[Archived] Gary Bowyer

[thenodrog]

Plus it's not the worst thing in the world if people perform well enough at our club to attract higher-ranked clubs' attention.

No but it turns getting back to the top div into a game of snakes and ladders with three times as many snakes as ladders.

[A cup of beans]

This Bowyer debate can only really be viewed within the context of everything else happening at Rovers. Despite Appleton not achieving good enough results, i was happy with the cut of his jib. He was honest and if things had gone his way, i am certain Rovers would have become (on the field at least) an honest hard working side. The key word for me was honest. After nigh on 2 years worth of whispers of corruption i liked what he stood for. Even if he wasn't successful i didn't believe he had anything other than good intentions for the club.

Bowyer having been at the club for what, 8 years, suggests he may also have the same honest approach. Rovers are in a whole world of trouble financially and we as fans need to look at things differently than we did even 12 short months ago. The big opportunity to bounce straight back up to the PL gravy train was last season. From here on in the goal posts have moved immeasurably. Even if Venkys are prepared to bankroll another tilt at promotion and we add perceived quality to the squad this close season, the chances are slim that it will work. What i want to see from Rovers from here on in is a clearing of the decks and a sustained period of time where we adopt a strategy and ethos which might be successful over time. I have already written off promotion in the short term. We need to work out a style of play we want and work towards perfecting it. An identity. Be it a big bunch of bully boys who steam roller everything in front of them, a youthful side who play out from the back or something inbetween.

To think back to the Hughes or Big Sam days and suggest in 5 years time we'd be apponting a youth team coach as manager and half the fan base would be happy with that just sums up how far we have fallen. But its the reality we're faced with. Personally i don't hold any beliefs that Rovers should be in the league above anymore. We are where we are and we need to get used to it. Bowyer wouldn't have made my top 100 list of potential managers even last season. But now i'm not sure we can attract much else. The guy worked wonders with this rag tag bunch twice this season. I believe he deserves a crack at it full time. If it means we might see Rovers put out an honest hardworking side and actually build towards a future of some kind then i'll take that. Because i honestly fear that if we went for an experienced and expensive option and it failed then it might be the final nail in our coffin. Like when you gamble in a casino. The moment you start chasing the winnings to claw it all back is the moment you're in big trouble. This point in time Rovers need to take stock, stop looking for a quick fix and try to cobble together a longer term plan.

Best post in a long time. Youve nailed it.

[Sparky Marky]

This Bowyer debate can only really be viewed within the context of everything else happening at Rovers. Despite Appleton not achieving good enough results, i was happy with the cut of his jib. He was honest and if things had gone his way, i am certain Rovers would have become (on the field at least) an honest hard working side. The key word for me was honest. After nigh on 2 years worth of whispers of corruption i liked what he stood for. Even if he wasn't successful i didn't believe he had anything other than good intentions for the club.

Bowyer having been at the club for what, 8 years, suggests he may also have the same honest approach. Rovers are in a whole world of trouble financially and we as fans need to look at things differently than we did even 12 short months ago. The big opportunity to bounce straight back up to the PL gravy train was last season. From here on in the goal posts have moved immeasurably. Even if Venkys are prepared to bankroll another tilt at promotion and we add perceived quality to the squad this close season, the chances are slim that it will work. What i want to see from Rovers from here on in is a clearing of the decks and a sustained period of time where we adopt a strategy and ethos which might be successful over time. I have already written off promotion in the short term. We need to work out a style of play we want and work towards perfecting it. An identity. Be it a big bunch of bully boys who steam roller everything in front of them, a youthful side who play out from the back or something inbetween.

To think back to the Hughes or Big Sam days and suggest in 5 years time we'd be apponting a youth team coach as manager and half the fan base would be happy with that just sums up how far we have fallen. But its the reality we're faced with. Personally i don't hold any beliefs that Rovers should be in the league above anymore. We are where we are and we need to get used to it. Bowyer wouldn't have made my top 100 list of potential managers even last season. But now i'm not sure we can attract much else. The guy worked wonders with this rag tag bunch twice this season. I believe he deserves a crack at it full time. If it means we might see Rovers put out an honest hardworking side and actually build towards a future of some kind then i'll take that. Because i honestly fear that if we went for an experienced and expensive option and it failed then it might be the final nail in our coffin. Like when you gamble in a casino. The moment you start chasing the winnings to claw it all back is the moment you're in big trouble. This point in time Rovers need to take stock, stop looking for a quick fix and try to cobble together a longer term plan.

Does he sod deserve a crack at it....people like Mclaren, ex-England manager, deserve a crack at it....but our @#/? owners can't put a deal together anymore....they won't be letting anyone near the till anymore after the Berg debacle.

[Rover_Shaun]

Even John Coleman deserves it ahead of Gary 'Madame' Bowyer

[chaddyrovers]

Even John Coleman deserves it ahead of Gary 'Madame' Bowyer

now you are talking Sh!t now!!!

[Guest Norbert]

Does he sod deserve a crack at it....people like Mclaren, ex-England manager, deserve a crack at it....but our @#/? owners can't put a deal together anymore....they won't be letting anyone near the till anymore after the Berg debacle.

Nooooo, not Shhheteve McClaren. Only about 4 people here will be able to spell his name correctly for a start. McClaren don't deserve a crack at this job, as he has screwed up almost every job he has done.

[Rover_Shaun]

now you are talking Sh!t now!!!

Over a decade as a lower league manager rather than being someone who had to be virtually dragged into a top job

[chaddyrovers]

Over a decade as a lower league manager rather than being someone who had to be virtually dragged into a top job

would you be happy with Parkinson from Bradford or Johnson from Yeovil as manager then?

[Guest Norbert]

Is he also a radio presenter from Australia?

[47er]

I'm not sure we can afford tov wait too long to appoint a new manager with interest in Rhodes needing to be fended off, Rochina needing to be recalled and the future of around 59 other players to be sorted out.

You keep throwing in Rochina's name as if he were the key to our future. He has talent certainly but he's not critically important.

Personally I don't care if he comes back or not. There are much bigger things to sort out surely?

[Sparky Marky]

Nooooo, not Shhheteve McClaren. Only about 4 people here will be able to spell his name correctly for a start. McClaren don't deserve a crack at this job, as he has screwed up almost every job he has done.

Yeah, right mate. He'd get us up, no problem...Bowyer will not....this season will repeat itself next season.

[patrickvalery]

Yeah, right mate. He'd get us up, no problem...Bowyer will not....this season will repeat itself next season.

That is a lot to be certain of. And lets just say for arguments sake that he doesn't. What then? Because like any other manager of his standing (and he does have some standing in the game whether poeple like it or not) he would only come to Rovers if he was allowed to spend a few quid. So we'd be stuck with more players on top whack and still no better off. In fact, having already spunked the last of the parachute payments, we'd be in an even greater mess.

IMO, the time to think about promotion was the season just gone. Now we need to think longer term and try to build a side capable of mounting a challenge. Very very few clubs chuck money at this division and get it right first time. West Ham managed it but they employed a very capable manager. We might have been able to do the same but that boat has sailed. The sooner Rovers fans stop thinking promotion is well within our means in the short term the easier life will become. This mess will likely take years to straighten out. At least Bowyer knows the fan base, the culture, the town and the players. The chances of him being a success are miniscule i agree. But how many more short term gambles can the club afford to take?

[A cup of beans]

At least Bowyer knows the fan base, the culture, the town and the players. The chances of him being a success are miniscule i agree. But how many more short term gambles can the club afford to take?

The dice will keep on rolling, and a lot will depend on what Bowyer has to work with. He's a man of good standing and character- even though I was seething with his comments after he returned from India.

Do I want him to get the job? I'm torn. Half of me does, but then I look at the mess -and the rebuild that is needed- and I doubt Bowyer is the man to do that.

[davefarnworth]

Remember when we were good and didn't have to argue about the "little" thing like managers? Look above and vomit my poor divisive friiends.

[Steve Moss]

This Bowyer debate can only really be viewed within the context of everything else happening at Rovers. Despite Appleton not achieving good enough results, i was happy with the cut of his jib. He was honest and if things had gone his way, i am certain Rovers would have become (on the field at least) an honest hard working side. The key word for me was honest. After nigh on 2 years worth of whispers of corruption i liked what he stood for. Even if he wasn't successful i didn't believe he had anything other than good intentions for the club.

Bowyer having been at the club for what, 8 years, suggests he may also have the same honest approach. Rovers are in a whole world of trouble financially and we as fans need to look at things differently than we did even 12 short months ago. The big opportunity to bounce straight back up to the PL gravy train was last season. From here on in the goal posts have moved immeasurably. Even if Venkys are prepared to bankroll another tilt at promotion and we add perceived quality to the squad this close season, the chances are slim that it will work. What i want to see from Rovers from here on in is a clearing of the decks and a sustained period of time where we adopt a strategy and ethos which might be successful over time. I have already written off promotion in the short term. We need to work out a style of play we want and work towards perfecting it. An identity. Be it a big bunch of bully boys who steam roller everything in front of them, a youthful side who play out from the back or something inbetween.

To think back to the Hughes or Big Sam days and suggest in 5 years time we'd be apponting a youth team coach as manager and half the fan base would be happy with that just sums up how far we have fallen. But its the reality we're faced with. Personally i don't hold any beliefs that Rovers should be in the league above anymore. We are where we are and we need to get used to it. Bowyer wouldn't have made my top 100 list of potential managers even last season. But now i'm not sure we can attract much else. The guy worked wonders with this rag tag bunch twice this season. I believe he deserves a crack at it full time. If it means we might see Rovers put out an honest hardworking side and actually build towards a future of some kind then i'll take that. Because i honestly fear that if we went for an experienced and expensive option and it failed then it might be the final nail in our coffin. Like when you gamble in a casino. The moment you start chasing the winnings to claw it all back is the moment you're in big trouble. This point in time Rovers need to take stock, stop looking for a quick fix and try to cobble together a longer term plan.

Good post.

I hope Venkys reads it.

[Philly13]

Experience means nothing. Paul Ince has experience. Alex Mcleish has experience. Alan Ball has experience. They're all @#/?.

Conversely, Mcdermott had no experience before Reading, Lambert didn't have much before Norwich, Steve Clarke had none before this year, Eddie Howe had none before taking over and saving Bournemouth from the drop despite a seventeen point deficit, Hughes never had a club job before we hired him, etc.

The point I'm making is I'd rather Bowyer than hire an experienced manager with a poor record. If you can get a proven manager, then great, but who wants to come here? I'd rather have an unknown than a known failure

but why do venkys want to take their time? they are dying to appoint bowyer as he is a cheap yes-man, they were just waiting for a few decent results, keeping their fingers crossed that they would happen so they could appoint him with no fuss. Has nothing to do with how good his results have been to singh/venkys, its everything to do with getting the cheapest possible crap in they can

How do we know he's a yes man?

[ABBEY]

Kean .. No experience

Berg ...little experience as manager

Appleton ..little experience

NO CHUFFING LESSONS LEARNT

[Shabani]

I think the players clearly like and get on with Bowyer, and the success he's had with our younger players as reserve team coach suggests he has good man management skills

He achieved good results for us at difficult times in the season, both times steadying the ship after dreadful runs which surely suggests he has some good attributes as a manager

He's earned his chance and I hope he kicks on from here, if it wasnt for Gary we'd be in League One

[Stuart]

I think the players clearly like and get on with Bowyer, and the success he's had with our younger players as reserve team coach suggests he has good man management skills

Let's see how much they like him when the transfer window is open...

[Rover_Shaun]

would you be happy with Parkinson from Bradford or Johnson from Yeovil as manager then?

That is a different thing altogether. Was not happy with Kean, Berg and Appleton and would not be happy with Bowyer either but no idea of who is available that would suffice as I am just not that interested in football in general enough anymore. Question was about Bowyer deserving the job, which is horseshit. I remember plenty dissed Steve Bruce as a candidate in the past. I wonder what became of him? Hmmmm

[Rover_Shaun]

How do we know he's a yes man?

One word says it all

"MADAME"

Another ring sniffer.

[chaddyrovers]

One word says it all

"MADAME"

Another ring sniffer.

i dont think Bowyer would be yes man.

you are judgong him without even knowing him.

i would be happy with Bowyer as manager if it happens.

there isnt an experience manager out there who i would want apart from McClaren but most fans wouldnt.

dont want Taylor, Sven or Coyle.

and RDM or Hughes wont come to Rovers.

[gumboots]

At least Bowyer knows the fan base, the culture, the town and the players. The chances of him being a success are miniscule i agree. But how many more short term gambles can the club afford to take?

The dice will keep on rolling, and a lot will depend on what Bowyer has to work with. He's a man of good standing and character- even though I was seething with his comments after he returned from India.

Do I want him to get the job? I'm torn. Half of me does, but then I look at the mess -and the rebuild that is needed- and I doubt Bowyer is the man to do that.

Question is, I suppose, who, with venkys as owners, would be able to do it? However experienced you are as a manager, how do you do your job with football idiots in charge?

[Rover_Shaun]

i dont think Bowyer would be yes man.

you are judgong him without even knowing him.

i would be happy with Bowyer as manager if it happens.

there isnt an experience manager out there who i would want apart from McClaren but most fans wouldnt.

dont want Taylor, Sven or Coyle.

and RDM or Hughes wont come to Rovers.

"Madame" is all I need to judge him. Plummeted that day he did

Can we all get past Sven. Coyle and bloody Peter Taylor? Stop reading Nicko's @#/?

Additionally I noticed a Bowyer comment that doesn't seem to apply when it comes to toadying to the owners whims

“Players are going away on international duty but conversations will take place with them as and when required. You’ve got the phone, email, Twitter or whatever, so they’re easily contactable.

Why can't the owners use such things??

[JBiz]

One word says it all

"MADAME"

Another ring sniffer.

Pathetic

Keep slagging the guy who pretty muched saved us from league 1 (ask the experienced dean Saunders how easy that is)

The media got it wrong to damn us fans for our treatment of Kean, but they would be justified if we had a large percentage speaking as you do. Do you use logic when making a decision? Owners proven failures at hiring management... So why lobby them to carry on when we have a guy who has won half his games?

GB is most likely not the next Mourinho.. But he cares about the club and will give his all. Why find someone else to pay millions for 60 days work.

Also the players need stability. Fannying around finding a "Sven" 6 weeks into the summer is asking for trouble.