[Archived] New Manager Part 2 - With Poll

[sns4ever]

This is the most accurate description of Sven you will ever find. I could not agree more Rev.

Sven was rated as the second most succesful england manager behind alf ramsey, no other manager has taken England to three consecutive quarter finals in major competitions and considering we have reached one final and one semi final in world cups sven taking us to two quarters is not half bad!The fans even did a 'save our sven' campaign when the fa said they were going to release him!

As I stated earlier cant belive people are saying they would not have sven! this is all set up for the next ridiculous name venkys come out with (micky adams probably)and everyone saying ohhh anyone but him!give me sven over ali,macdonald,taylor,kean,berg,shebby any day of the week!

I would be very underwhelmed with Saunders if I was a wolves fan. A poor appointment if it happens.

Anyone know how their fans feel about that probable appointment?

When the name was first mentioned yesterday the majority of their fans were in uproar as his championship record is terrible!they all want o'driscol as he is a wolves fan

[Black Burn]

To be fair, only for Shebby we had our pick of some very good championship managers but he picked Berg and now they are snapped up.

To be fair, only Ian Holloway proved to be a very good championship manager. I'm glad we didn't get Mick McCarthy, did you see the thrashing of his Ipswich twice? And while he did get them out of the relegation zone, they are still hovering dangerously at 19th place. And despite Bolton getting Gordon Freeman (okay, I know that isn't his real name), they're still below us, and Burnley isn't exactly doing fantastically either with their new manager. Keith Hill just got sacked, with Barnsley stuck at the bottom, and Simon Grayson's Huddersfield is still below us. The only "new" manager who succeeded was Ian Holloway whose Crystal Palace is maintaining 3rd place. Then again, Crystal Palace was always doing well before he took over, so I can't tell if he "turned things around" or took advantage of a very good team who was on form anyway.

So, we had our pick of one very good championship manager, and Shebby Singh blew it by refusing to appoint Holloway for some mysterious reason, but you can't blame him for rejecting the other candidates, now that we've seen how much of an impact they have on their new teams. Even Holloway can be argued not to have an impact on Crystal Palace as they were already on form to begin with (but I still think he's the best of the bunch), so as everyone said it was always going to be hard and unpredictable in appointing a new manager. Shebby Singh just gambled on Henning Berg based on his record with Lille and it didn't work out. The rest ended up being the same after having their respective managers replaced, though you could argue that Ipswich Town has shown a slight improvement. But if it was us, we would have been chanting McCarthy out after the first three games that include 4-0 and 5-0 defeats. So, in the end......no.

Bernrd Schuster, Harry Rednapp, etc.....I wish those would happen, but they were always unlikely to happen, and as you can see neither are managing championship teams at the moment (in fact, Rednapp went on to Queen Park Rangers, which kind of proves that he was after that job and only using us to drive them into action). Tim Sherwood, well, he could have ended up like Henning Berg, we would never know. Gary Filtcroft, no one wanted him because he was mates with Steve Kean.

As you can see, every appointment would have been a gamble, and other than Holloway's appointment, it just didn't work out for the rest. We just happened to be the unluckiest of the bunch, with our gamble proving the unluckiest disaster of all.

[dwayne cage]

I agree whoever it is we need to back them, wouldn't be too disheartened with Brown or Sven. If happens to be Taylor then I will still cheer the team on and back him even though he is far from my first choice.

[jim mk2]

To be fair, only Ian Holloway proved to be a very good championship manager. I'm glad we didn't get Mick McCarthy,.......

So many factual inaccuracies in this post it makes me wonder whether you follow football.

You're very wrong about McCarthy - he's turned a very poor Ipswich side round from relegation certainties to having a decent chance of survival. He's won promotion from this division twice and would have been ideal for us this season.

[sns4ever]

agree jim I believe mccarthy had 17 points from 10 games compared to bergs 6?with a much much worse squad and moral at an all time low as they were bottom when he took over?and brighton are 9th not exactly stuck at the bottom plus they have not changed their manager so not quite sure where they fit in on this conversation?

[roverandout]

cant believe someone could talk down mick mack, hes done wonders as ipswich, turned a certain relegated team into a side that has a very good chance of survival.

[Amo]

To be fair, only Ian Holloway proved to be a very good championship manager. I'm glad we didn't get Mick McCarthy

Yeah, I mean McCarthy's only got Sunderland promoted as Champions and took Wolves up twice.

More topically:

Holloway win rate at Palace - 38.46%

McCarthy's win rate at Ipswich - 50.00%

One managing promotion contenders, the other taking over a beleaguered relegation side.

You were saying?

[Black Burn]

Never mind, I take back what I said about McCarthy. I do think fans would have turned on him after the first 3 games though, after suffering 4-0 and 5-0 defeats, but I forgot about the games after that. My bad.

And it's Barnsley, not Brighton. Sorry.

[Stuart]

Yeah, I mean McCarthy's only got Sunderland promoted as Champions and took Wolves up twice.

More topically:

Holloway win rate at Palace - 38.46%

McCarthy's win rate at Ipswich - 50.00%

One managing promotion contenders, the other taking over a beleaguered relegation side.

You were saying?

Gary Bowyer's win rate at Rovers - 100%

But that's irrelevant because...

It's only 3 games

It's only a reserve team coach

It's only been against x, y and z

We always seem to look at other manager's records and make up our minds about them. It's only when it's our own man that we always point out the reasons not to be optimistic.

[Steve Moss]

Just read in my paper that Ryan Nelsen may be leaving QPR to take up a managerial post in either the U.S. or Canada. ' arry's gutted to be losing him " He's a great leader and one of the best professionals I've ever met in my life ".

I look forward to following his career.

[Amo]

Gary Bowyer's win rate at Rovers - 100%

But that's irrelevant because...

It's only 3 games

It's only a reserve team coach

It's only been against x, y and z

We always seem to look at other manager's records and make up our minds about them. It's only when it's our own man that we always point out the reasons not to be optimistic.

Let's put this into perspective here, Stu. As history would dictate, we're waiting for the caretaker honeymoon to wear off. If Bowyer has a good record after 14 games, then I'm sure even the most cynical supporters will allow themselves some quiet optimism.

[Stuart]

Let's put this into perspective here, Stu. As history would dictate, we're waiting for the caretaker honeymoon to wear off. If Bowyer has a good record after 14 games, then I'm sure even the most cynical supporters will allow themselves some quiet optimism.

Perhaps but...

McCarthy has a 50% win rate after 14 games so 7 wins. Bowyer already has nearly half as many and has only been in the job for two weeks.

3 wins (out of 3) doesn't make Bowyer a good manager but a 30-odd percent doesn't make Ollie a bad one. It's all just stats.

That said, I can't remember the last time we got a 'honeymoon bounce' like this. Long may it continue.

[Tyrone Shoelaces]

I look forward to following his career.

The article mentions a Major League soccer club thought to be Toronto.

[booth]

To be fair, only Ian Holloway proved to be a very good championship manager. I'm glad we didn't get Mick McCarthy, did you see the thrashing of his Ipswich twice? And while he did get them out of the relegation zone, they are still hovering dangerously at 19th place. And despite Bolton getting Gordon Freeman (okay, I know that isn't his real name), they're still below us, and Burnley isn't exactly doing fantastically either with their new manager. Keith Hill just got sacked, with Barnsley stuck at the bottom, and Simon Grayson's Huddersfield is still below us. The only "new" manager who succeeded was Ian Holloway whose Crystal Palace is maintaining 3rd place. Then again, Crystal Palace was always doing well before he took over, so I can't tell if he "turned things around" or took advantage of a very good team who was on form anyway.

So, we had our pick of one very good championship manager, and Shebby Singh blew it by refusing to appoint Holloway for some mysterious reason, but you can't blame him for rejecting the other candidates, now that we've seen how much of an impact they have on their new teams. Even Holloway can be argued not to have an impact on Crystal Palace as they were already on form to begin with (but I still think he's the best of the bunch), so as everyone said it was always going to be hard and unpredictable in appointing a new manager. Shebby Singh just gambled on Henning Berg based on his record with Lille and it didn't work out. The rest ended up being the same after having their respective managers replaced, though you could argue that Ipswich Town has shown a slight improvement. But if it was us, we would have been chanting McCarthy out after the first three games that include 4-0 and 5-0 defeats. So, in the end......no.

Did you see his previous achievements in the championship? And to say that him taking over bottom of the league Ipswich is the same as taking over automatic promotion place Rovers... Well where do I start? I don't have enough time. I'm not a Mick McCarthy fan but come on.

Simon Grayson, again come on. We took arguably his best player from him, and they've just been promoted.

Holloway hasn't made an impact because they were already on form? What I wouldn't have given for a manager to come to us and not made an impact because we were already on form.

Do you regard of any of these things when making these statements or do you base all of your decision making on what's happened in the last forty minutes?

[Amo]

Perhaps but...

McCarthy has a 50% win rate after 14 games so 7 wins. Bowyer already has nearly half as many and has only been in the job for two weeks.

3 wins (out of 3) doesn't make Bowyer a good manager but a 30-odd percent doesn't make Ollie a bad one. It's all just stats.

That said, I can't remember the last time we got a 'honeymoon bounce' like this. Long may it continue.

Yes, those damn lies and statistics. Always get in the way of lateral thinking.

Like I said, if Bowyer can keep this up then we might, just *might*, be onto something. You can't deny that he wouldn't be the first caretaker to get off to a flier and fall by the wayside. People like McCarthy and Holloway have the records to back-up their current form. In this darkest hour, it's very easy to get swept away on the back of three wins, but we still need to remain cautiously optimistic at best.

[booth]

Never mind, I take back what I said about McCarthy. I do think fans would have turned on him after the first 3 games though, after suffering 4-0 and 5-0 defeats, but I forgot about the games after that. My bad.

And it's Barnsley, not Brighton. Sorry.

So what you're basically saying is that regardless of whether he took over at Accrington Stanley or Man Utd he'd have suffered 4-0 and 5-0 defeats too.

[jim mk2]

. My bad.

And it's Barnsley, not Brighton. Sorry.

Your bad what ? Error ? There's a word missing here.

[Stuart]

Perthblue, I think we've found Jim's badge.

[martonrover]

Sven was rated as the second most succesful england manager behind alf ramsey, no other manager has taken England to three consecutive quarter finals in major competitions and considering we have reached one final and one semi final in world cups sven taking us to two quarters is not half bad!The fans even did a 'save our sven' campaign when the fa said they were going to release him!

As I stated earlier cant belive people are saying they would not have sven! this is all set up for the next ridiculous name venkys come out with (micky adams probably)and everyone saying ohhh anyone but him!give me sven over ali,macdonald,taylor,kean,berg,shebby any day of the week!

When the name was first mentioned yesterday the majority of their fans were in uproar as his championship record is terrible!they all want o'driscol as he is a wolves fan

Looking at it purely from a Championship perspective, Sven did not do well with Leicester.

Apart from a few notable exceptions most managers have a use by date.

IMO Sven is past his but, yes, we could do worse.

Oh, and for the Shebby apologist on here ( no names no pack drill ) thank God Venky's did put a block on his latest recommendations.

But for Shebby we probably could've had a sensible appointment both in October ( Holloway / McCarthy ) and now ( Davies ).

[sns4ever]

Looking at it purely from a Championship perspective, Sven did not do well with Leicester.

Apart from a few notable exceptions most managers have a use by date.

IMO Sven is past his but, yes, we could do worse.

Oh, and for the Shebby apologist on here ( no names no pack drill ) thank God Venky's did put a block on his latest recommendations.

But for Shebby we probably could've had a sensible appointment both in October ( Holloway / McCarthy ) and now ( Davies ).

Yeah I agree not saying sven would be my first choice by a long way my point is more with shebby essentially throwing darts at some names on a board in a dark room to come up with sven is quite an achievemnt

[dwayne cage]

Am not so sure they have put the lid on Shebby's suggestions we shall see at the end of January, February or March,..............2014........if we have a club to support by then.

[Black Burn]

So what you're basically saying is that regardless of whether he took over at Accrington Stanley or Man Utd he'd have suffered 4-0 and 5-0 defeats too.

No, I'm basically saying fans would boo him and want him out after the first few games. Which is unfair to him. And he proved them wrong by turning things around and getting them out of the relegation zone.

I already said I take my words about McCarthy back. Never mind.

And I didn't say Ian Holloway didn't have an impact, I'm saying some might argue that he didn't because of whatever reasons, but I personally don't believe those reasons. Simon Grayson isn't struggling, but would you have preferred him or Keith Hill over Henning Berg? That's what I'm asking.

By the way, I'm not a Shebby Singh apologist, I'm just pointing out why it's so hard to appoint the right manager. I'm not saying the managers, McCarthy included, are bad, I'm saying that no matter who we appoint as manager, somebody will find reasons to condemn them. The McCarthy example was just an example, but I'm not saying he's a bad manager. Be honest, the lot of you, imagine if it's just three games after he's been appointed and we lost 2 of those games 4-0 and 5-0, would you not want him out as well? Of course I'm glad he turned things around after that, but that isn't my point. My focus isn't on McCarthy being a bad manager, but more on fans turning on him when results don't go their way.

Basically, I'm saying it's easy to find fault in any manager we appoint. Henning Berg was a failed gamble, and any of the other candidates could prove to be a failed candidate, whether they have a track record or not.

[dwayne cage]

No, I'm basically saying fans would boo him and want him out after the first few games. Which is unfair to him. And he proved them wrong by turning things around and getting them out of the relegation zone.

I already said I take my words about McCarthy back. Never mind.

And I didn't say Ian Holloway didn't have an impact, I'm saying some might argue that he didn't because of whatever reasons, but I personally don't believe those reasons. Simon Grayson isn't struggling, but would you have preferred him or Keith Hill over Henning Berg? That's what I'm asking.

By the way, I'm not a Shebby Singh apologist, I'm just pointing out why it's so hard to appoint the right manager. I'm not saying the managers, McCarthy included, are bad, I'm saying that no matter who we appoint as manager, somebody will find reasons to condemn them. The McCarthy example was just an example, but I'm not saying he's a bad manager. Be honest, the lot of you, imagine if it's just three games after he's been appointed and we lost 2 of those games 4-0 and 5-0, would you not want him out as well? Of course I'm glad he turned things around after that, but that isn't my point. My focus isn't on McCarthy being a bad manager, but more on fans turning on him when results don't go their way.

Basically, I'm saying it's easy to find fault in any manager we appoint. Henning Berg was a failed gamble, and any of the other candidates could prove to be a failed candidate, whether they have a track record or not.

I think what people are findong hard is most of us knew Berg wasn't what we needed....but we cheered him amd backed him. Now we are in a pickle after a failed gamble which a lot of fans guessed would not pay off, and we are again taking ages to put in place a permanent manager........and as every football pundit keeps saying its vital Venkys find the right man with experience to take Rovers forward."

Yeah I agree not saying sven would be my first choice by a long way my point is more with shebby essentially throwing darts at some names on a board in a dark room to come up with sven is quite an achievemnt

Have you been watching security camera footage from Ewood?

[sns4ever]

every apppointment is a gamble at the end of the day and being pessimistic people will always find a fault with anyone we appoint however the club should be reducing the gamble by employing people who have worked in the championship and been succesful in it!the club could appoint RDM and he could do a rubbish job but the fans would agree that it was a sensible appointment and potentially a great appointment but there are no garantees in football!

[martonrover]

No, I'm basically saying fans would boo him and want him out after the first few games. Which is unfair to him. And he proved them wrong by turning things around and getting them out of the relegation zone.

I already said I take my words about McCarthy back. Never mind.

And I didn't say Ian Holloway didn't have an impact, I'm saying some might argue that he didn't because of whatever reasons, but I personally don't believe those reasons. Simon Grayson isn't struggling, but would you have preferred him or Keith Hill over Henning Berg? That's what I'm asking.

By the way, I'm not a Shebby Singh apologist, I'm just pointing out why it's so hard to appoint the right manager. I'm not saying the managers, McCarthy included, are bad, I'm saying that no matter who we appoint as manager, somebody will find reasons to condemn them. The McCarthy example was just an example, but I'm not saying he's a bad manager. Be honest, the lot of you, imagine if it's just three games after he's been appointed and we lost 2 of those games 4-0 and 5-0, would you not want him out as well? Of course I'm glad he turned things around after that, but that isn't my point. My focus isn't on McCarthy being a bad manager, but more on fans turning on him when results don't go their way.

Basically, I'm saying it's easy to find fault in any manager we appoint. Henning Berg was a failed gamble, and any of the other candidates could prove to be a failed candidate, whether they have a track record or not.

The proof of the pudding is in the eating and, no, choosing a manager is not an exact science.

However, the logic is to go after people who've seen it, done it, bought the t-shirt.

By appointing someone who's consistently achieved in this division you are giving yourself the best possible chance of success.

If a pedigree manager has a poor / indifferent start there are firm grounds to keep the faith ( rather than some of the hysteria witnessed during the early part of Berg's tenure ).