[Archived] Gary Bowyer

[RibbleValleyRover]

It's not.

Correct me if i am wrong but as far as i'm aware the amount of money drops considerably after season two.

Yep:

"Blackburn Rovers, Bolton Wanderers and Wolverhampton Wanderers are in the first year of their parachute payments, which stood at a total of £48 million over four seasons made up of £16 million in the first two years and £8 million in the final two."

Source: http://espnfc.com/news/story/_/id/1416440/premier-league-defends-parachute-payments?cc=5739

[Stuart]

Correct me if i am wrong but as far as i'm aware the amount of money drops considerably after season two.

Yep:

£48 million over four seasons made up of £16 million in the first two years and £8 million in the final two.

EDIT: where've you got that from RVR? I thought the Football League were against a large second season payment due to the Wolves scenario giving them an 'unfair advantage'?

[chaddyrovers]

To be honest I feel if things were ever going to drop for Bowyer it would have been the second time he became caretaker.

I feel given the fact the players were sad Appleton was sacked Bowyer did a great job turning it around so I think he could be a better manager than we all expect.

Give him a chance I say. At least then we can start preparing for next season correctly. It's not like there's a huge queue for the job.

very true

Gary Bowyer is a top man and has done a fantastic job this season after stepping in under very difficult circumstances.

He deserves a shot at the job if he wants, but for me personally we should go and hire an experienced manager. This summer there will be major upheaval, there are a large number of players who have asked their representatives to find them new clubs. So it is very likely that we will be losing a number of players as well as loanees such as Jones, Kazim and Kane returning to their clubs. Therefore a major squad restructuring exercise going to be needed, that for me is the job of a strong experienced manager. I fear that the Bowyer doesn't have the experience to deal with that kind of restructuring and that likes of Shebby will do what happened last summer with the Portuguese players.

But then again, do I trust Venky's to make the right decision regarding an experienced manager? No I don't so we maybe better of with Bowyer.

what experience manager would come to rovers tbh??? and what experience manager could we attract??? none more likely.

I think Bowyer does deserve the job permanent after keeping us up. plus he must have full control over players sales and players bought without any interfere from Shebby.

but if Bowyer is appointment he must be allow to bring in his own coaching staff. We need to start planning for pre season and organising pre season matches and training and bring in players we wants and selling those Bowyer doesn't want.

plus I expect to see a younger squad aswell. plus hope we sign Jones and Sanderomski permanent and Kane on loan for season.

But MORE IMPORTANT is sorting out the boardroom/Shebby boardroom by bring in a new CEO to run the club for the owners.

[John]

What are the realistic genuine alternatives to Bowyer though, can't think of many decent experienced managers who would come here.

[RibbleValleyRover]

very true

what experience manager would come to rovers tbh??? and what experience manager could we attract??? none more likely.

I think Bowyer does deserve the job permanent after keeping us up. plus he must have full control over players sales and players bought without any interfere from Shebby.

but if Bowyer is appointment he must be allow to bring in his own coaching staff. We need to start planning for pre season and organising pre season matches and training and bring in players we wants and selling those Bowyer doesn't want.

plus I expect to see a younger squad aswell. plus hope we sign Jones and Sanderomski permanent and Kane on loan for season.

But MORE IMPORTANT is sorting out the boardroom/Shebby boardroom by bring in a new CEO to run the club for the owners.

Some pretty experienced managers applied for the job when Kean resigned and when Berg was sacked. The club decided not to appoint one of them but they did apply for the job.

If we could get a new Chief Exec in place and give that person the autonomy to carry out a proper and thorough managerial search to see who applies then I bet we would see some pretty good candidates applying for the post despite the problems at the club. We don't need to rush an appointment right now, we have some time to carry out a proper managerial search if the club finally decided to do one of the first time in 3 years.

[roverandout]

but why do venkys want to take their time? they are dying to appoint bowyer as he is a cheap yes-man, they were just waiting for a few decent results, keeping their fingers crossed that they would happen so they could appoint him with no fuss. Has nothing to do with how good his results have been to singh/venkys, its everything to do with getting the cheapest possible crap in they can

[Lathund]

Correct me if i am wrong but as far as i'm aware the amount of money drops considerably after season two.

Yep:

"Blackburn Rovers, Bolton Wanderers and Wolverhampton Wanderers are in the first year of their parachute payments, which stood at a total of £48 million over four seasons made up of £16 million in the first two years and £8 million in the final two."

Source: http://espnfc.com/news/story/_/id/1416440/premier-league-defends-parachute-payments?cc=5739

I'm well aware of that. The poster I was replying to however was saying that the payments ended after this upcoming season, which they clearly do not.

[chaddyrovers]

Some pretty experienced managers applied for the job when Kean resigned and when Berg was sacked. The club decided not to appoint one of them but they did apply for the job.

If we could get a new Chief Exec in place and give that person the autonomy to carry out a proper and thorough managerial search to see who applies then I bet we would see some pretty good candidates applying for the post despite the problems at the club. We don't need to rush an appointment right now, we have some time to carry out a proper managerial search if the club finally decided to do one of the first time in 3 years.

the players will be back Mid June for pre season training so 6 weeks till then. how long can we wait to appoint a CEO and manager???

we need a manager to be appoint in the 2 weeks. cant afford to wait cos we need a plan in place ASAP

[RibbleValleyRover]

the players will be back Mid June for pre season training so 6 weeks till then. how long can we wait to appoint a CEO and manager???

we need a manager to be appoint in the 2 weeks. cant afford to wait cos we need a plan in place ASAP

It can be done pretty quickly if the will and desire is there to do it. Getting in an experienced Chief Exec if they find the right person shouldn't take long and if the person is good at the job and has experience of bringing in managers they should be able to speed up that process.

There have been plenty of clubs in the past that have just finished a season and managed to get someone in place before pre-season training has started or only just started. If they are serious about doing it, it can be done.

[den]

Some pretty experienced managers applied for the job when Kean resigned and when Berg was sacked. The club decided not to appoint one of them but they did apply for the job.

If we could get a new Chief Exec in place and give that person the autonomy to carry out a proper and thorough managerial search to see who applies then I bet we would see some pretty good candidates applying for the post despite the problems at the club. We don't need to rush an appointment right now, we have some time to carry out a proper managerial search if the club finally decided to do one of the first time in 3 years.

Precisely RVR.

What a load of whimps - "no one else would take it"!

[DE.]

It's more a case of Venky's won't hire somebody experienced than somebody experienced not taking the job.

[RevidgeBlue]

I'm not sure we can afford tov wait too long to appoint a new manager with interest in Rhodes needing to be fended off, Rochina needing to be recalled and the future of around 59 other players to be sorted out.

[Rover_Shaun]

Prepare to be underwhelmed and perplexed all summer

[Amo]

People are delusional to even contemplate Venky's hiring a competent board-room and a proven manager to go with it. They've had some of the most respected names in the business offering them advice over the years and ignored each and every one of them. They'd rather put their faith in people like JA, Shagnew, & Shebby Singh. Y'know, good honest pros with no personal interest in the club other than making it a footballing elite once again. Need I remind you, these are the same owners who backed Steve Kean all the way to relegation and clearly had no Plan B when he did everyone a favour and walked. It's been one bad managerial appoint after another, and yet people are still speculating on the calibre of manager we can attract. It wouldn't matter if Rafa Benitez did suddenly reveal his lifelong ambition to manage a Lancastrian club in the Championship, they'd still prefer someone bald and inexperienced. It looks like our safest bet is a youth team coach who's done well in a caretaker capacity, rather than entrusting the club to actually recruit someone worth their salt. That pretty much sums it up, for me.

I just don't see the point of this exercise, which is probably why I'll be going on hiatus during silly season.

[rovers11]

19 points from 12 games speaks for itself. Did a great job last season. Got an unmotivated, unfit and unbalanced squad into a form that would have seen us in the play offs over the course of the season.

We were dead and buried after the sheff w game, massively impressed how bowyer managed to turn it around from then on. The players like him, the fans like him , and he'd be a cheap option for the owners. Plus we'd get to see more of his daughter!

My major concern is he's good at getting the best out of players but what's he like in the transfer market. He picked up a gem in Kane but can he rebuild a whole squad into promotion contenders?

[RevidgeBlue]

19 points from 12 games speaks for itself. Did a great job last season. Got an unmotivated, unfit and unbalanced squad into a form that would have seen us in the play offs over the course of the season.

We were dead and buried after the sheff w game, massively impressed how bowyer managed to turn it around from then on. The players like him, the fans like him , and he'd be a cheap option for the owners. Plus we'd get to see more of his daughter!

My major concern is he's good at getting the best out of players but what's he like in the transfer market. He picked up a gem in Kane but can he rebuild a whole squad into promotion contenders?

That was Berg wasn't it?

[rovers11]

That was Berg wasn't it?

No, it was Bowyer. Berg bought in King.

[Stuart]

That was Berg wasn't it?

Arrived two weeks after Berg left.

[thenodrog]

As the old song goes we are 'right back where we started from'.

All this speculation is just a waste of time. In a nutshell if a manager (or player) does badly we cant get shut and if they do well they'll get nicked off us by a bigger club. Nowt we can do about it either way, this is the sad reallity of our situation. There used to be about 10 bigger/better clubs than us eyeing our better staff members unfortunately now there are between 20 and 30.

Worst bit is that it was all so unecessary. The Venky's have committed their own version of football suicide.

[rovers11]

As the old song goes we are 'right back where we started from'.

All this speculation is just a waste of time. In a nutshell if a manager (or player) does badly we cant get shut and if they do well they'll get nicked off us by a bigger club. This is the reallity of our situation. There used to be about 10 better clubs now there are between 20 and 30.

It's the same for most clubs. Look at Arsenal and they are a far bigger club than us. The only difference is they lose their players to barcelona whereas we're now in a position where we could lose our best players to mid to lower prem clubs.

Anyway, i think bowyer becoming next permanent manager is not just speculation it's pretty much a certainty.

[Salgado Is A Hero]

Plus it's not the worst thing in the world if people perform well enough at our club to attract higher-ranked clubs' attention.

[John]

Plus it's not the worst thing in the world if people perform well enough at our club to attract higher-ranked clubs' attention.

As Rab Martinez says, it shows they are doing something right!

[rovers11]

Plus it's not the worst thing in the world if people perform well enough at our club to attract higher-ranked clubs' attention.

Actually, it's vital for most clubs financially that they can produce talent and sell them on. Rovers didn't buy rhodes for him to spend the rest of his career here, they bought him in the hope of 2 or 3 good years service and then sell on for a profit.

[patrickvalery]

This Bowyer debate can only really be viewed within the context of everything else happening at Rovers. Despite Appleton not achieving good enough results, i was happy with the cut of his jib. He was honest and if things had gone his way, i am certain Rovers would have become (on the field at least) an honest hard working side. The key word for me was honest. After nigh on 2 years worth of whispers of corruption i liked what he stood for. Even if he wasn't successful i didn't believe he had anything other than good intentions for the club.

Bowyer having been at the club for what, 8 years, suggests he may also have the same honest approach. Rovers are in a whole world of trouble financially and we as fans need to look at things differently than we did even 12 short months ago. The big opportunity to bounce straight back up to the PL gravy train was last season. From here on in the goal posts have moved immeasurably. Even if Venkys are prepared to bankroll another tilt at promotion and we add perceived quality to the squad this close season, the chances are slim that it will work. What i want to see from Rovers from here on in is a clearing of the decks and a sustained period of time where we adopt a strategy and ethos which might be successful over time. I have already written off promotion in the short term. We need to work out a style of play we want and work towards perfecting it. An identity. Be it a big bunch of bully boys who steam roller everything in front of them, a youthful side who play out from the back or something inbetween.

To think back to the Hughes or Big Sam days and suggest in 5 years time we'd be apponting a youth team coach as manager and half the fan base would be happy with that just sums up how far we have fallen. But its the reality we're faced with. Personally i don't hold any beliefs that Rovers should be in the league above anymore. We are where we are and we need to get used to it. Bowyer wouldn't have made my top 100 list of potential managers even last season. But now i'm not sure we can attract much else. The guy worked wonders with this rag tag bunch twice this season. I believe he deserves a crack at it full time. If it means we might see Rovers put out an honest hardworking side and actually build towards a future of some kind then i'll take that. Because i honestly fear that if we went for an experienced and expensive option and it failed then it might be the final nail in our coffin. Like when you gamble in a casino. The moment you start chasing the winnings to claw it all back is the moment you're in big trouble. This point in time Rovers need to take stock, stop looking for a quick fix and try to cobble together a longer term plan.

[Mercer]

Bowyer might be a decent guy but I don't think he fits the bill permanently.

Any half decent manager could have got sufficient points out of even that ramshackle lot especially when you have Rhodes in the team - even Kean proved that.

I think we are destined for years of obscurity played out before crowds of 6 or 7 thousand.

Unfortunately, I think the game is well and truly up.