[Archived] The Dossier - release it.

[K-Hod]

400 pages this dossier I read. A lot of hard work by Glen and the guys which should be applauded.

At the very least I'd be asking for a comment from everyone, the FA, Premier League and Parliament (or was it Jack Straw and some others) as to their findings.

There's absolutely no doubt that the sterling work of the action group undertaken gathering the information for the dossier is to be applauded, but if it's been shown to the relevant parties and nothing has come of it, maybe releasing it might be an idea??

[bob fleming]

There's absolutely no doubt that the sterling work of the action group undertaken gathering the information for the dossier is to be applauded, but if it's been shown to the relevant parties and nothing has come of it, maybe releasing it might be an idea??

It's their call K-Hod. All I know is that if I'd taken the time to write a 400 page dossier with some friends and worked my nuts off in the process (and I do recall many a late night being mentioned etc) then I would like some sort of tangible return for my / our troubles.

If the FA etc state that this is all above board then when we / if we do go down the pan, swimming in a cesspit of crap players and such fine custodians, I would at least like something on record from the people who reviewed the alleged incriminating evidence and saw fit to take no action.

Much as I await with baited breath the statement from Mrs Desai that the debt we are rapidly racking up is covered.

[AndyC]

if the dossier has been presented to certain journalists, who also haven't been able to publish the accusations, its pretty clear that there is no smoking gun. Otherwise the lawyers would have said go ahead....

[Beta Ray Bill]

Could it be turned into a musical?

[SouthAussieRover]

Could it be turned into a musical?

Or a blog.

[mark1875]

Who presented this dossier?

Was it the Action Group? Was it BRSIT?

Surely all that is needed is for a member of whichever group or groups it was is to ask for it to be disclosed? And it should be?

Or have I missed something?

Frankly - I suspect there is bugger all of any consequence in it. Its been ignored by everyone it was presented to.

The BRFC Action Group spent months compiling the dossier which was provided following dialogue with various people and we presented it personally in all meetings.

The information given was private and confidential and the majority given up on the basis it was provided to the authorities only, now if a member requested this information to be disclosed, would it be? no, because some of the information provided by individuals was given to us confidentially and was used for its purpose, would we risk their families security by disclosing it? no, cos that's not our call, those who provided the information should be making it public only when they see fit.

400 pages this dossier I read. A lot of hard work by Glen and the guys which should be applauded.

At the very least I'd be asking for a comment from everyone, the FA, Premier League and Parliament (or was it Jack Straw and some others) as to their findings.

The authorities are constantly being chased and will not be allowed to let this be forgotten, we are constantly chasing them for progress and comment.

if the dossier has been presented to certain journalists, who also haven't been able to publish the accusations, its pretty clear that there is no smoking gun. Otherwise the lawyers would have said go ahead....

I certainly and neither has the group ever claimed the smoking gun exists, we have always maintained we have provided the skeleton and it's upto those with the power to put the meat on the bones. Had we held the smoking gun, then our process would have been different, however no, we didn't hold the smoking gun, what we provided was enough evidence to call for an investigation, put together over many hours, by people doing it voluntary, who then asked those paid to govern the game with the power to delve further to go complete the rest of the investigation, we continue to push them further, but both Savio and Philip are aware of the various people who put information forward and these people in their positions had no reason to make it up.

[bob fleming]

The authorities are constantly being chased and will not be allowed to let this be forgotten, we are constantly chasing them for progress and comment.

Mark, of course it's your 400 page dossier and it's entirely up to you what you do with it, but after six months has it crossed your mind that they have no intention of making progress and passing comment ? How long are you prepared to wait ? More to the point what length of time do you feel is reasonable to have to wait for an official comment from these people ?

Cause from where I'm sat, and please correct me if I'm wrong here, the 400 page dossier and the long nights you guys spent putting it together hasn't achieved anything.

[stuwilky]

So, everything in this dossier was provided confidentially? There is nothing that was obtained by yourselves or from people who would sanction it being made publicly available.

As bob says, this far down the line it is very obvious nothing has been achieved, chasing the authorities is yet more time wasted I would suggest.

[PAFELL]

As much as many of us would like to know what is in this dossier. This is probable not the best place to release it. Not only because of the protection of those who helped put it together, gave information. But also for this site. If there was anything in this dossier that could be considered by some as defamatory, there are legal implications. Certain parties could take legal action.

Same reason as Glen M blog was removed - (though nothing to stop Glen putting his blog on his own site - his risk then and not here) - risk of allegations of defamatory - it is not worth the risk of putting it on here.

I thought the plan was for this dossier to go to uefa etc, if the prem / Fa did not act on it.

[philipl]

The material is not mine to disclose.

Anyone who thinks the process of finding out stopped when the dossier reached 400 pages or that the dossier was ever a static document is deluded.

Similarly who is putting hand on heart and saying all personalities at Ewood now are not valid subjects for query, doubt or downright suspicion?

And Pune?

[AggyBlue]

Could it be turned into a musical?

Bollywood?

[ABBEY]

BollEwood

[funny-old-game]

The material is not mine to disclose.

Anyone who thinks the process of finding out stopped when the dossier reached 400 pages or that the dossier was ever a static document is deluded.

Similarly who is putting hand on heart and saying all personalities at Ewood now are not valid subjects for query, doubt or downright suspicion?

And Pune?

Philipl

If the dossier did get into the public domain, would it benefit BRFC as a football club or help rid us of the incompetent owners and parasites, so we as fans and the club can move forward together which ever league we end up in?

This is the question I keep coming back too and I appreciate the legal aspects but the longer people sit on their hands the less impact the dossier will have and I couldn't imagine Liverpool fans for instance holding back if they had such information!

[philipl]

If it got into the public domain, then as Fish1875 has written, there would be a reasonably complete skeleton but precious little flesh.

The authorities' dilatory reactions are showing themselves to be unequivocably on the side of the owners and big money interests as far as can be seen with their own rule books being followed flexibly. The level of evidence that the fans are in effect being asked to produce is ludicrously high and my personal view is that individuals' safety would be at certain avenues were pursued with great vigour.

Sitting and thinking about hard copy documents I have seen, it stinks. Do they hang together; quite possibly. Is there an innocent explanation? You have to believe that the three Raos are stupid to a level almost beyond human capability. That though is the default position of the football authorities.

If there were smoking guns, Rovers would be subject to a Tevez style commiss

Sometimes these scandals break, sometimes they don't.

Commission of inquiry, the outcome of which would be a lottery based on how West Ham escaped.

Sorry posting from an android device is not interfacing well with the message board. I am not being melodramatic in saying individual supporters might be putting personal safety at risk of certain avenues were pursued. The Mark Chapman programme on Kronje was explosive in its content but what impact has it had?

[47er]

Jack Straw should release it under parliamentary privilege.

[47er]

Genuine question--------has Jack Straw been asked if he'll agree to release the dossier under protection of parliamentary privilege?

[glen9mullan]

Genuine question--------has Jack Straw been asked if he'll agree to release the dossier under protection of parliamentary privilege?

He has not been asked no,

The problems we have here is the following

1. Some of the information/testomonies are from people still in employment at the club. So they would be sacked if it was released

2. Some of the information/testimonies are from people who are no longer there but have signed agreements.

3. 95% of the information provided was given upon agreement that it would not be disclosed to anyone bar the authorities

4. Some of the information rquires additional information and should it be released and that additional information not be forthcoming then someone has a big law suit on their hands, I aint willing to risk my home or anyone else's home on that basis.

5. Some of the information was given by ex/current players and this would also effect their ability to find new clubs

Everyone remembers what happened to Mike Newell when he spoke out, its made him virtually unemployable in football.

So yes, I can see everyones frustrations, however at the same time its not your lives which will be effected, its others, I have a duty of care to all those who made that dossier possible. I'm a man of my word and will not put others at risk

[47er]

Fair enough. Glad you explained it. Pity though.

[Mullionvagrant]

He has not been asked no,

The problems we have here is the following

1. Some of the information/testomonies are from people still in employment at the club. So they would be sacked if it was released

2. Some of the information/testimonies are from people who are no longer there but have signed agreements.

3. 95% of the information provided was given upon agreement that it would not be disclosed to anyone bar the authorities

4. Some of the information rquires additional information and should it be released and that additional information not be forthcoming then someone has a big law suit on their hands, I aint willing to risk my home or anyone else's home on that basis.

5. Some of the information was given by ex/current players and this would also effect their ability to find new clubs

Everyone remembers what happened to Mike Newell when he spoke out, its made him virtually unemployable in football.

So yes, I can see everyones frustrations, however at the same time its not your lives which will be effected, its others, I have a duty of care to all those who made that dossier possible. I'm a man of my word and will not put others at risk

Thank you Glen:

Have you heard from the F.A/ had any contact/feedback regarding the content of your privately presented dossier/meetings etc?? For example did you whilst representing the Action Group pose a list of questions to them (which perhaps could be openly published) which they the F.A can/have put on record to the fans you represent and the wider football world to say they have investigated and categorically found no substance to them and presented material at all. This would not only put fans minds at rest but also would benefit other people involved if they were proved to have no substance. I can 100% understand why you can not publish the material you gathered for the Action Group under guaranteed no public disclosure, but do you feel that F.A need to publicly go on record to say they have looked into this and satisfactorily investigated your represented voiced concerns or at the very least update the action group on their progress to date and what they have done to start the ball rolling.

I hope i am not speaking out of turn by posting this!

[philipl]

Sadly the FA style from what I understand is to be much more obtuse.

The Glen blog presumably contained material gathered in the dossier. What Glen wrote was all things I (and I am sure many others) have heard before but I was unaware there was sufficient solid material for it to be paraded so publicly.

However, we have seen what has happened when just a tiny bit of the dossier got published. Getting the whole thing out would be equally problematic notwithstanding the confidences and promises Glen described in detail in his post above.

[Rover_Shaun]

You couldn't make it up

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