[Archived] Blackburn Rovers v Cardiff City 7th December 2012

[RevidgeBlue]

Are you suggesting Black is the common denominator here ? Perhaps you've forgotten that when Black was given a short period in charge the team responded by suddenly looking a stronger defensive unit and we stopped conceding goals at an alarming rate. Perhaps also, Berg doesn't want to bring his own backroom team in and is happy with the coaches he has. Still, it's not all doom and gloom as the England cricket team is on its way to a superb Test victory in India.

Don't know what to think jim, just pointing out the facts.

Clearly something is sadly wrong somwhere and after taking us on a near record breaking bad run last season to relegation along with Kean I find it astonishing he is still employed by the Club. Is it not with hindsight a bit naive to expect massive changes in the long run leaving a set up in place which has already failed once?

[Gav]

Didn't go last night, mate text me before the game saying Marcus Ollsen was starting the game. He simply isn't good enough and let's face it he's not alone.

Hopefully Henning is trying a few new things and just getting a feel for the squad, because picking players like M Ollsen, he'll soon lose the fans.

[Ossydave]

It's obvious Berg has been told he can't bring in any staff, a case of weeing with the Willy he's got as Souness would say.

[beanie]

Bloody 'ell Steve! Worse than Jim Iley's team of the late 70's? Or the team that went down in 79?

That was the same team , Iley was sacked in October to be replaced by Pickering , relegation soon followed ..

There are similarities Radford ,Aston , Birchenall . all passed it !!!

The goals scored by Rhodes will keep us up this season (if he doesn't move in Jan ) but only just !

Can you not only play for two teams in a season (loans not counted) if so we should have him till summer at least. Unless he would prefer to not play 4 six months which if he continues to be played how he is might just happen.

[Ossydave]

Didn't go last night, mate text me before the game saying Marcus Ollsen was starting the game. He simply isn't good enough and let's face it he's not alone.

Hopefully Henning is trying a few new things and just getting a feel for the squad, because picking players like M Ollsen, he'll soon lose the fans.

He's already lost a lot of the fans pal, tbh I'm struggling to argue as well, horrendous last night and I don't think Kean could have done any worse.

[jim mk2]

Don't know what to think jim, just pointing out the facts.

Clearly something is sadly wrong somwhere and after taking us on a near record breaking bad run last season to relegation along with Kean I find it astonishing he is still employed by the Club. Is it not with hindsight a bit naive to expect massive changes in the long run leaving a set up in place which has already failed once?

Like most failed enterprises (countries, companies and football teams), the problems stem from the top. Everyone was hoping the removal of Kean would bring change for the better but I think most people are now realising nothing is going to change until Venky's leave the club. When they do so is anyone's guess though I suspect they might only finally sell when we sink a division lower. At the current rate of decline it won't be long.

[Athlete]

Looks like we'll be looking over our shoulder in the coming weeks as relegation is more likely under Berg or is it shebby

Team selection and tactics are nil bergs looking out his depth was sat top tier of JW overlooking Berg and Mackay the difference was plainly obvious Mackay was passionate Berg was motionless

The crowd in reality was under 10k and will fall further Venkys need to FO and take shabby Singh, Hendry, berg, etc with em and fast as we are heading in the direction of Portsmouth and Coventry

[DavidMailsTightPerm]

Cardiff 4 shots on target. 4 goals. In the Prem too, year after year Robbo had lowest percentage of shots on target saved. Makes a few great saves, but not a lot of others.

Which of their four goals should Robbo haved saved ?

[Batman.]

I'm a bit overwhelmed to be honest. We had a great week in training yet we still lose.

[jw_]

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Not impressed at all so far with Hennings rein, nothing appears to have changed at rovers, just the figurehead and even he looks like Kean at times.

Circus Ewood still open for business with new ring leader BERG.

Same old rubbish, new wrapper for me, I hope I'm proven wrong.

I think we all know who the real ringleader is. Berg to me seems to be acting under instructions.

[Batman.]

I think we all know who the real ringleader is. Berg to me seems to be acting under instructions.

If the instructions are to pick and prepare the team awfully and hardly pick up any points, he's having a blinder.

[G Somerset Rover]

It's just a complete and utter shambles. As Rev said, why is Berg now playing a different way to how we were a few weeks ago? Robbo is now lumping it instead of passing it out, Ruben has been dropped when his arrival marked our upturn in performance.

You know next game that our wholesale changes after this latest embarrassment will probably be CKR and Gamst coming back in, while Givet and Simon twiddle their thumbs on the bench.

IMO Berg is being the yes man that so many on here promised he wouldn't be.

[Martin]

That was painful to watch (particular as it didn't kick-off until 11:45pm UAE time.

I still believe we have the best / most talented squad in the division.

But they are unfit, unorganised and lacking any confidence.

I'll support Berg all day long, but this group needed experience - someone that would command instant respect.

Berg has until Christmas. Then we have to call Curbishley.

[Hasta]

What made it worse was that I didn't think Cardiff were that good. Efficient yes but Millwall, Boro and Leicester all looked better at Ewood in my opinion.

I still believe we have the best / most talented squad in the division.

But they are unfit, unorganised and lacking any confidence.

Please wake up and face reality. The squad is poor and does not possess one decent central midfielder with legs. People have been peddling this nonsense about the squad being the best all season and it's drivel. We have a load of has beens and a few players who look good doing tricks with a ball.

[Ossydave]

It's just a complete and utter shambles. As Rev said, why is Berg now playing a different way to how we were a few weeks ago? Robbo is now lumping it instead of passing it out, Ruben has been dropped when his arrival marked our upturn in performance.

You know next game that our wholesale changes after this latest embarrassment will probably be CKR and Gamst coming back in, while Givet and Simon twiddle their thumbs on the bench.

IMO Berg is being the yes man that so many on here promised he wouldn't be.

Thats what I don't get, why are we playing hoofball again? Why are we not pressing like we were? We're seemingly getting worse, not better?!?!

[1864roverite]

Well well well. I watched the game on tv last night and what I witnessed left me astounded.

Henning Berg when will you begin to learn to send a team out witht he right mentality, a formation to work within, a team with a plan, a team that can defend as one and a team that can take the game forward to the opposition rather than always play on the back foot ? The selection you sent out last night was lacking in everything epitomised by the lack of forethought and by the way, a team seriously lob sided and with no pride or passion for the shirt they wore.

Let me begin with my view on certain players.

Robinson - seriously overweight. His problem is that his weight stops him from getting off the ground and he drops like a sandbag to the shot on the floor. He is the root of Rovers defensive problems.

Hanley/Dann - woefully inept. Neither put in a shift and neither deserved their wages. Dann has 1 good game then reverts to type. For him to benefit he needs Givet alongside him.

Ethuhu - just what did he bring to the game last ight apart from chaos ? Shocking lack of effort from a journeyman.

Lowe - I am not having that he just a young lad, this player brings nothing to the team. Mistakes lead to goals. He cant head he cant jump he cant tackle and he CANNOT drive the team forward which is what is required from a central midfielder. His inability to pass forward is wreaking havoc on the defence talking of which his inabilities show that there is no outball from the back 4 and a lack of through ball to the forwards.

Formica - a plus side is that his work ethic is unquestionable. His finishing is erratic.

King - I like the look of this lad but he is not a centre forward.

Marcus ollson - what exactly did he do last night or in training to deserve to start ? truly a shocking player and out of his depth.

Rhodes - I feel sorry for the lad, yet again no service and no support. Playing up front alone with the hoof ball of Robinson, Dann and Hanley he was easily shunted aside by the Cardiff defence.

I am not sure what CKR has to do in order to start games, the same with Simon. There is no doubt his introduction improved output going forward however lets not forget there were other players who simply negated the efforts this lad put in.

Tactics - first half there was nothing in place, better in the second however at that point we had CKR playing.

Plan B or C ? Nothing evident.

Defensive tactics - non existant.

Control, passing, effort, pride, organisation - non existant.

Crossing - absolutely atrocious.

HB has a basic lesson to learn, he must know by now that certain players cannot be relied on. He must realise that we are now out of the promotion race and he must now recognise that he needs to have a clear out. There are some seriously good players available in the Premiership as loanee players and we need a central midfielder or 2. We need to offload Robinson and to bring in Jake Kean in order to develop him. Hanley needs replacing by Givet. Rhodes needs help up front and assistance.

Hendry needs releiving of his duties, Brunskill needs replacing whilst HB himself needs to look at his own performance.

I am not convinced that Rovers are equipped to reach the top 10 this season and I am reiterating my stance of keeping away from Ewood on a match by match basis until there is radical changes. In fact I think the next time I might venture to Ewood is for the Leeds game followed by the Burnley/Blackpool games.

Shabby, you live and die by results, these set of result are truly shocking and you must realise that HB may well be seriously out of his depth with these players.

Its time to change or ship out.

[adsfortheblues]

No, because whoever was appointed manager was handed a deeply unsuitable squad.

Jeez this squad is good enough for top 2 granted. However come on, Bergs selections and tactics are mind puzzling, every game. With players like Vuckevic, Rochina, Givet and before he was injured Gomes, being placed on the bench (and especially at home in terms of the 3 attackers) then he has to take a massive share of the blame.

After today the team could be around 16th in the table. This team isn't that bad for goodness sake. Berg has made nil impact and seems another yes man, which is exactly what he said he wouldn't be.

[47er]

Are you suggesting Black is the common denominator here ? Perhaps you've forgotten that when Black was given a short period in charge the team responded by suddenly looking a stronger defensive unit and we stopped conceding goals at an alarming rate. Perhaps also, Berg doesn't want to bring his own backroom team in and is happy with the coaches he has. Still, it's not all doom and gloom as the England cricket team is on its way to a superb Test victory in India.

We packed the defence under Black so we couldn't score. Under Kean, we had no defence and scored for fun but could not defend!

Under Berg we seem to be doing neither! Its a bigger shambles than the Tories Jim!

[thenodrog]

Like most failed enterprises (countries, companies and football teams), the problems stem from the top. Everyone was hoping the removal of Kean would bring change for the better but I think most people are now realising nothing is going to change until Venky's leave the club. When they do so is anyone's guess though I suspect they might only finally sell when we sink a division lower. At the current rate of decline it won't be long.

I'm no supporter of that shower as you know but it has to be said that none of them had a bad game last night.

Forget what that clown ColinWanker said on TV about how good our squad is cos unfortunately my point made at the beginning of the season that none of this squad would get anywhere near cleaning the boots of the 2000/1 squad was bang on. Berg is playing poker with a sh1t hand of cards dealt by the Fat Controller which he picked up when Steve Kean chose to leave the building..... unfortunately now all the other players have seen the cards!!! We have been well and truly sussed out.

Problem still lies with the imbalanced and characterless squad of players that Kean left. Too many out of tune violinists and no hod carriers. A central core of any two from Murphy, Lowe and Etohu backed up by Dann and Handley is desperately poor in an area of the pitch that calls for strength. We dont have the quality or the work ethic off the ball to be a pass and move team and up top we dont have a proper centre forward / target man either who could hold direct balls up. The other peripheral players are all fancy dans who can only function when others are prepared to graft and make space for them but are worse than useless when the other team are in possession. It aint good and the only cure is to offload as many as possible (btw I dont know how and tbh I don'r care who) and replace with 'proper' men who can hold their own in this division. We will need to generate money to do it and if that means off loading Jordan Rhodes so be it. He is a fine 'sniffer' without a doubt but imo is icing on a cake and not what we most need, unfortunately we have too much money tied up in him.

As for our future? Nothing but a terminal decline to our rightful position imo. Inevitably finances rule the roost in football and a few thousand die hards only willing to pay £200 quid will see us down amongst the real dead men. Rem I have seen very similar to this before.

I still believe we have the best / most talented squad in the division.

Thats what I don't get, why are we playing hoofball again? Why are we not pressing like we were? We're seemingly getting worse, not better?!?!

Grief were you there dave? Surely there is nothing to get! If you were at recent matches you could not help but see that a passing game is impossible with our useless and immobile centre core of players. The only out so often is a hoofball to our diminutive striker who is normally ably marked by two 6ft 4" colossuses.

[FINRover]

Full of s.h.i.t!

[ChrisyG]

I've watched Dann and Hanley warming up a few times before the game, and it's obvious that Hanley cannot head a ball. Throughout the game he hardly won a header. Givet should be playing.

We desperately need a right sided player. Vukcevic is a right sided player with international and european experience - why is he not playing?

My brother said he had no idea what was the best position of half the players.

[Proudtobeblue&white]

IMO the buck stops well and truly with our poor excuse for owners - in almost every other club they take an interest, for gods sake they attend matches! This shower of Kean need to ship out - I just have no appetite to view the fayre on offer. Why SS so bloody quiet...must be because his star appointment is so successful, then again maybe not.....

[Athlete]

From the top with venkys to the bottom with berg, shabby, Hendry, etc the club is a shambles never since Shrewsbury at home years back have I witnessed such garbage but the difference then was we were run by people who cared for the club, players put 100% in and weren't on untold riches....unlike this shower of S...

[Amo]

People say Venky's are the problem like there's something we can do about that. They appear quite content to own a shipping ship, and there's no one with the wherewithal to take it off their hands even if they wanted out.

So what do we do?

[alexanders]

Im going to say it. Robinson is our weakest links.

His insecurity and inability to command the box, stop shots and react quickly is spreading all through the team and especially the central defenders. There is no excuse about the performance of Dann yesterday (who is complete rubbish), but Robinson really is a big problem these days.

I think Formica had a lively game and him and Henley seem to work just fine. Think we need to adjust elsewhere. Por ejemplo Etuhu who was a passenger and did nothing.