[Archived] New Manager

[Neal]

Then as a fans group what should they do... protest against Shebby and thus loose all links to the club?

Not at all, the protests have certainly changed nothing (I attended every one) but they sure need to be seen to be putting pressure on Shebby and showing they are firmly on the side of the fans... I'm a member of BRAG and i believe they are.

To keep on topic though, I don't think any of the managers (many aren't even that) that have been mentioned will turn out to be the next Rovers boss.

For some reason, I really cant take to the idea of Grayson... Theres just something really uninspiring about him.

[T.J.Newton]

Is it fair to say Billy Davies would be unanimously accepted(even very much please!) by most on here of all the realistic managers mentioned?

If Billy Davies is Shaws recommendation to the Venkys, then its fair to say shebby will do everything he can to make sure Davies isn't chosen(regardless of his suitability and fans preference)

[FourLaneBlue]

Love to be the dissenting voice and think that Peter Taylor would be a very shrewd appointment given that we are not going to be able to simply buy our way back to the big time. To discredit him by saying it was 10 years ago would also eliminate souness, curbs, hoddle et al.

Not the glamour name many would want but for @#/? sake, the guy has 100 times the experience of Tugay/Shearer/Sherwood/Berg and is a very solid "football" man.

Well said.

It´s not a name I would ever have thought of, but he does have far more experience than our previous managers.

I won´t say I´d be happy at his appointment, that would be pushing it, but I have been bracing myself for far worse...compared to Kean and Berg he´s a world-beater.

[FourLaneBlue]

I´ve said it before and i´ll say it again, when a manager like schuster applied, when a manager like Redknapp, had his representatives in for a rendezvous, prior to berg being hired, i cant believe people are willing to settle once again. Those who are willing to settle for less, arent much brighter then the V´s

couldnt care less about bookmakers and their odds. (I see you beat me too it ossydave). We´ll just have to wait and see, by the sounds of it, we arent far away from a decision.

Is it a question of "settling" for a lesser manager or a question of facing the reality of life and dealing with it?

I doubt there are many people on this entire board that would not prefer Redknapp or Hughes to all those managers we have been linked with, but we all know it won´t happen. You say "i cant believe people are willing to settle once again", but I don´t even know what that means. What else do you expect them to do? Go on hunger strike? Hold placards outside Ewood? Nuke Pune?

Obviously, boycotting Ewood, chanting inside the ground or having marches are not going to have an effect on our owners. That plane was a great idea, but ultimately was money tossed down the drain as our owners simply do not play by the conventional rules of football. They dont give a @#/?, really, about whether we are "settling" for a manager or not.

The fans no longer have a real say on things. Anything written on here will have no bearing at all on who is our next manager. They know what we think. They will act as they will. The only fan input that I am aware of in our recent times led to Allardyce being overlooked for Ince and McKinley passed over for Berg. With that kind of record, perhaps the fans should not be listened to regarding individual managers unless under extreme circumstances. They know we want an experienced manager this time. Now, let´s leave them to it.

So, therefore as I far as I can see it, those who are "settling" for a manager, and those who are not, are pretty much exactly the same.

[jim mk2]

Taylor must be desperate for employment if, as reported, he has resorted to contacting Venky's directly rather than go through the proper (three) channels.

I wonder if Venky's are aware the transfer window is now open and we are in last-chance saloon if they want to strengthen the team for an outside push for promotion ?

An appointment must be made by the weekend and prevaricating for weeks like they did last time is not an option.

[USABlue]

Thank you Bob, finally a proper question

No im not confirming Peter Taylor as Manager and have not even stated he would be Manager, I was trying to get involved in the debate. It appears everyone else thinks Peter Taylor is the new Manager.

I simply stated people are asking for an experienced Manager then when one comes up for discussion they say not that one.

Announcement has been delayed Yes, and this is all being done out in Pune, hence leaks are not leaks but just rumours

Thank god, I was going to ask you a similar question but am still trawling through pages of vitriol aimed in your direction. What was scaring me is that from here it looks like you are supporting Taylor as an appointment, given your"connections" you are going to get it, but the bothersome part is I did not see you distance yourself from that being a done deal till this post.

The Venky's will cock it up royally. They make a statement like they did and then whoosh, pull the rug out.

[AggyBlue]

Reading through this, and I can't believe some of the BRAG posts on Taylor.

Saw one basically saying 'As long as the manager has experience I'll be happy', reading very much as support for Taylor.

Experience is important yes, but Taylor's 'experience' is of abject failure and sackings.

Astounding.

BRAG don't post on here, how many times does it need to be said

[RevidgeBlue]

Given the few hours since I came home from the match, nobody has contacted me about Taylor as they did with Billy Mc. Just been discussing the topic with a few members and its a mixed bag from what I saw. Some think it good some think it bad others are it could have been better could have been worse

Could have been worse than Taylor? Words fail me. Who exactly?

I made a joke post the other night about Peter Reid being as "experienced" as it gets and Taylor falls into the same category. Sacked by Bradford was it?

Incidentally,I really didn't want McKinlay but I'd take him over Taylor any day. McKinlay is inexperienced but there's a slight chance he would turn out well. Experience tells us it's more or less a racing certainty Taylor would be a failure.

[rightrover]

Any member of BRAG (particularly those holding "high office") who comes on here or any public forum, seeking to voice support for the appointment of Taylor as manager, sadly, has changed function, from one of representing the fans to the club, to that of representing the club to the fans, and they need to examine their individual consciences.

In the John Williams era, indeed in ANY era of the club prior to this one, it would, I agree, have been an honour to be a fans representative to the club, to participate in issues which affect us, the fans. (Not issues of team management, but simple day-to-day issues affecting fans' concerns.) Under this regime, it is not an honour at all, it is dishonourable, a disgrace. A perversion. There will not be, and cannot be, any ultimately good outcome from this ownership. It is going to end badly.

Thus it can be seen what an absolute master-stroke it was for the ownership regime to co-opt the "fans" into the club in the way that they did. It has destroyed the official opposition to their rule and on the contrary, has (almost) given their apparently bizarre actions a credible voice, when it deserves none.

You see, Venkys (or whoever truly runs the club with executive power), apparently so clueless in everything they do, weren't so incompetent there, were they?

In everything else that they do, on the surface, it all seems so perverse. Every action, every decision, the opposite of what good, sound, proper football club governance is about - the polar opposite of what WE used to be about, before they arrived.

That's because, clearly, decisions taken by the club are no longer pure footballing decisions in the way that they used to be. They can't be about winning matches, acquiring points, appointing the best available manager with a view to being successful on the pitch, otherwise, virtually every decisions they've ever made would have been the opposite of what it was.

For instance, Taylor is nowhere near the best available option. We all know that. Neither was Berg. Neither, especially, was Kean. We all knew that, as well. None would, I suggest, have been considered by any other Championship club. Only ours. Why is that?

It's only when you give another context to the decisions which are taken, that they no longer are perverse, or a series of cock-ups, but the essence of good sense for a regime operating to another agenda.

I think, we ALL can accurately surmise what is going on. Until it's publicly proven, we can only observe any and all decisions which the club takes to form our judgment, and it clearly isn't the running of our club in the way it should be, and the way it used to be, so for ANY supporter, particularly those with influence and prominence, to give succour to the regime, seeking to defend the indefensible, frankly, is unforgivable.

[Kei]

Great post. I do not believe for a second that, "he who shall not be named", is not involved in some capacity still. Do we know which agency Taylor is with?

[RevidgeBlue]

Just a brief post script on McKinlay I was speaking to a respectable chap a while back who said that he used to be McKinlay's next door neighbour when he was at Rovers. He said he still keeps in touch with BM by mobile etc.

Most of the conversation centred around "God he liked a drink when he was here" but he also said BM wasn't even interested in the Rovers job last time round. He said Fulham just issued the denied permission to speak story as a face saving exercise for all concerned.

This bloke had no reason whatsoever to tell me porkies and I had no reason to disbelieve him.So when BRAG claim credit for blocking McKinlay's appointment, I personally treat that with complete scepticism. Why though they would go ballistic about the potential appointment of McKinlay, but not murmur a word about the likes of MacDonald and Taylor I've no idea.

[mark]

Why though they would go ballistic about the potential appointment of McKinlay, but not murmur a word about the likes of MacDonald and Taylor I've no idea.

Excellent point re BRAG. It's very confusing isn't it.

[AlanK]

Brag either don`t realise that when they talk to the shebster he thinks they represent all fans or they just love thinking they do.

A voice was required when the buffoon was in charge but its all nonsense now. Did I read somewhere that brag had 6000 members? They can`t all be active. Maybe that amount signed a petition but I would love to know how many vote on active issues if they vote at all?

Brag have stated that the manager would be announced yesterday. Now its after the cup game. Nonsense.

Nobody, and I mean nobody knows who will be appointed or when. Not even the people doing the appointing!

[dubdubdub]

Get the manager to remove the top half of his helmet. If bald tell him to hit the bricks. Test for wigs also!!

Sorted then. Maybe they can bring in Bebop and Rocksteady too.

[Steve Moss]

My choices would still be from the likes of Curbs, Hughes, OGS, Schuster, Grayson.. but doubt any of those will be possible.

One thing is nailed on atm.. Venkys are either going to have to make concessions to get a quality manager or face hell on earth at Ewood (probably both on and off the pitch knowing them).

All excellent choices. I wonder why Venkys hasn't been able to seal the deal with one of them?

[doctorryan]

stuff the venkys and there craziness....

my stepdaughter has just had a 6pound 6 girl....wet head time.

Will her first name be Peyton?

[CapeTownRover]

I don't have a problem with Glen Mullan, I talk to him on twitter as well. However, he made an interesting statement in one of his posts, which I didn't quite agree with. He said that BRAG and the fans can do nothing about who Shaggy and the rest pick as manager, or something like that. Where I find that comment a bit puzzling, is that BRAG(I speak under correction), were the ones who were opposed to Billy McKinley and Sherwood being appointed, and which made the clowns not appoint them. So how is this any different, and why not release another statement indicating that they will not tolerate it, if Peter Taylor gets the job.

I think BRAG need to come out and get a response from Shaggy, as to whether Taylor is on that list. For all we know, he might not be on anybodys list. However, this nonsense of appointing failures needs to stop now. We know they have no brains at all, but surely even with no brains, you dont go anywhere near Peter Taylor. We might as well just employ Owen Coyle(Not Abbeys favourite), but at least its better than that rubbish.

[chaddyrovers]

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-2255605/Blackburn-3-Nottingham-Forest-0--match-report.html

[Waggy76]

I asked this question yestreday , is Taylor connected to Jerome Anderson ?

[dave birch]

And whilst the procrastination continues.....

the transfer window gets shorter.

Hey, let's jam our new manager up against a deadline and see what happens.

Honestly, If I were a half decent manager I'd turn my back on this job.

Hiding to nothing springs to mind.

[philipl]

Agreed Maji.

I repeat, Peter Taylor track record has to be exposed for all our sakes.

[Kelbo]

If no one ever read this article regarding agents, its worth a read, it becomes clear as to how people we suspect, take money from our club and the game, disgraceful and I wonder now even more about the Portuguese deals and the agent involved!!!!!

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-2040773/Andy-Carrolls-agent-reveals-footballs-dirty-secrets.html

[koi]

"Things always look better in the morning " was something Ma Koi used to say, well she's wrong on this occasion, even the thought of Peter f'in Taylor is enough to make the brightest morning look grim.

[chaddyrovers]

If no one ever read this article regarding agents, its worth a read, it becomes clear as to how people we suspect, take money from our club and the game, disgraceful and I wonder now even more about the Portuguese deals and the agent involved!!!!!

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-2040773/Andy-Carrolls-agent-reveals-footballs-dirty-secrets.html

why have you put this into manager thread, surely it should have a new thread on the mb.

[Kelbo]

why have you put this into manager thread, surely it should have a new thread on the mb.

Someone was asking about Peter Taylors agent and in doing research, came accross this, the point is Chaddy, on what basis are we choosing a manager, looking at the ones being suggested points to the selection being for non footballing reasons, in my opinion of course!!