[Archived] Gary Bowyer

[chaddyrovers]

you have to look at the facts hod, cant begrudge someone looking for a big rise but for me he should stick to the reserves for now and let managers manage

have you ever met him???

seems to have done well managing this team for 10 games and better than other managers we had this season

[Lytham]

Don't come on here very often these days, but have to say that Amarillo's last but one post is absolutely bang-on common sense. Bowyer is the only sensible choice for all the reasons that Amarillo explains.

We could have had McCarthy, Davies, Holloway, Freedman but we didn't. As long as the likes of Shebby Singh are around, as long as Venkys are around even, the chances of a good experienced manager being appointed is nil, as near as dammit.

Bowyer has been second only to Rhodes in the short list of good guys in this painful season. He deserves a shot at the job, at the very least.

[thenodrog]

Don't come on here very often these days, but have to say that Amarillo's last but one post is absolutely bang-on common sense. Bowyer is the only sensible choice for all the reasons that Amarillo explains.

We could have had McCarthy, Davies, Holloway, Freedman but we didn't. As long as the likes of Shebby Singh are around, as long as Venkys are around even, the chances of a good experienced manager being appointed is nil, as near as dammit.

Bowyer has been second only to Rhodes in the short list of good guys in this painful season. He deserves a shot at the job, at the very least.

I wouldn't disagree. Any new manager is a gamble but Bowyer has actually come into the job and made a decent fist of it TWICE in a season and one where Berg and Appleton have failed disastrously.

[K-Hod]

you have to look at the facts hod, cant begrudge someone looking for a big rise but for me he should stick to the reserves for now and let managers manage

No- BUT- didn't he say in January, during his first caretaker reign, that he didn't want the job full-time??

No such talk from Kean, he'd have stepped over his own mother to get the chance.

[budha]

have you ever met him???

seems to have done well managing this team for 10 games and better than other managers we had this season

Second best to Kean.

[Stuart]

Don't come on here very often these days, but have to say that Amarillo's last but one post is absolutely bang-on common sense. Bowyer is the only sensible choice for all the reasons that Amarillo explains.

We could have had McCarthy, Davies, Holloway, Freedman but we didn't. As long as the likes of Shebby Singh are around, as long as Venkys are around even, the chances of a good experienced manager being appointed is nil, as near as dammit.

Bowyer has been second only to Rhodes in the short list of good guys in this painful season. He deserves a shot at the job, at the very least.

People seem to feel it absolutely fine to give Singh stick but not Shagnew.

What if... Singh made Kean's position untenable

What if...Berg was not Singh's choice

What if...Appleton was not Singh's choice

What if...Singh pulled out all the stops to sign Rhodes

Virtually everything on messageboard so let's speculate for one second that Singh is the good guy, albeit an egotist with a big mouth and no filter.

What if... he did want to bring in a proper manager but the imposters on our 'board' knew it would mean the end of their gravy train?

Personally, I think some would still find fault and want him out. I've said it many times, Singh is his own worst enemy. Meanwhile the club's PR company only seems to work for part of the club... odd that.

[T.J.Newton]

No- BUT- didn't he say in January, during his first caretaker reign, that he didn't want the job full-time??

No such talk from Kean, he'd have stepped over his own mother to get the chance.

that's the only sticking point with me, he has to 100% want the job(and a career in management) and not just take because he being pressured into it(by fans and certain brfc board members)

[T.J.Newton]

People seem to feel it absolutely fine to give Singh stick but not Shagnew.

What if... Singh made Kean's position untenable

What if...Berg was not Singh's choice

What if...Appleton was not Singh's choice

What if...Singh pulled out all the stops to sign Rhodes

Virtually everything on messageboard so let's speculate for one second that Singh is the good guy, albeit an egotist with a big mouth and no filter.

What if... he did want to bring in a proper manager but the imposters on our 'board' knew it would mean the end of their gravy train?

Personally, I think some would still find fault and want him out. I've said it many times, Singh is his own worst enemy. Meanwhile the club's PR company only seems to work for part of the club... odd that.

you've answered your own question/rant

also hasn't singh spent years as a pundit, so he should really know better than anybody how to handle himself in interviews, etc....

They're all fools, that's all there is to it(some more corrupt whilst others more stupid, but all fools none the less )

[Stuart]

you've answered your own question/rant

There all fools, that's all there is to it(some more corrupt whilst others more stupid, but all fools none the less )

Not really a rant, more an observation.

My big worry is that a clueless Malaysian pundit might care more about Rovers than two blokes from Lancashire! Although that's probably a given considering they are PNE fans!

[ABBEY]

[chaddyrovers]

I wouldn't disagree. Any new manager is a gamble but Bowyer has actually come into the job and made a decent fist of it TWICE in a season and one where Berg and Appleton have failed disastrously.

very true

No- BUT- didn't he say in January, during his first caretaker reign, that he didn't want the job full-time??

No such talk from Kean, he'd have stepped over his own mother to get the chance.

think Bowyer did want the job then and still wants it now but wont go public with it incase he doesnt get it. shows what a class person he is really. nothing like a former manager we had at the start of this eason

Berg was Singh choice but all three of Shebby, Shaw and Agnew had to agree on a manager.

[Stuart]

Berg was Singh choice but all three of Shebby, Shaw and Agnew had to agree on a manager.

Where is your proof of this? Even Shaw said he was no-one's first choice.

[patrickvalery]

People seem to feel it absolutely fine to give Singh stick but not Shagnew.

What if... Singh made Kean's position untenable

What if...Berg was not Singh's choice

What if...Appleton was not Singh's choice

What if...Singh pulled out all the stops to sign Rhodes

Virtually everything on messageboard so let's speculate for one second that Singh is the good guy, albeit an egotist with a big mouth and no filter.

What if... he did want to bring in a proper manager but the imposters on our 'board' knew it would mean the end of their gravy train?

Personally, I think some would still find fault and want him out. I've said it many times, Singh is his own worst enemy. Meanwhile the club's PR company only seems to work for part of the club... odd that.

Stuart, i don't know whether you're playing devils advocate here or not, but it pretty much sums up how i feel about Singh.

Don't get me wrong, i still think he is out to self promote whenever possible. But lets be honest, most of the people you meet everyday are exactly that to a greater or lesser degree. Anyone driven to suceed has to be i think.

However, i don't believe that Singh has bad intentions for the club. I don't believe in his vision and the success he believes it will yield. But i don't have him down as a sinister character in this pantomime. I think this is why we continue to hear how he has been 'putting out fires' during his time at Rovers. He is undoubtedly unqualified for the job and every time he opens his trap he just reinforces this. But i don't think his intention is to milk the Rovers cash cow. Then again, why would he need to on 400k p/a?

I think we need to look at Shebby and his appointment as an indicator as to how much our owners actually know about what they are dealing with. IMO, he is on Venky's books because this way he can't be sacked by Rovers and he can act as a boardroom representative for and behalf of Venky's directly. He is as close to an expert as Venky's can find and his opinion (at a cost of 400k p/a) is seen as good value when you consider the advice they have taken previously. The Portuguese experiment seems to have been Singhs and it was (as you may expect from such a man) poorly thought out considering the agent links we've endured recently. But from the point of view of the Venky's, it may have clawed back some of their outlays if even one had come good.

All told, Singh and his very association with Rovers just adds to the nation wide ridicule, However, it would seem to me that he might just be the best of a very very bad bunch at Rovers. Even with the extramarital rumours and misguided friendships with certain folk.

[chaddyrovers]

Where is your proof of this? Even Shaw said he was no-one's first choice.

look at what Kamy and Glen Mullan said after Berg appointment that he wasnt everybody 1st choice but the only three they could agree on. FFS

[Stuart]

Stuart, i don't know whether you're playing devils advocate here or not, but it pretty much sums up how i feel about Singh.

Don't get me wrong, i still think he is out to self promote whenever possible. But lets be honest, most of the people you meet everyday are exactly that to a greater or lesser degree. Anyone driven to suceed has to be i think.

However, i don't believe that Singh has bad intentions for the club. I don't believe in his vision and the success he believes it will yield. But i don't have him down as a sinister character in this pantomime. I think this is why we continue to hear how he has been 'putting out fires' during his time at Rovers. He is undoubtedly unqualified for the job and every time he opens his trap he just reinforces this. But i don't think his intention is to milk the Rovers cash cow. Then again, why would he need to on 400k p/a?

I think we need to look at Shebby and his appointment as an indicator as to how much our owners actually know about what they are dealing with. IMO, he is on Venky's books because this way he can't be sacked by Rovers and he can act as a boardroom representative for and behalf of Venky's directly. He is as close to an expert as Venky's can find and his opinion (at a cost of 400k p/a) is seen as good value when you consider the advice they have taken previously. The Portuguese experiment seems to have been Singhs and it was (as you may expect from such a man) poorly thought out considering the agent links we've endured recently. But from the point of view of the Venky's, it may have clawed back some of their outlays if even one had come good.

All told, Singh and his very association with Rovers just adds to the nation wide ridicule, However, it would seem to me that he might just be the best of a very very bad bunch at Rovers. Even with the extramarital rumours and misguided friendships with certain folk.

I agree with this.

My first choice would be Venkys out and the whole club cleansed (a pipe dream).

Second choice would be for the boardroom to be 'let go' and for Venkys to beg Williams and Finn to return to run the club (not a chance with D's ego/pride).

Third would be the board clear out with a bunch of Rovers fans put in there, and replace the PNE lot (ditto).

However, after that I would prefer to see the back of Shagnew before Singh. (Singh could be the new half time draw master and stadium announcer). Gerald and Co can be promoted to running the club. At least they'd give two @#/?.

look at what Kamy and Glen Mullan said after Berg appointment that he wasnt everybody 1st choice but the only three they could agree on. FFS

Excuse me? FFS? FFS? That's your conclusive proof?

He was nobodies first choice - exactly what I said. YOU said he was Singh's choice.

[chaddyrovers]

I agree with this.

My first choice would be Venkys out and the whole club cleansed (a pipe dream).

Second choice would be for the boardroom to be 'let go' and for Venkys to beg Williams and Finn to return to run the club (not a chance with D's ego/pride).

Third would be the board clear out with a bunch of Rovers fans put in there, and replace the PNE lot (ditto).

However, after that I would prefer to see the back of Shagnew before Singh. (Singh could be the new half time draw master and stadium announcer). Gerald and Co can be promoted to running the club. At least they'd give two @#/?.

Excuse me? FFS? FFS? That's your conclusive proof?

He was nobodies first choice - exactly what I said. YOU said he was Singh's choice.

yeah. Kamy and GM have excellent source and good 'ITK' people.

Singh wanted Berg after meeting him. Singh didnt want Holloway or McCarthy. Plus Singh first choice seemed to be Tim Sherwood for some reason. dont really know why he is.

[roverandout]

i might have gone overboard with comparing him with kean, as kean is a poisonous toad but my comparison still stands in the fact that this is a guy with no managerial experience who had made a decent start ala kean, how do we know this upturn in form isnt something to do with the players knowing that relegation was a real possibility and that they may have to take a pay-cut if we went down?? rovers cant afford another gamble, in 6 months time and imagine rovers are in the bottom 3, would people have any hesitiation in calling for bowyer's head or would they all say he loves the club? etc

[DE.]

i might have gone overboard with comparing him with kean, as kean is a poisonous toad but my comparison still stands in the fact that this is a guy with no managerial experience who had made a decent start ala kean, how do we know this upturn in form isnt something to do with the players knowing that relegation was a real possibility and that they may have to take a pay-cut if we went down?? rovers cant afford another gamble, in 6 months time and imagine rovers are in the bottom 3, would people have any hesitiation in calling for bowyer's head or would they all say he loves the club? etc

Your flaw comes in saying Kean had a decent start. In his first 12 games we won 3, drew 2 and lost 7. If that's a good start you must have very low expectations.

[Stuart]

yeah. Kamy and GM have excellent source and good 'ITK' people.

Singh wanted Berg after meeting him. Singh didnt want Holloway or McCarthy. Plus Singh first choice seemed to be Tim Sherwood for some reason. dont really know why he is.

You are quoting Kamy and Glen saying "Berg was no-one's first choice" as proof of your assertion that Berg was Singh's choice.

That isn't actually proof at all.

[Amo]

People seem to feel it absolutely fine to give Singh stick but not Shagnew.

No they don't. This is BRAG apologist rubbish.

[Tom]

It's all relative chaddy.

Hughes or Bowyer? Hughes

Bowyer or Murphy? Bowyer

If Bowyer is in charge next season, it's cos we can't afford/attract better.

100% agree Stuart

For me Bowyer has earned a crack at it, I'm still not 100% sure he is the right choice long term but I can't see any better options being within reach for us

[Parsonblue]

Personally, I find Agnew, Singh, and Shaw all as bad as one another. We are in the position we are in because these three are not up to the roles they have been given. Too much internal bickering has destroyed our season and I'm of the firm belief that we will only move forward when all three are gone.

[Stuart]

No they don't. This is BRAG apologist rubbish.

It really isn't.

Can you explain why time and again people target Singh rather than the lot of them?

Personally, I find Agnew, Singh, and Shaw all as bad as one another. We are in the position we are in because these three are not up to the roles they have been given. Too much internal bickering has destroyed our season and I'm of the firm belief that we will only move forward when all three are gone.

+1

Shingnew Out

[roverandout]

Your flaw comes in saying Kean had a decent start. In his first 12 games we won 3, drew 2 and lost 7. If that's a good start you must have very low expectations.

premierleague, this is the championship, its comparative, probably 2 wins here equates to 1 win in the premiership

[DE.]

It really isn't.

Can you explain why time and again people target Singh rather than the lot of them?

To be fair Stu, this isn't true. Agnew and Shaw get pelters all the time, especially recently with the on-going court case. Singh gets attacked mostly whenever he spouts nonsense (which unfortunately for him and us is quite often).

premierleague, this is the championship, its comparative, probably 2 wins here equates to 1 win in the premiership

Er, no. Kean took over a team doing pretty well in the Premier League with a decent squad. Bowyer inherited an absolute mess both times and a truly pathetic squad. If anything it's the other way around.