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Well who knows how this transfer window will go for us, but Appleton need to get this right imo. We cant afford to let so many players leave, and not bring in anybody. Surely the likes of Edinho, Jorge should be leaving as well. Simon is a quality player, but im guessing that his attitude is why he is leaving, rather than his ability on the field of play.

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He'd be daft not to go to West Brom. QPR look likely to go down and his earning potential will drop as he goes with them.

It does seem to have been about the cash for Hoilett and I hope, for his own sake, he can see the wood for the trees.

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He's just another example of a player who thought he was much better than he actually was. 1 good game in 5 just isn't good enough, but he's made his money so I doubt he's overly bothered.

It's quite clear what's Samba's motivations are these days. A move to a team that plays in a war torn part of Russia, that's so bad that the team only flys in from Moscow for games, but are owned by a billionaire who pays whatever for whoever. He's then off to QPR who are in the middle of a relegation fight. The £100K a week wages have nothing to do with it, rather he wants the challenge that he never got at Rovers. He and Remy will certainly be sticking around next season when QPR are in the Championship. Their love for the club will be the telling factor.

Yes no doubt about it Samba loves the cash, but to give him the credit he deserves, he was tremendous for us, even if he did throw the toys out the pram every season for more money.

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He's just another example of a player who thought he was much better than he actually was. 1 good game in 5 just isn't good enough, but he's made his money so I doubt he's overly bothered.

he whould have chewed defences up in the championship if he whould have stayed never mind we continue

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he whould have chewed defences up in the championship if he whould have stayed never mind we continue

I don't doubt that, but sadly his inflated ego just wouldn't allow him to do that, and now he'll probably find himself moving around mid to bottom of the table premiership clubs and making a very good living for himself.

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We were a top ten side LeChuck and Samba was one of our best players. He has been playing Champions league football as well you know. Don't underrate him, he's a very good centre half.

Samba was my favourite player for a number of years. When at his best, he sometimes seemed to be holding the opposition at bay on his own. I could never understand why people said he wasn't good enough for a top side.

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Samba was my favourite player for a number of years. When at his best, he sometimes seemed to be holding the opposition at bay on his own. I could never understand why people said he wasn't good enough for a top side.

It's completely different defending for a top team. You have to have far deeper concentration levels. For the majority of his time with us Samba specialised in "backs to the wall" defending, dealing with wave after wave of attacks and putting in last ditch tackles.

When you actually analysed the game, though, his poor positional sense is often what led to him having to make those tackles in the first place. For a club from 8th downwards I think Samba would be a great asset, but I have my doubts he has what it takes to make it at a top club and it appears most top managers think the same.

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I don't doubt that, but sadly his inflated ego just wouldn't allow him to do that, and now he'll probably find himself moving around mid to bottom of the table premiership clubs and making a very good living for himself.

For me it's just yet another example of the @#/? poor mentality's we are creating in the youth of today.

It's completely different defending for a top team. You have to have far deeper concentration levels. For the majority of his time with us Samba specialised in "backs to the wall" defending, dealing with wave after wave of attacks and putting in last ditch tackles.

When you actually analysed the game, though, his poor positional sense is often what led to him having to make those tackles in the first place. For a club from 8th downwards I think Samba would be a great asset, but I have my doubts he has what it takes to make it at a top club and it appears most top managers think the same.

Guus Hiddinck makes most og those top 8 managers look rather poor and he's unhappy Samba is leaving. Wenger should have taken the punt on him when he could as he's exactly what they needed. Instead he went for Mertesacker and having watched a lot of Arsenal matches I still rate Samba better and that guy is alos lacking technically as people have put it. Samba is a beast and easily good enough for any of the top teams, however his vocal antics and money demands maybe too much for them as 'the person' will also be strongly considered at said clubs. It's a pity I always felt Samba was made for Arsenal and exactly what they were/are missing steel.

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It's completely different defending for a top team. You have to have far deeper concentration levels. For the majority of his time with us Samba specialised in "backs to the wall" defending, dealing with wave after wave of attacks and putting in last ditch tackles.

When you actually analysed the game, though, his poor positional sense is often what led to him having to make those tackles in the first place. For a club from 8th downwards I think Samba would be a great asset, but I have my doubts he has what it takes to make it at a top club and it appears most top managers think the same.

I think if you were trying to misrepresent what Samba was all about, you couldn't have done a better job DE. You make no mention of his great pace which allowed him to either mark tight or drop off, or us to defend much higher up the park than we've been able to do since he left, No mention of the way he physically dominates his opponent. No mention of the numerous MOTM performances from him, no mention of his threat in the opponents penaly area and no mention of his surging runs into the other half of the park. I don't think his distribution was as bad as some make out either. He doesn't have the silky skills of Mike England or Rio Ferdinand, but not many do. However, his distribution was far better than Nelsen's - and he did OK for us. He has the all round game to play for anyone in the PL.

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What a waste of a God given talent! SAF at MU AND the entire senior squad is about the only place that would instill enough discipline to save his career. Just like Andy Crawford and Franz Carr he is an example of all that is wrong with letting your parent be your agent. No doubt Arry would emulate Cloghie's words and sell him to the Nottingham Pork Butchers Sundaly League team ... just as long as he'd take his Dad with him! :lol:

The trap he is in is that he will be on massive massive money due to being a free agent when he left us.... and Arry doesn't rate him. I can only assume that Hoiletts poor 'professionalism' and fitness is letting him down as Taarabt appears to be the chosen one at QPR (Hughes downfall was in trying to play too many fancy Dans... sound familiar?).

I heard last week that Wayne Bridge is on 70k pw at Brighton with Man City still paying 60k of it. I wonder if Fernandez would go with a similar deal for Hoilett? :rover:

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Samba was my favourite player for a number of years. When at his best, he sometimes seemed to be holding the opposition at bay on his own. I could never understand why people said he wasn't good enough for a top side.

A colossus. Good enough for any top team imo. I don't rem the likes of Bould, Keown, Bruce, Hendry being all that creative but they were all superb stoppers and have all got Prem League winning medals. And compared to the likes of Dawson at Spurs he is like Lionel Messi.

For me it's just yet another example of the @#/? poor mentality's we are creating in the youth of today.

Guus Hiddinck makes most og those top 8 managers look rather poor and he's unhappy Samba is leaving. Wenger should have taken the punt on him when he could as he's exactly what they needed. Instead he went for Mertesacker and having watched a lot of Arsenal matches I still rate Samba better and that guy is alos lacking technically as people have put it. Samba is a beast and easily good enough for any of the top teams, however his vocal antics and money demands maybe too much for them as 'the person' will also be strongly considered at said clubs. It's a pity I always felt Samba was made for Arsenal and exactly what they were/are missing steel.

Indeed so and N'Zonzi would have been good there too. The (brittle) problems at Arsenal that Wenger alluded to after the Lpool game wouldn't have materialised. Still heaven helps them that help themselves as they say.

Samba unfortunately is a bit like Peter Crouch in that he just doesn't look right when he is playing. They both look awkward and for some of the supposed top managers that won't do.

I think if you were trying to misrepresent what Samba was all about, you couldn't have done a better job DE. You make no mention of his great pace which allowed him to either mark tight or drop off, or us to defend much higher up the park than we've been able to do since he left, No mention of the way he physically dominates his opponent. No mention of the numerous MOTM performances from him, no mention of his threat in the opponents penaly area and no mention of his surging runs into the other half of the park. I don't think his distribution was as bad as some make out either. He doesn't have the silky skills of Mike England or Rio Ferdinand, but not many do. However, his distribution was far better than Nelsen's - and he did OK for us. He has the all round game to play for anyone in the PL.

Indeed so. Ryans distribution was below average to poor. Truth is that if I were an opposing CF playing against Nelsen and samba back then I'd have spent most of the time standing next to Ryan and as far away from Big Chris as possible.

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Samba was brilliant. He was an inspiration and a leader on the pitch. Put him next to Nelsen and we had one of the best CH combo's in the prem (IMO). Always felt uneasy when one of them was injured and Givet had to come in.

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I've just posted this on the Transfer window thread:

Posted A minute ago

Craigman, on 31 Jan 2013 - 10:27, said:snapback.png

10.22am Complications in West Ham’s bid to sign Paul Robinson from Blackburn. Deal not dead but looking highly unlikely. Problem is not with the player, but between the two clubs.

Read more: http://www.dailymail...l#ixzz2JY0jSBaY

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And further down in the article, I read that 'Arry's attempts to bring new players in to QPR are being frustrated by his inability to offload, among others, Junior Hoilett. Oooda thowt it?! ^_^

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Guus Hiddinck makes most og those top 8 managers look rather poor and he's unhappy Samba is leaving. Wenger should have taken the punt on him when he could as he's exactly what they needed. Instead he went for Mertesacker and having watched a lot of Arsenal matches I still rate Samba better and that guy is alos lacking technically as people have put it. Samba is a beast and easily good enough for any of the top teams, however his vocal antics and money demands maybe too much for them as 'the person' will also be strongly considered at said clubs. It's a pity I always felt Samba was made for Arsenal and exactly what they were/are missing steel.

Guus manages in the Russian league so I'm sure he is disappointed Samba is leaving. By referencing him you are totally ignoring the context of the competition he is competing in.

As for comparing him with Mertesacker, well duh. Wenger hasn't exactly got a fantastic record when it comes to signing centre-backs though, has he? At times Arsenal's defence makes Hanley and Dann look like superstars. I'm sure Samba would improve Arsenal's defence, but then so would a lot of players outside top 8 clubs.

I think if you were trying to misrepresent what Samba was all about, you couldn't have done a better job DE. You make no mention of his great pace which allowed him to either mark tight or drop off, or us to defend much higher up the park than we've been able to do since he left, No mention of the way he physically dominates his opponent. No mention of the numerous MOTM performances from him, no mention of his threat in the opponents penaly area and no mention of his surging runs into the other half of the park. I don't think his distribution was as bad as some make out either. He doesn't have the silky skills of Mike England or Rio Ferdinand, but not many do. However, his distribution was far better than Nelsen's - and he did OK for us. He has the all round game to play for anyone in the PL.

I wasn't trying to misrepresent him at all. I agree with most of your points. At no point did I say he was a poor player for us, or even a poor player in general. I was only pointing out why I don't believe he ever made it to a top club. Your impassioned defence of him is impressive but I share most of those views anyway.

Fact is if he was as amazing as everyone believes he would have played for a top club at some point. People can make excuses as to why he never made it, but the answer is simpler than the masses of excuses created to explain why he never went to a big club. We suited Samba, and he suited us. A top player for us and I'm not disputing that. It wasn't my point in the first place.

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Indeed so and N'Zonzi would have been good there too. The (brittle) problems at Arsenal that Wenger alluded to after the Lpool game wouldn't have materialised. Still heaven helps them that help themselves as they say.

If Samba and ... N'Zonzi (surely you jest) were good enough for Arsenal, they wouldn't be playing for QPR and Stoke.

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If Samba and ... N'Zonzi (surely you jest) were good enough for Arsenal, they wouldn't be playing for QPR and Stoke.

Exactly. Although I do think N'Zonzi has the potential to in a few years.

If Samba was good enough for any PL team as people suggest, he wouldn't have struggled for a move when looking to leave us, and he'd be joining a better PL team that QPR now.

He's great for mid-lower PL teams that have to do a lot of defending. His lapses and concentration and poor passing would show him up at a bigger club though.

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Was Samba not our highest paid player ever on about 60-65K a week, no way on earth would Wenger pay that and he apparently wanted a pay-rise on that. His money obsessed nature has probably cost him the chance of playing for one of those clubs as I would happyily agree that he's not worth 100K a week. He definitly isn't 20K a week away from where Rio was as his move to QPR would suggest for the reason people have suggested but he's easily equeal to the likes of vermaleen, Konchesky and Merteseker.

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Samba has a 'presence' as well as being an awesome player, I dont think we realise just how good he was/is, the high balls in the box were his and his presence in the opposition box can never be understated, strong and no slouch for a big lad, as for not being good enough for Arsenal, I think you may be mistaken, he would be just the manto shore up the back four there and add some steel and danger from their set plays!!

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Fact is if he was as amazing as everyone believes he would have played for a top club at some point. People can make excuses as to why he never made it, but the answer is simpler than the masses of excuses created to explain why he never went to a big club. We suited Samba, and he suited us. A top player for us and I'm not disputing that. It wasn't my point in the first place.

That doesn't wash with me DE. You said he was a last ditch player put into that position because of his positional failings and poor distribution. To now agree that he was a good player is a bit at odds with your original assessment. Then you say if he's as good as people say, how come none of the top clubs came for him?

I haven't read anyone posting excusus for him not playing at a "top club". He's been playing in the CL which was a big step up for him, albeit in a country that doesn't suit european footballers, so that wasn't likely to last.

As for the English top clubs not buying him so far, well which of those clubs needed a central defender as a priority? If there was one of them needing a CH, those clubs have the best defenders in the world to choose from. The fact they didn't move for Samba doesn't mean he's not top class.

I think most rovers fans rated him very highly.

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