[Archived] Gary Bowyer

[broadsword]

No experience in the transfer market - no problem. We have no money to go into transfer market, I would guess.

[chris_h]

What manager with any credibility would work for Venkys? None. You can invite applications but all you would get would be replies from the desperate, useless, p1ss taking Dingles and the usual Championship Manager spoofs.

Hopefully we can sell Rhodes, Hanley, Dann and Olsson Mk1. With the proceeds we could pay off Murphy and Etuhu and keep the administrator from the door for another year. With what's left, possibly some half decent kids coming through and clever use of the loan market I'm confident Bowyer could keep us up just about.

We cant afford another manager anyway.

[thenodrog]

It really isn't.

Can you explain why time and again people target Singh rather than the lot of them?

It's inherent in mankind Stuart. Ever heard the term 'birds of a feather flock together'? People will deny it and many prob wont even realise it and it frequently isn't a conscious act, but it's there and and it's tangible on every side of the divide that you can think of.

So what have we effectively? I don't know their dark secrets but it's either a bumbling dolt with verbal diarrhoea on the surface OR a pair of malicious schemers with hidden agenda's and maybe a hidden Lord and Master. I do prefer the dolt from what I have seen to date but I'd not lose any sleep if they all beggared off.

[Tyrone Shoelaces]

Big mistake in my opinion. Further pointer that Venky's don't know which way to turn. He'll be at Singh's beck and call - and with him having no experience in the transfer market whatsoever, coupled with the fact that this season is the last one that comes with parachute payments, we could regret this big time. Massive gamble and all down to Venky's who obviously don't have the knowledge to bring in the best manager available. If you don't look around, invite applications and take advice, you won't find anyone.

The club's in such a mess it's hard to know what to think. This would definitely be another massive gamble. Bowyer's done well and can claim the major role in keeping us up this season. Having said that how many times have you seen a guy who has done really well on a temporary basis struggle once they've been given the job full time. For every one appointment like this that's a success about five are failures.

On the other hand what faith have any of us that the clowns are capable of appointing anyone better than Bowyer ? I've none at all. There are good people out there but would they work for Venkys ? Any one already in a decent job even at a lower level would certainly give us a swerve. That leaves us with the out of work desperadoes. In two short years the chicken chokers have turned us into pariahs.

[den]

The club's in such a mess it's hard to know what to think. This would definitely be another massive gamble. Bowyer's done well and can claim the major role in keeping us up this season. Having said that how many times have you seen a guy who has done really well on a temporary basis struggle once they've been given the job full time. For every one appointment like this that's a success about five are failures.

On the other hand what faith have any of us that the clowns are capable of appointing anyone better than Bowyer ? I've none at all. There are good people out there but would they work for Venkys ? Any one already in a decent job even at a lower level would certainly give us a swerve. That leaves us with the out of work desperadoes. In two short years the chicken chokers have turned us into pariahs.

Unless they look Tyrone, they won't find the best man. It also says to me that the new chief Exec won't have much say in the big decisions. Shouldn't he have been appointed first and then consulted on the new manager position? My fear is that Bowyer will work as coach with "others" finding him the players, while the new chief Exec will have little power. Just as we've been doing so catastrophically for the last two years.

Let's hope I'm wrong. This won't sell many season tickets either.

[RibbleValleyRover]

How many opportunities can you give people like Venky's to try and fix the mess they have created? Each time they get one they squander it and they will have again if they appoint Bowyer.

Mark my words this is going to be a bad appointment and Rovers will pay for it.

[den]

What manager with any credibility would work for Venkys? None. You can invite applications but all you would get would be replies from the desperate, useless, p1ss taking Dingles and the usual Championship Manager spoofs.

Hopefully we can sell Rhodes, Hanley, Dann and Olsson Mk1. With the proceeds we could pay off Murphy and Etuhu and keep the administrator from the door for another year. With what's left, possibly some half decent kids coming through and clever use of the loan market I'm confident Bowyer could keep us up just about.

We cant afford another manager anyway.

Let's hope the club has a bit more ambition than you Chris. Might as well call it a day now if everyone believes that. I'm sure rovers could still attract a decent, experienced championship manager - if they really had the foresight to go find him and back him.

[DanielMB]

Wasnt Bowyer in charge when we brought in Kane? He seemed like a decent transfer.

[T4E]

Bowyer has a league record of

P 12 W 5 D 4 L 3 Pts 19.

That equates to 73 points over a 46 game season. With a team that he didnt put together and at no other time showed they were capable of that sort of form. The 2 of the 3 losses were away to teams in the top 3 on far better form fighting for promotion.

He's earned a chance, and it's a wise move to sort it out this early. The only way we'll keep the few decent players we've got, and attract others, is to give the impression of a stable club. We can't build a decent squad if we spend the next 3 months looking for a manager.

Good, decisive move. If by October it's not working it won't be too late to change.

[ABBEY]

What manager with any credibility would work for Venkys? None. You can invite applications but all you would get would be replies from the desperate, useless, p1ss taking Dingles and the usual Championship Manager spoofs.

Hopefully we can sell Rhodes, Hanley, Dann and Olsson Mk1. With the proceeds we could pay off Murphy and Etuhu and keep the administrator from the door for another year. With what's left, possibly some half decent kids coming through and clever use of the loan market I'm confident Bowyer could keep us up just about.

We cant afford another manager anyway.

sell rhodes?

[den]

Bowyer has a league record of

P 12 W 5 D 4 L 3 Pts 19.

That equates to 73 points over a 46 game season. With a team that he didnt put together and at no other time showed they were capable of that sort of form. The 2 of the 3 losses were away to teams in the top 3 on far better form fighting for promotion.

He's earned a chance, and it's a wise move to sort it out this early. The only way we'll keep the few decent players we've got, and attract others, is to give the impression of a stable club. We can't build a decent squad if we spend the next 3 months looking for a manager.

Good, decisive move. If by October it's not working it won't be too late to change.

He's done we'll in some - not all of his games in charge. He deserves credit for that. Not sure you can argue that the results he got in his short spells in charge would have been as consistent over a full season though. One thing is for certain though, caretaker isn't comparable to being charged with rebuilding a squad and having the pressures of full time management. Caretakers usually can't lose because the team has been doing badly anyway. There's no pressure on them.

[ABBEY]

like i said before and will say it again ,well done for the job hes done but you cant help but know deep down hes another scabyy minge patsy.

[Gally]

Bowyer has a league record of

P 12 W 5 D 4 L 3 Pts 19.

That equates to 73 points over a 46 game season. With a team that he didnt put together and at no other time showed they were capable of that sort of form. The 2 of the 3 losses were away to teams in the top 3 on far better form fighting for promotion.

He's earned a chance, and it's a wise move to sort it out this early. The only way we'll keep the few decent players we've got, and attract others, is to give the impression of a stable club. We can't build a decent squad if we spend the next 3 months looking for a manager.

Good, decisive move. If by October it's not working it won't be too late to change.

Agreed, but a big reason to want a more established name, imo is to avoid needing to use that last sentence.

He's done very well, and nobody can begrudge him getting the chance full time, but he's still very much an unknown quantity and starts with a clean slate next season.

For me, the most important thing for the next appointment is that he actually gets the chance to impliment his ideas. If we get off to a bad start, I still think people would be looking to replace Bowyer far more quickly than a manager with decent track record.

[chris_h]

sell rhodes?

Yep. Wrong thread I know but he wont be here next season anyway. Best get as much as we can for him and hopefully use the money to keep us afloat and not incur a 10 point penalty for going into administration.

On listening to the last podcast we have to cut costs and bring money in where ever we can. That means selling assets and keeping staffing costs down with cheap appointments.

[Kamy100]

Gary Bowyer is a top man and has done a fantastic job this season after stepping in under very difficult circumstances.

He deserves a shot at the job if he wants, but for me personally we should go and hire an experienced manager. This summer there will be major upheaval, there are a large number of players who have asked their representatives to find them new clubs. So it is very likely that we will be losing a number of players as well as loanees such as Jones, Kazim and Kane returning to their clubs. Therefore a major squad restructuring exercise going to be needed, that for me is the job of a strong experienced manager. I fear that the Bowyer doesn't have the experience to deal with that kind of restructuring and that likes of Shebby will do what happened last summer with the Portuguese players.

But then again, do I trust Venky's to make the right decision regarding an experienced manager? No I don't so we maybe better of with Bowyer.

[CapeTownRover]

Big mistake in my opinion. Further pointer that Venky's don't know which way to turn. He'll be at Singh's beck and call - and with him having no experience in the transfer market whatsoever, coupled with the fact that this season is the last one that comes with parachute payments, we could regret this big time. Massive gamble and all down to Venky's who obviously don't have the knowledge to bring in the best manager available. If you don't look around, invite applications and take advice, you won't find anyone.

Whoa, take a step back Dennis.. Big mistake? i dont think it can get any worse than the 2 mistakes they made in appointing Berg and Appleton. Based on your last comment, look around(they did that before), invite applications(they did that before) and take advice(i would suggest they steer well clear of whoever is advising them)

in all honesty, GB has earned his colours to get the job on a permamnent basis. Its unfortunate, but Tony Parkes had a similar role years back in saving us, but he was never given the job on a regular basis. Whether parkes at the time was asked or not, im not sure, but the point here is, that Venkys have tried the route of being advised, it didnt work.

So, it might be a gamble, or once again we hope GB turns out to be a gem or at least proves himself like say Adkins or Lambert etc. We have a host of good young kids, and GB knows what they are capable of. He also just needs to add a few quality additions from the lower leagues, and get rid of the dross we have currently and it will be good to go. we wont have much money to spend in any case, so Bowyer will have to find a few young players with potential to step up.

Gary Bowyer is a top man and has done a fantastic job this season after stepping in under very difficult circumstances.

He deserves a shot at the job if he wants, but for me personally we should go and hire an experienced manager. This summer there will be major upheaval, there are a large number of players who have asked their representatives to find them new clubs. So it is very likely that we will be losing a number of players as well as loanees such as Jones, Kazim and Kane returning to their clubs. Therefore a major squad restructuring exercise going to be needed, that for me is the job of a strong experienced manager. I fear that the Bowyer doesn't have the experience to deal with that kind of restructuring and that likes of Shebby will do what happened last summer with the Portuguese players.

But then again, do I trust Venky's to make the right decision regarding an experienced manager? No I don't so we maybe better of with Bowyer.

Kamy, if he deserves a shot at the job, i know its your own personal view, but why would you still want an experienced manager? Imo, it will be back to new manager trying to figure out who is the best 11 for him. he will not know who to ship out, and will probably just try all 61 players on our books, before he realises what a problem he has.

GB knows the situation, he will know who needs to go and who needs to stay, so its imperitive that he gets given a chance.

[Tyrone Shoelaces]

I seem to recall Parkes getting the job full time before we had to go out and get Souness.

[CapeTownRover]

I seem to recall Parkes getting the job full time before we had to go out and get Souness.

did he, my apologies then. I just remember he had i think also 2 spells as caretaker

[den]

Whoa, take a step back Dennis.. Big mistake? i dont think it can get any worse than the 2 mistakes they made in appointing Berg and Appleton. Based on your last comment, look around(they did that before), invite applications(they did that before) and take advice(i would suggest they steer well clear of whoever is advising them)

in all honesty, GB has earned his colours to get the job on a permamnent basis. Its unfortunate, but Tony Parkes had a similar role years back in saving us, but he was never given the job on a regular basis. Whether parkes at the time was asked or not, im not sure, but the point here is, that Venkys have tried the route of being advised, it didnt work.

So, it might be a gamble, or once again we hope GB turns out to be a gem or at least proves himself like say Adkins or Lambert etc. We have a host of good young kids, and GB knows what they are capable of. He also just needs to add a few quality additions from the lower leagues, and get rid of the dross we have currently and it will be good to go. we wont have much money to spend in any case, so Bowyer will have to find a few young players with potential to step up..

It's not much recommendation to argue that he can't be worse than Appleton or Berg CTR. Arguing that Venky's shouldn't take advice, look around or invite applications is also a bit strange. I'm arguing that Bowyer won't be strong enough and we'll likely continue as before, with him being coach and Singh having a big say, while you seem to think that's not a bad thing?

[broadsword]

Think we'll end up being steady mid-tale with Bowyer.

Quite a telling comment from Redknapp about next season at QPR. He put almost all the emphasis on the players getting much much fitter, as well as getting their mindset right.

The players should be back a week or two early and totally beasted. Wonder if Bowyer has the balls to put them in their place and take charge. I think there's a subtle difference between being a caretaker and being the manager. As caretaker, you're there to buoy their spirits and encourage them and not letting their heads drop. Likely to be the assistant manager or one of the coaches, you're still a bit in with the lads. As manager, there's a more distant relationship based solely on respect. I think this is why we see so many caretakers fail when they get the hot-seat.

So all-in-all, I don't think it's going to work - if the owners care about promotion. If our few remaining decent players get sold, then absolutely it's a relegation battle all over again. And in fact, there's a significant chance it could all go pear-shaped even if we do keep Rhodes and co.

[RibbleValleyRover]

It's not much recommendation to argue that he can't be worse than Appleton or Berg CTR. Arguing that Venky's shouldn't take advice, look around or invite applications is also a bit strange. I'm arguing that Bowyer won't be strong enough and we'll likely continue as before, with him being coach and Singh having a big say, while you seem to think that's not a bad thing?

People seem to think Bowyer is his own man Den, problem is the only reason why Bowyer will have gotten this opportunity in the first place was because Shebby plucked him from obscurity during his first caretaker stint. How can you be your own man with a person who wants more control and influence in decsion making and you owe him a great deal? That sort of relationship may work, but I think it's far more likely that it won't.

I can see it now:

Bowyer- I don't think this is the player we need.

Shebby- I disagree, this Portuguese player is the next Ronaldo according to his agent. Also remember who gave you this opportunity.

Bowyer- Ok then.

[CapeTownRover]

It's not much recommendation to argue that he can't be worse than Appleton or Berg CTR. Arguing that Venky's shouldn't take advice, look around or invite applications is also a bit strange. I'm arguing that Bowyer won't be strong enough and we'll likely continue as before, with him being coach and Singh having a big say, while you seem to think that's not a bad thing?

far from saying it wont be a bad thing, but have you considered that maybe Singh will have a say irrespective of who the manager is? I would point out that if Singh is the owners advisor, and he is telling them who should be new manager, would it not be a problem as well Den? You cant have it both ways, as we still dont know who is actually advising them.

People seem to think Bowyer is his own man Den, problem is the only reason why Bowyer will have gotten this opportunity in the first place was because Shebby plucked him from obscurity during his first caretaker stint. How can you be your own man with a person who wants more control and influence in decsion making and you owe him a great deal? That sort of relationship may work, but I think it's far more likely that it won't.

so what is your point RVR? Somebody had to come in at the time, and he did a good job on both occasions. Credit where its due to Bowyer, he picked something up that was broken, and for the time being at least kept it working for a little longer.

[den]

far from saying it wont be a bad thing, but have you considered that maybe Singh will have a say irrespective of who the manager is? I would point out that if Singh is the owners advisor, and he is telling them who should be new manager, would it not be a problem as well Den?.

It is a problem, that's why I'm speaking against the whole situation. Because you (not you personally) feel that's what will happen, it doesn't follow that you should support it. If we don't like it we should say so, not meekly follow.

[CapeTownRover]

maybe im just hanging onto a tiny bit of hope den, that GB might be the one to turn things around. Either that, or im just a fool for it.

[T4E]

He's done we'll in some - not all of his games in charge. He deserves credit for that. Not sure you can argue that the results he got in his short spells in charge would have been as consistent over a full season though. One thing is for certain though, caretaker isn't comparable to being charged with rebuilding a squad and having the pressures of full time management. Caretakers usually can't lose because the team has been doing badly anyway. There's no pressure on them.

Agree there's no guarantee he would achieve that over a full season, but there isn't with anyone. That can also be offset by the fact that it wasn't his team.

We have struggled to find a manager since Sam left that the players would perform for. We now have one, why change? If there was an outstanding candidate of the Bruce/ McCarthy type then maybe, but I can't think if one so tying this down early seems sensible.