disapprove of BRAG's actions, and maybe have different opinions as to how to save the club. I can accept that. What I can't accept is people falsely accusing innocent people of stuff they didn't even do! It looks to me you guys are just hunting for scapegoats and throwing whatever charges you can think of so that you can enjoy burning people at stake for whatever sadistic pleasure you like.

This is why the media shines us fans in a bad light - because we have a tendency to vilify almost everyone and turn on them for no good reasons. Kean was understandable because of his horrendous record, Shebby Singh, all right because of his debacle with Berg, but when people start turning on BRAG, etc because of inaccurate reasoning, it just justifies the media's potrayal.

[DE.]

Black Burn, there are certain posters here who have a very personal issue with Glen and/or an agenda that seems to almost solely focus on belittling and attacking BRFCAG. Your post contains a ton of valid points but for those who need to read it, it will fall on deaf ears. If Glen has resigned (which would be a huge shame, but understandable) then they will be patting each other on the back and saying 'job well done'. I'm sure Venky's will be thinking the same.

In saying that, I haven't seen that Glen has resigned. Where was that announced?

[Black Burn]

I hardly see how saying ''While one man has tried to pull the club off the floor others in the board room have turned the club into a national laughing stock by undermining him" points to Gary Bowyer. They very well may have meant Bowyer and if they did fair play my bad but to me reading that makes it sound like one member of the board has tried to pull the club off the floor where as others are against him.

As for BRAG I don't hate them. Like I said in an earlier post I feel they set themselves up for all the right reasons but I think their heads have been turned since they formed a relationship with Shebby. They have no place releasing these statements and threatening the club because of the managerial appointment. They should have concentrated on their initial efforts to oust Venkys and Kean instead of trying to cosy up to the club.

Don't be daft, it says 'others in the boardroom' - that does not include GB. The statement is a disgrace, stop making excuses for it

Hahaha, you think that refers to Bowyer? Who has been in post a month.

Why was it removed from the LET article then?

The article quite clearly states that BRAG are relating to 'internal pwer struggles' ie. the boardroom. It has nothing to do with Gary Bowyer.

It's clearly referring to Singh.

And it's cringingly biased towards him.

Agreed. It is clearly referring to the boardroom.

Really Black Burn, I can't believe you thought it was referring to Bowyer.

What are you on about you Grumpy Old Fart?

I need to retract my claim that it was referring to Bowyer.

A head must roll for that

Paranoid much? Why do you believe everyone has an anti-BRAG agenda? Could it not be that the only people with an agenda are BRAG themselves? The blatant pro-Shebby bias by Glen Mullan in particular is beyond comprehension.

Any reason why the group you belong to claimed that shebby 'had pulled the club up off the floor'?

Read it again! Maybe some people are so blinded by their loyalty or whatever that the can't see a perfectly clear statement.

I read it again and it's Shebby "while others in the boardroom" gives it away

Gary bowyer is not part of the boardroom. Read the article again.

The statement on the bbc clearly reads as it's shebby who is the one trying to lift the club off the floor. TBH seeing how pro-shabby BRAG are, I strongly suspect that that is who they meant; or at least, that that is how it would read.

Such statements are undermining Rovers credability - they really are following in the footsteps of their hero shabby.

I know this is childish, but I can't help it. Forgive me. Well, can't be helped, considering that I'm still a child when placed against senior citizens on here. But here goes:

I TOLD YOU ALL SO! :angry2:

Its not shebby at all, its referring to Bowyer, as the second paragraph goes straight into.

Singh aint a Rovers employee, this is the boardroom who have put the uncertainty into Bowyer and everyone else over the last week.

Why do people always try and turn words around to suit agendas?

See? That's what I've been telling everyone. Stop looking for non-existant crimes and faults in other people. You don't have to be a member of the Group, you don't have to protest, you don't have to do anything. All I ask is stop flaming, stop abusing and stop insulting other people before you find out what that statement really means. It isn't just this statement, but also the accusation that they are Shebby Singh's vehicle, etc.

DE4Life,

Glen announced it on the BRAG website and on the Facebook group. Here is a link: http://www.facebook.com/groups/273104169392528/472736082762668/?notif_t=group_activity