[Archived] Gary Bowyer

[Amo]

Far from it .. The thing I do object to is people'who are far away who constantly have snipes at people who are trying to rid us of the venkys and people who say you should boycott and not go to games who never go to games anyway .

So if I didn't live "far away" it would be fair game? You don't even know what you're talking about.

[ABBEY]

Aye 40 + years a season ticket holder . I know nowt .

[Mike E]

Aye 40 + years a season ticket holder . I know nowt .

To be fair Abs, he has a valid point. If I held his opinion (and I did for quite a while), what would you say? I'm still not particularly keen on BRAG (their dodgy press releases made a bad impression imo) but I appreciate the work they've done behind the scenes in getting the truth closer to the surface.

I'm more local than Am'o, so what validity would your statement of 'people who live miles away' have?

[Gav]

Is this actually based on anything? You seem to have a remarkable lack of faith in Bowyer given you were prepared to back Berg to the hilt.

His results haven't changed a bit since "falling under the venky spell" (whenever that happened and whatever it involved) so it must be a pretty harmless version of the spell.

And after 10 games...so you think Bowyer will be a good manager for his first 23 matches as a manager, and then will suddenly turn rubbish? I assume you've invented this strange managerial phenomenon, does it have a name?

Is it actually based on anything?? Have you learnt nothing over the past couple of seasons SK??

We need an experienced manager, not a stand in reserve team coach for goodness sake and on that basis alone I don't want Bowyer to given the job full time.

As for backing Berg, well as BlackburnRovers supporters that's what we do isn't it? Back the manager until he deserves backing no more.....

[ABBEY]

To be fair Abs, he has a valid point. If I held his opinion (and I did for quite a while), what would you say? I'm still not particularly keen on BRAG (their dodgy press releases made a bad impression imo) but I appreciate the work they've done behind the scenes in getting the truth closer to the surface.

I'm more local than Am'o, so what validity would your statement of 'people who live miles away' have?

It's more to do with consistent critisism of brag and him doing nothing but at people trying . My point about him being far away is aimed at him and others who are always saying how fans should boycott and not go , it's ok saying that if you go to games but its s cheap and pathetic response when you don't go anyway.

My other love is the broncos and I would never go a forum and slag local fans who go week in week out .

[T4E]

Is it actually based on anything?? Have you learnt nothing over the past couple of seasons SK??

We need an experienced manager, not a stand in reserve team coach for goodness sake and on that basis alone I don't want Bowyer to given the job full time.

To be honest I think what we've learned in the last two seasons is that we need a manager that the players are willing to perform for. We've not had that since Sam, and it's arguable that the players respect for Bowyer is what undermined Appleton.

[Stuart]

I'd sooner keep Bowyer as the 21st century Tony Parkes, and bring in someone who really knows how to take a team into the Play-Off positions or better. Players are fickle, they'd get behind a proper manager - and, with respect, neither Berg nor Appleton were really the right candidates.

I'm not sure that Bowyer can really go back to the Reserves now though. He's proven he has something about him. I guess it comes down to his ambition.

I'm really grateful to what he's done for the club and maybe he should get the keys to the town but do I want Bowyer as our next permanent manager? Not really. Would I chuck my season ticket if he were given it full time? No, I'd support him.

There are plenty of other reasons to chuck the season ticket, mind.

[Oklahoma]

For me there are two reasonable solutions: Bowyer or an experienced manager.

Bowyer has done well this season, specially considering the quality and moral of the team.

So for me, he deserves to be the manager naxt year, if he wants to.

If he doesn't, it should be a manager with this characteristcs:

Minimun 10 year experience in Premier/Championship.

Previous successfull experience promoting a club to the Premiership

Good transfer record

[Stuart]

For me there are two reasonable solutions: Bowyer or an experienced manager.

Bowyer has done well this season, specially considering the quality and moral of the team.

So for me, he deserves to be the manager naxt year, if he wants to.

If he doesn't, it should be a manager with this characteristcs:

Minimun 10 year experience in Premier/Championship.

Previous successfull experience promoting a club to the Premiership

Good transfer record

If your list is what we really need, and if we can do better, then we shouldn't be messing around waiting to see if an inexperienced, if fortuitous, caretaker manager wants it.

[T4E]

I'd sooner keep Bowyer as the 21st century Tony Parkes, and bring in someone who really knows how to take a team into the Play-Off positions or better. Players are fickle, they'd get behind a proper manager - and, with respect, neither Berg nor Appleton were really the right candidates.

I'm not sure that Bowyer can really go back to the Reserves now though. He's proven he has something about him. I guess it comes down to his ambition.

I'm really grateful to what he's done for the club and maybe he should get the keys to the town but do I want Bowyer as our next permanent manager? Not really. Would I chuck my season ticket if he were given it full time? No, I'd support him.

There are plenty of other reasons to chuck the season ticket, mind.

Tony Parkes was pretty unique. We can't dick around all Summer trying to find someone better then expect Bowyer to step in to the breach when we don't. He's proved he's capable and we have far bigger problems to sort.

[Amo]

It's more to do with consistent critisism of brag and him doing nothing but at people trying . My point about him being far away is aimed at him and others who are always saying how fans should boycott and not go , it's ok saying that if you go to games but its s cheap and pathetic response when you don't go anyway.

My other love is the broncos and I would never go a forum and slag local fans who go week in week out .

Make your mind up, Abbey. Are we talking about BRAG or are we talking about boycotts? Basically, you don't agree with what I think, but rather than actually debate that, you'd rather resort to ad hominem attacks based on my proximity to the ground. Good one.

Oh, and please spare me the patented 'What are YOU doing to change things!?' which usually spills from the mouths of GM's apologists. Venky's are doing a grand job of exposing their incompetence to the footballing world without supporters getting involved in board-room battles. In my book, that only makes them part of the problem they're reputedly trying to solve.

I'm not afraid to express what other people are thinking. You might try to discredit me with your cheap tactics but i'll stand my ground as long I feel justified in my belief.

[Oklahoma]

If your list is what we really need, and if we can do better, then we shouldn't be messing around waiting to see if an inexperienced, if fortuitous, caretaker manager wants it.

For me it's quite simple.

Make a list of all the managers available in the next 15 days, just to include managers that are possibly going to be fired.

Make a short list of the managers that meet the criteria.

Offer the job to Bowyer with a week deadline and, if he doesn't accept, try to get the best manager available.

[Stuart]

Tony Parkes was pretty unique. We can't dick around all Summer trying to find someone better then expect Bowyer to step in to the breach when we don't. He's proved he's capable and we have far bigger problems to sort.

If bringing in Bowyer meant that the boardroom would be fumigated, I'd 100% agree. But since it won't, I can't.

Stick a patsy (in this context someone compliant and subservient to the current regime) in and we'll see nothing change. As good as Bowyer has been, he cannot - we cannot - continue as we are and expect to be any kind of stability.

For instance, in terms of management, is Bowyer equipped to operate in the transfer market? Does he have the necessary contacts? Can we afford another novice getting up to speed? Or will Singh or a.n.other be in charge of recruitment and hand him back half a dozen Portuguese lads or someone's son that he has to fit in whilst the better players are sold to keep the wolves from the doors?

I'm pretty convinced that Bowyer is a fantastic coach but I'm not at all sure he has the presence as a manager.

We will see.

[T4E]

What reason is there to believe that a new manager would fumigate the boardroom?

I'm not saying they're linked, but sorting one quickly would give more time to sort the other. After all, all the Kean stuff helped deflect blame from the owners for a long time, a manager saga over the Summer could do the same.

[Stuart]

For me it's quite simple.

Make a list of all the managers available in the next 15 days, just to include managers that are possibly going to be fired.

Make a short list of the managers that meet the criteria.

Offer the job to Bowyer with a week deadline and, if he doesn't accept, try to get the best manager available.

Not for me. If we are chucking hopeful scenarios together then I'd guarantee Gary's reserve team job then I'd ask him to bear with us while we clear the decks at board level. I'd promise to keep him informed of progress over the Summer.

Sadly I think Bowyer is Agnew's man. So it's unlikely that will happen.

What reason is there to believe that a new manager would fumigate the boardroom?

It's not cause and effect. A new, experience man is only likely to come in if we fumigate the boardroom.

It's my opinion that with Bowyer in, nothing else will change.

And that's not going to be good enough.

[SIMON GARNERS 194]

He deserves a shot at being the manager if he wants it

Oh for Gods sake PLEASE not again (head in hands) have we learnt nothing?

[Gav]

To be honest I think what we've learned in the last two seasons is that we need a manager that the players are willing to perform for. We've not had that since Sam, and it's arguable that the players respect for Bowyer is what undermined Appleton.

You make a very good point, but can we really allow Murphy and Co to dictate managerial selections? That would be a very bad move in my book.

We need a strong manager with plenty of experience, but we'll not get one, we'll get a puppet, and keep bouncing from crisis to crisis until confused of Pune decide to sell.

[ABBEY]

Make your mind up, Abbey. Are we talking about BRAG or are we talking about boycotts? Basically, you don't agree with what I think, but rather than actually debate that, you'd rather resort to ad hominem attacks based on my proximity to the ground. Good one.

Oh, and please spare me the patented 'What are YOU doing to change things!?' which usually spills from the mouths of GM's apologists. Venky's are doing a grand job of exposing their incompetence to the footballing world without supporters getting involved in board-room battles. In my book, that only makes them part of the problem they're reputedly trying to solve.

I'm not afraid to express what other people are thinking. You might try to discredit me with your cheap tactics but i'll stand my ground as long I feel justified in my belief.

You sound like a Steve kean post match interview.. Ftr anyone who knows me will tell you that I'm no ones apologist . .. But what have you done apart from slag fans off .. Oh yea your boycotting but never went before boycotting .

On topic .. Forever grateful for what bowyer did but if he's made manager I can't see him being allowed to bring in players he wants , only what other people want.

[Gav]

Oh for Gods sake PLEASE not again (head in hands) have we learnt nothing?

The mind boggles SG, people just don't learn do they....

[chaddyrovers]

Not for me. If we are chucking hopeful scenarios together then I'd guarantee Gary's reserve team job then I'd ask him to bear with us while we clear the decks at board level. I'd promise to keep him informed of progress over the Summer.

Sadly I think Bowyer is Agnew's man. So it's unlikely that will happen.

and how long is this going to take tbh??? sacking people and appointing new members of the board will take weeks at least 6 weeks IMO.

we need to appoint the manager whoever this is within in the next 3 weeks for me. cos the manager need to sort of pre season, friendly games and sort out the playing squad plus bring in staff whether its Bowyer as manager or whoever.

the season starts on 3rd August, so the players will be back Mid June till give them 6 weeks of training before the Championship season starts

[den]

On topic .. Forever grateful fo.r what bowyer did but if he's made manager I can't see him being allowed to bring in players he wants , only what other people want.

I think so too Abbey.

[chaddyrovers]

Oh for Gods sake PLEASE not again (head in hands) have we learnt nothing?

Bowyer would be my choice because we arent going to be able to get in a decent manager.

plus Bowyer over 10 leagues has done excellent.

dont so what people are against Bowyer for? without him we would be down for sure or is that people wants.

[T4E]

You make a very good point, but can we really allow Murphy and Co to dictate managerial selections? That would be a very bad move in my book.

We need a strong manager with plenty of experience, but we'll not get one, we'll get a puppet, and keep bouncing from crisis to crisis until confused of Pune decide to sell.

Definitely not. Back during his first spell in charge I would have been worried about Bowyer and his allegiance to Murphy, but I think he's shown this time that he's seem him for what he is. I hope.

I agree with the theory - I previously agreed with LeChuck that if a Mick McCarthy type is around I'd be all for that. But if that person is not available immediately we need to move on, appoint Bowyer and give him a full Summer to work on what he wants the squad to look like next year.

[chaddyrovers]

On topic .. Forever grateful for what bowyer did but if he's made manager I can't see him being allowed to bring in players he wants , only what other people want.

if Bowyer isnt allow to do it his way then I dont think He would take tbh. Bowyer has to do it his way and be judge on his results and signings

[gumboots]

Bowyer would be my choice because we arent going to be able to get in a decent manager.

plus Bowyer over 10 leagues has done excellent.

dont so what people are against Bowyer for? without him we would be down for sure or is that people wants.

Noone's against him. Most of us think he's done well - far better than we could reasonably have expected. however, there's a big difference between firefighting short term and taking over the reins of the club. Also listening to him speaking i think he gets his real pleasure in football from developing the youngsters and working at getting them into the first team, and I'd love to be able to keep him doing that. Only if we're absolutely sure there's nobody better prepared to take on the job should he be offered it. Not fair to a guy who's done a good job perhaps but it's time someone sorted this place out and fairness shouldn't really come into it, provided he is well rewarded for what he's done so far and not shortchanged by the owners.