[Archived] New Manager Part 2 - With Poll

[RevidgeBlue]

Well I will. That collection of much-criticised veterans were the precise difference between the fighting spirit we showed against the threat of relegation in 10/11 and our meek surrender to it in 11/12. Leadership, experience, coolness under pressure and the ability to raise their game when it mattered was exhibited by pretty much all of them. Why on earth Venkys spent the next season getting rid/letting leave most of them is beyond me, but it was obviously a very stupid policy that resulted in relegation. Made all the more ridiculous by the way their wages were then spent on another set of veterans who've done the job less than half as well.

Hoillet was the main difference between us staying up and going down 2 seasons ago imo. Jermaine Jones was also influential towards the end of the season and the unexpected return of Phil Jones from injury gave us a timely boost as well.

[Steve Kean's Hypnotoad]

Hoillet was the main difference between us staying up and going down 2 seasons ago imo. Jermaine Jones was also influential towards the end of the season and the unexpected return of Phil Jones from injury gave us a timely boost as well.

And yet Hoilett was better the season after and Yakubu scored 17 league goals in it. To me the quality of our superstars didn't change much. It was the supporting cast that went disintegrated into a total embarassment. From Nelsen, Salgado, Andrews, Emerton, Diouf and Roberts. To out of position Lowe, Hanley, Petrovic, Formica, Rochina and Modeste. The decline in experience and steel couldn't have been more drastic if we'd done it on purpose. Laughably many fans supported this out with the old, in with the new policy in the summer of 2011. But like winning ugly, age/experience seems to be another quality regularly under-rated by supporters.

[thenodrog]

Hoillet was the main difference between us staying up and going down 2 seasons ago imo. Jermaine Jones was also influential towards the end of the season and the unexpected return of Phil Jones from injury gave us a timely boost as well.

As far as I can recall Hoilett and Phil Jones returning from injury toward the end of March were the catalyst to our finishing form whilst Samba, jJones and N'Zonzi were massive players through April / May and even Olsson hit some form (and pace) for the run in.

Within a month of the seasons end the two Jones's had gone, Hoilett wasn't prepared to sign the deal that had been on the table for long enough whilst Samba and N'Zonzi were Allardyce's men and their disenchantment was obvious. We were being fed lie after lie and thats why I never renewed my ST.

And yet Hoilett was better the season after and Yakubu scored 17 league goals in it. To me the quality of our superstars didn't change much. It was the supporting cast that went disintegrated into a total embarassment. From Nelsen, Salgado, Andrews, Emerton, Diouf and Roberts. To out of position Lowe, Hanley, Petrovic, Formica, Rochina and Modeste. The decline in experience and steel couldn't have been more drastic if we'd done it on purpose. Laughably many fans supported this out with the old, in with the new policy in the summer of 2011. But like winning ugly, age/experience seems to be another quality regularly under-rated by supporters.

You buy 2nd rate players you end up playing 2nd rate football in the 2nd div. I don't think anyone can argue that point......

......... except Braddup of course.

[47er]

Well if Emerton didn't want to leave for "family reasons" how come he ended up back at home in semi retirement in Australia?

Of the other high earners, Nelsen, struggling with QPR. Roberts, struggling with Reading, Diouf struggling with Leeds etc.etc.

This season Robinson hasn't kept himself in the best possible shape which is unforgiveable and his performances appear to have sufdered accordingly. Givet is either refusing to play or more than one manager deem him not to be in the right state of mind to play and MGP hasn't impressed when called upon. Ill concede Dunn hasnt had much of a chance.

You'll have to justify that post Rev. How are Diouf and Nelsen struggling exactly? Both in the team when I last looked.

As for Givet, we've heard all this before. As for Robinson, he's a high earner and they want him off the wage bill. If he's overweight, sack the fitness coach. Have we got one?

Roberts will always struggle with a Premier League team by the way because he is not very good. That isn't to say he wouldn't make our team though.

[NH1875]

Our youngest recently piped up with, 'Do you think any of the Rovers players are vegetarians?' (Probably full of school-influenced political correctness). We reckoned none of them were, but that Givet might be. Bit random, but I would 'luv-it' if that was the real reason. Givet blackballed for preferring cream cheese sandwiches over the mini pork pies. 'Right, Je suis off,' (in French accent). Good luck to the bloke. Another of Big Sam's underestimated army.

Seen Givet in a casino on Manchester once smashing through a burger the size of his head!

[Ricky]

Another member on here also saw Givet in a casino in Manchester, maybe he spends a bit too much time there.

[Pedro]

Another member on here also saw Givet in a casino in Manchester, maybe he spends a bit too much time there.

...and money.

[dwayne cage]

Nelson was a brilliant player. Wonder what the truth behind him leaving is.

[Wilberforce]

Nelson was a brilliant player. Wonder what the truth behind him leaving is.

Apparently he got sick of people spelling his name wrong....

[Tom]

Nelson never played for us did he?

As for Nelsen he actually was injured at one stage the season he left but obviously that excuse was used for longer than it was valid

The Roberts one surprised me as in Pune the players would eat together apart from Salgado who stayed wife his wife and kids and Scott Dann and his wife along with Jason Roberts and his wife who would dine with Steve Kean and wife so I presumed they were close

[old darwen blue]

Nelson never played for us did he?

As for Nelsen he actually was injured at one stage the season he left but obviously that excuse was used for longer than it was valid

The Roberts one surprised me as in Pune the players would eat together apart from Salgado who stayed wife his wife and kids and Scott Dann and his wife along with Jason Roberts and his wife who would dine with Steve Kean and wife so I presumed they were close

Could you please re write that Tom so I could understand it?

[dwayne cage]

Nelson never played for us did he?

As for Nelsen he actually was injured at one stage the season he left but obviously that excuse was used for longer than it was valid

The Roberts one surprised me as in Pune the players would eat together apart from Salgado who stayed wife his wife and kids and Scott Dann and his wife along with Jason Roberts and his wife who would dine with Steve Kean and wife so I presumed they were close

Yes Enrique Nelson Portugese mega star. Do you not know him?

.....These aren't the droids your looking for?

[Black Burn]

So bascially if we believe the Lancashire Telegraph, Shebby Singh wanted to appoint a manager on New Year's Day, but couldn't because Paul Agnew and Derek Shaw delayed the whole thing. Most of us are angry at the decision to appoint a manager after January because the transfer window ends, etc, and Shebby Singh was blamed for this decision even though it was really caused by our infamous duo? Well, I get that Shebby Singh is unanimously known to be an overtalkative idiot, but why are there comments on the Lancashire Telegraph wanting Paul Agnew and Derek Shaw to oust Shebby Singh (and basically backing the infamous duo to the hilt)? Shouldn't we get the collective out instead of aiming for only one person? Ironically, those comments are from people who were angry at the delay in appointing a manager, so I wonder if it's more a case of vilifying a single man than actually being angry for the right reasons.

And before anyone blames Shebby Singh for the exodus of players, let's get this straight. The guy has done a lot of stupid things and made a lot of mistakes, but Jason Roberts, Ryan Nelsen, Christopher Samba, Junior Hoilett and Yakubu left before Shebby Singh came in (well, the last two left while he came in, but they already made their decision before his entry). In fact, when Shebby Singh came in, only those two and Steve Nzonzi left, and the others like Martin Olsson, Paul Robinson and a whole horde of players we thought were going to leave didn't leave. According to someone, it was Shebby Singh who persuaded them to stay. Of course he's going to fail in his persuasions this transfer window with Gael Givet and Paul Robinson looking likely to exit the club, but that pair has already stated decisions to leave way before Shebby Singh jumped aboard.

And Shebby Singh being manager of Blackburn Rovers along with Judan Ali. There was a conspiracy about that before Henning Berg was appointed, and now the same conspiracy returns after Henning Berg is sacked. Really? As much as he is an idiot, he is not stupid enough to shoot himself in the foot by proclaiming himself or Judan Ali to be the next manager. In fact, that isn't stupidity, that's plain suicide.

I guess I'm saying, yeah, the poor guy's an idiot and made a lot of mistakes, but let's make sure we're flaming him for the right mistakes, like appointing Henning Berg, instead of crucifying and burning him at stake over every little thing, especially those he didn't do.

By the way, this isn't a defense of Shebby Singh. It's merely to back up what Glen Mullan said so far, and why he believed in what he said.

[bluebruce]

I think this poll should include an 'I'd prefer someone else' option rather than just 'none of the above'...a way of signalling that you'd really rather prefer someone who isn't on this list, but that you might accept one or two. Otherwise we could give the impression we are all for someone rather than grudgingly accepting them, and that we are happy with this being the extent of our ambition.

I want Simon Grayson, as I did last time.

[Cocker]

if i were to guess i'd say MGP he deffo looks like to the type to favour an avacado salad instead of a kebab

I have sat on the next table to Ped while he got stuck into a steak. He didnt have any chips though

[den]

Rev, sometimes I think you don't see anything that's going on here.

[broadsword]

Rev, sometimes I think you don't see anything that's going on here.

[Gav]

Of the other high earners, Nelsen, struggling with QPR. Roberts, struggling with Reading, Diouf struggling with Leeds etc.etc.

Just on this, Nelsen is hardly struggling with QPR, he'll probably win player of the season if he remains injury free, they love him Rev, most consistent player at the club. Now we all have out theory’s on why he left, I thought until recently that he was forced out, but someone gave me food for thought a few weeks ago, maybe he was a bit sneaky also and engineered his way out of the club and who can blame him, but he’s a top performer at QPR, make no mistake about that.

As for Diouf, can't stand the guy, wanted to leave when Allardyce was sacked, but he's hardly missed a game since he left us and is a consistent performer for Leeds.

You cannot replace experience, even if they're not playing, to have a Nelsen or Salgado in the squad could have saved us last season and would have been invaluable this season.

Venkys know best though....

[Beta Ray Bill]

Dont think Rev meant the players were struggling, more they are at struggling teams.

[Parsonblue]

Just on this, Nelsen is hardly struggling with QPR, he'll probably win player of the season if he remains injury free, they love him Rev, most consistent player at the club. Now we all have out theory’s on why he left, I thought until recently that he was forced out, but someone gave me food for thought a few weeks ago, maybe he was a bit sneaky also and engineered his way out of the club and who can blame him, but he’s a top performer at QPR, make no mistake about that.

As for Diouf, can't stand the guy, wanted to leave when Allardyce was sacked, but he's hardly missed a game since he left us and is a consistent performer for Leeds.

You cannot replace experience, even if they're not playing, to have a Nelsen or Salgado in the squad could have saved us last season and would have been invaluable this season.

Venkys know best though....

Couldn't agree more Gav. The loss of the likes of Nelsen, Salgado and Diouf went some way to ensuring that the club was relegated. However, Venky's never learn and seem happy to shift experience out of the club and replace it with untried and untested youngsters.

[Teacup]

Now we all have out theory’s on why he left, I thought until recently that he was forced out, but someone gave me food for thought a few weeks ago, maybe he was a bit sneaky also and engineered his way out of the club

We lost so many amazing players so soon after SK got the job, it really does make you wonder just what was going on back then.

[thenodrog]

As for Diouf, can't stand the guy, wanted to leave when Allardyce was sacked, but he's hardly missed a game since he left us and is a consistent performer for Leeds.

I can't comment on him as a person only as a player cos I never met the guy. How well do you now him Gav? I must say he does almost always appear amiable though.... unless you are a 'wee tim' perhaps.

[Hasta]

And yet Hoilett was better the season after and Yakubu scored 17 league goals in it. To me the quality of our superstars didn't change much. It was the supporting cast that went disintegrated into a total embarassment. From Nelsen, Salgado, Andrews, Emerton, Diouf and Roberts. To out of position Lowe, Hanley, Petrovic, Formica, Rochina and Modeste. The decline in experience and steel couldn't have been more drastic if we'd done it on purpose. Laughably many fans supported this out with the old, in with the new policy in the summer of 2011. But like winning ugly, age/experience seems to be another quality regularly under-rated by supporters.

Emerton was a huge loss last season as well. Never realised his potential from his blistering start but he was always a solid Premier League player who worked tirelessly forward and back and was versatile. He would have been 10X better than Orr at Full back as well. I know the reports said it was a chance he couldn't turn down but I better under their previous 'regime' he wouldn't have been as keen.

With regards to the manager situation I'm fairly sure they are giving Bowyer a month or so to see if they can make their life easier and just give him the job. The only thing they have got right is by saying publically he's not getting it full time takes all the pressure off.

[thenodrog]

We lost so many amazing players so soon after SK got the job, it really does make you wonder just what was going on back then.

Amazing? More like anyone with the @#/? to stand up to the manager. Unfortunate really cos 'proper' men like those are what every team needs when the chips are down. How much of a difference would Steven N'Zonzi make to the team we have now inplace of the hapless Lowe the geriatric Murphy and bone @#/? idle Etohu? He's already hero worshipped at Stoke and he'd be absolutely immense in this Div and under a proper manager.

With regards to the manager situation I'm fairly sure they are giving Bowyer a month or so to see if they can make their life easier and just give him the job. The only thing they have got right is by saying publically he's not getting it full time takes all the pressure off.

A month eh? Are we getting special transfer window dispensation hasta?

[Teacup]

Amazing?

Sorry, should of said solid haha.