[Archived] Gary Bowyer

[Gally]

Bowyer's overall record is -

P 12 W 6 D 3 L 3 Pts 21

Over a 46 game season that would have given around 80 points. Hull are sat in 2nd right now with one game left on 78 points.

He deserves his chance.

To be fair, nobody's saying that his spell hasn't been impressive, only that there's still a massive question mark about how sustainable that is over a full season when everyone's back isn't against the wall.

Should a proven reletively big name be daft enough to want the job then I'd still be much more comfortable going with them rather than Bowyer. If the sort of names in the mix are as underwhelming as I expect however, then I agree, Boywer deserves his chance above another novice.

[martonrover]

As stated before, the clamour for Bowyer reminds me of the clamour for Tony Parkes.

In the event, Parkes could only achieve mediocrity and that was when Jack was still with us and backing the club.

Realistically if Bowyer could achieve mediocrity under this regime it would constitute success.

It seems likely he'll get it and if so good luck to him.

Boy will he need it.

[West Yorks Rover]

I have no reason whatsoever not to attend matches.

Oh, apart from the fact that I will not fund the destruction of the club.

The identity of the next manager is a complete irrelevance. I have kicked the dog in the ballacks 15 times and each time it has turned round and bit my leg. What will happen next time? A. It won't bite my leg B. Shebby Singh will bite my leg C. It will bite my leg again. Answer this and you have taken a big step towards the next stage of natural selection.

Totally agree.

The only solution is train your dog to bite Singh, Shaw and Agnew in the ballacks(are you Irish)

[Gav]

I have no reason whatsoever not to attend matches.

Oh, apart from the fact that I will not fund the destruction of the club.

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So the comparison doesn't apply to you PH......

[chris_h]

Nigel Pearson? close to being sack at Leicester

Coyle?

McClaren?

Robinson?

Mcleish?

would fans be happy with them if one of these is appointed? doubt it?

Owen Coyle has described Rovers as a 'fantastic club' but I still don't think he would take the job with the current regime. If we got sorted out at boardroom level however, that might change. If it did he would be my choice.

Other than that Bowyer deserves a go and has done enough to suggest that it isn't beyond the realms of possibility that he might be the next Adkins or McDermott.

[J*B]

Can I just ask, people keep mentioning this 'major squad overhaul' in summer. What on earth gives you that impression?

[martonrover]

Owen Coyle has described Rovers as a 'fantastic club' but I still don't think he would take the job with the current regime. If we got sorted out at boardroom level however, that might change. If it did he would be my choice.

Other than that Bowyer deserves a go and has done enough to suggest that it isn't beyond the realms of possibility that he might be the next Adkins or McDermott.

He would have to be the next J Christ to emulate them at our madhouse.

[Gav]

We should close the thread now as it matters not one jot who gets the job whilst its being run by idiots....

[ABBEY]

Owen Coyle has described Rovers as a 'fantastic club' but I still don't think he would take the job with the current regime. If we got sorted out at boardroom level however, that might change. If it did he would be my choice.

Other than that Bowyer deserves a go and has done enough to suggest that it isn't beyond the realms of possibility that he might be the next Adkins or McDermott.

coyle is a one season dingle wonder. Apart from one good season whats he done?

[RoyRover]

As much as I thank Gary Bowyer for what he has done, I don't think that in normal circumstances he would be my first choice for manager. But with the owners we have running things the way they are, I don't see us being able to improvre upon him. He has done well and while he wouldn't be the man to get us promoted, he could be the man to do enough to keep us in the division. It's depressing to be talking like that, but those are the days that we live in.

[chris_h]

coyle is a one season dingle wonder. Apart from one good season whats he done?

Getting Burnley up was miraculous, By the time of the Play Off Final they were on the verge of a transfer embargo. They were mid table in the Premiership when he left for Bolton.

Admittedly, things had gone awry at the Reebok by the end but by and large, Coyle has good track record and his teams play attractive attacking football

[Amo]

You're credibility is questionable because you don't go to games Topman.

Whereas your credibility isn't, because you go to games, GAV? I just want to get this straight before I explain how absurd it is on so many levels.

I'd also say the select group of people you refer to have done more good than you and your fellow detractors will ever do during you time supporting the club via your armchair.

Which I assume you'll still be saying when Shebby's calling the shots again, eh?

I'm not against people that can't attend matches, plenty have valid reasons, but you do not, yet you see fit to slag of people that attend all games and try to make a difference outside of match days.

That's simply not true, and just like Abbey you have to resort to slander because you don't have anything pertinent to say. Did I slag off the protests? I think you'll find quite the opposite, in fact. I defended them on numerous occasions. Don't let facts get in the way of a good story, though.

Hypocrisy of the highest order in my book.

That book obviously isn't a dictionary.

[ABBEY]

Whereas your credibility isn't, because you go to games, GAV? I just want to get this straight before I explain how absurd it is on so many levels.Which I assume you'll still be saying when Shebby's calling the shots again, eh?That's simply not true, and just like Abbey you have to resort to slander because you don't have anything pertinent to say. Did I slag off the protests? I think you'll find quite the opposite, in fact. I defended them on numerous occasions. Don't let facts get in the way of a good story, though.That book obviously isn't a dictionary.

Amarillo

Amarillo

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' ABBEY', on 06 Nov 2011 - 22:03, said:

Did you march?

No? I made my position clear on protests. They don't work.

Also, for people saying attendances have no impact, that's absurd. If that were true, the club wouldn't have worked so hard to facilitate ticket prices for the fans.

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MMMMMMMMM YOU DO GET CONFUSED OWD LAD

[bypass06]

We must learn from this year, says Bowyer

http://www.lancashiretelegraph.co.uk/sport/football/10385418._/?

Bowyer will wait for any Ewood talks

http://www.lancashiretelegraph.co.uk/sport/10385414._/?

[Blandy]

Venkys have Keaned up the last 3 Managerial appointments, does anyone think that this time they will get it right? On that basis i'd give it Bowyer.

Under Bowyer Rovers have managed just under the magic 2 points a game average which is automatic promotion form, the Palace match we actually looked threatening going forward and for the first time since Big Sam we had a manager on the touchline with a bit of fire in his belly, he was fighting for every free kick, every throwing and even gave Holloway what for.

Venkys are going to do next season the cheap and Bowyer will be the safest bet as manager.

[martonrover]

As much as I thank Gary Bowyer for what he has done, I don't think that in normal circumstances he would be my first choice for manager. But with the owners we have running things the way they are, I don't see us being able to improvre upon him. He has done well and while he wouldn't be the man to get us promoted, he could be the man to do enough to keep us in the division. It's depressing to be talking like that, but those are the days that we live in.

Sadly this is true.

Mediocrity would now be deemed as acceptable, which is a sad state of affairs.

[Amo]

Amarillo

Amarillo

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' ABBEY', on 06 Nov 2011 - 22:03, said:

No? I made my position clear on protests. They don't work.

Also, for people saying attendances have no impact, that's absurd. If that were true, the club wouldn't have worked so hard to facilitate ticket prices for the fans.

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MMMMMMMMM YOU DO GET CONFUSED OWD LAD

That's my personal opinion on protests. I never criticized people FOR protesting.

Case in point, post #14 of this thread:

http://www.brfcs.com/mb/index.php/topic/25634-jason-roberts-the-protests-are-affecting-the-young-players/

[Steve Kean's Hypnotoad]

Its invalid to assume he's mediocre because its his first shot at management, just as its invalid to assume he's brilliant because of his results so far.

We don't know either way at this point, so its not a sad state of affairs at all. We've got an excellent caretaker manager and its up to us to decide whether we want to make him permanent.

Steve Clarke, Nigel Adkins, Chris Hughton, Dougie Freedman and Chris Powell were all backroom staff at clubs not long ago, and all are now making a success out of management.

[mhead]

Abbey....let it rest.

12,030 Posts from Hampshire....but admits to not going(maybe Bournemouth next year?)

Keyboard warrior. One of many-unlike Hughesy and RoversMum etc who are rarely seen on here with the abject decline.

[Amo]

Abbey....let it rest.

12,030 Posts from Hampshire....but admits to not going(maybe Bournemouth next year?)

Keyboard warrior. One of many-unlike Hughesy and RoversMum etc who are rarely seen on here with the abject decline.

[T4E]

Embarassing.

[PAFELL]

You sound like a Steve kean post match interview.. Ftr anyone who knows me will tell you that I'm no ones apologist . .. But what have you done apart from slag fans off .. Oh yea your boycotting but never went before boycotting .

On topic .. Forever grateful for what bowyer did but if he's made manager I can't see him being allowed to bring in players he wants , only what other people want.

Sadly I think that will be the case whoever is the manager.

[DaveyB]

People keep saying that we need an 'experienced' manager, that in order to get promoted we need someone who has been promoted from the championship before. I'm not sure that is the case.

Looking back over the previous few seasons:

2010/11

QPR - Neil Warnock - experienced - 2 previous promotions from Championship

Norwich - Paul Lambert - limited experience - no previous promotion from Championship

Swansea - Brendan Rogers - limited experience - no previous promotion from Championship

2011/12

Reading - Brian McDermott - no real experience - no previous promotions

Southampton - Nigel Adkins - limited experience - no previous promotion from Championship

West Ham - Sam Allardyce - experienced - 1 previous promotion from Championship

2012/13

Cardiff - Malky Mackay - limited experience - no previous promotion from Championship

Hull (?) - Steve Bruce - experienced - 2 previous promotions from the Championship

Watford (?) - Gianfranco Zola - limited experience - no previous promotions

So recent history at least would seem to suggest that experience isn't quite the requisite for promotion that some would have us believe.

Personally, after seeing so many people fail to get us playing well and pick up points with us this season (whatever the merits of their appointments may or may not be), I think we'd be crazy to get rid of a guy who has shown that he can do both. As was said when people were criticising Allardyce, 'Be careful what you wish for - the grass is not always greener'

[Stuart]

People keep saying that we need an 'experienced' manager, that in order to get promoted we need someone who has been promoted from the championship before. I'm not sure that is the case.

Looking back over the previous few seasons:

2010/11

QPR - Neil Warnock - experienced - 2 previous promotions from Championship

Norwich - Paul Lambert - limited experience - no previous promotion from Championship

Swansea - Brendan Rogers - limited experience - no previous promotion from Championship

2011/12

Reading - Brian McDermott - no real experience - no previous promotions

Southampton - Nigel Adkins - limited experience - no previous promotion from Championship

West Ham - Sam Allardyce - experienced - 1 previous promotion from Championship

2012/13

Cardiff - Malky Mackay - limited experience - no previous promotion from Championship

Hull (?) - Steve Bruce - experienced - 2 previous promotions from the Championship

Watford (?) - Gianfranco Zola - limited experience - no previous promotions

So recent history at least would seem to suggest that experience isn't quite the requisite for promotion that some would have us believe.

Personally, after seeing so many people fail to get us playing well and pick up points with us this season (whatever the merits of their appointments may or may not be), I think we'd be crazy to get rid of a guy who has shown that he can do both. As was said when people were criticising Allardyce, 'Be careful what you wish for - the grass is not always greener'

Good post.

However, you do a disservice to those you term "limited experience":

Norwich - Paul Lambert - Ex Livingston, Wycombe, Colchester

Swansea - Brendan Rogers - Ex Watford and Reading

Reading - Brian McDermott - Ex Woking

Southampton - Nigel Adkins - Ex Scunthorpe

Cardiff - Malky Mackay - Ex Watford

Brendan Rodgers - Ex Watford and Reading

Watford (?) - Gianfranco Zola - even he managed at West Ham

Other play-off contenders during the same timeframe:

Billy Davies - Ex Preston, Derby

Brian McDermott - Ex Woking

Dave Jones - Ex Stockport, Southampton, Wolves

Ian Holloway - Ex Plymouth, QPR

Time and time again, particularly on a budget, it's experienced managers who get the points in this league.

Contrast that with our "attempts":

Steve Kean - zero management experience

Henning Berg - Lyn Olso, Lillestrom

Michael Appleton - Portsmouth (downwards, turmoil), Blackpool (less than 2 months)

Gary Bowyer - reserve team only

[47er]

Bowyer clearly has the talent, in particular to organise a team and retains the ability to bring young players on. He's an asset and we shouldn't lose him.

The ideal solution for me would be to pair him with an experienced manager, let him learn from him and to assure him that, all things being equal, he would be the next manager. Win/win.