[Archived] Gary Bowyer

[Gav]

Are you taking the mick? Regardless of what I am being paid I would not call my boss anything other than his name. You must work in a strange strange place

Kean was at the club and asked to take temporary charge.............so was Bowyer. In that they are they are the same

And yes. A credible manager would not call the owner madame. Nor would he fly all over the world on a whim during a season

But the crux is he will get the job as he's cheap and easy and by november when he's been potted all the Bowyerettes will be on here claiming they didn't want him in the first place as we should have gone for experience

What a strange reply, must be the hot weather....

[broadsword]

Referring to her as "Madame" came across as toadying of the highest order. Not that it should be a criterion for selecting him as manager, I have misgivings that are more relevant than that.

In any case, I have no say in it, it's down to Venky's, and once more they are sat on their hands. If they're going to appoint him, they should do it asap. Planning for the new season needs to start now, and if we're going to appoint another rookie we should at least give him as much chance to prepare as possible.

But yet again they fiddle while Rome burns. Will we have a manager appointed by the start of July? I'd say the chances were 50/50.

[tomphil]

I don't see the big deal about him calling her Madame because that's what they have all been told to call her, probably as oppossed to boss, which is what she is after all. It'll have a totally different meaning over there than it does here anyway. Im sure in private they all call her something a bit more industrial

[Steve Kean's Hypnotoad]

Are you taking the mick? Regardless of what I am being paid I would not call my boss anything other than his name. You must work in a strange strange place

Kean was at the club and asked to take temporary charge.............so was Bowyer. In that they are they are the same

And yes. A credible manager would not call the owner madame. Nor would he fly all over the world on a whim during a season

But the crux is he will get the job as he's cheap and easy and by november when he's been potted all the Bowyerettes will be on here claiming they didn't want him in the first place as we should have gone for experience

Of course you would! Its like the old joke of "would you do *insert something gross" for *insert a large amount of money*?". The people who say no are usually lying to appear decent and proper. The people who say yes are actually being honest. You're falling into the first category, lying, you'd call someone you met once every few months madame if it meant you kept a job worth hundreds of thousands of pounds a year, nobody is that obsessed with their own pride not to. The only people that wouldn't are those that already earn more than that.

"Kean was already at the club and asked to take temporary charge" - Please tell me you're not that naieve! Around that time Venkys did everything Anderson told them, so its Anderson who removed Allardyce, now what would his motivation be for doing that if it wasn't to get one of his clients in the job? Anderson and Kean planned it from the start, it meant a big payday for both of them and they got to play at running a football club.

I think you've got the wrong impression of how manager's behave around their owners if you think even the credible ones wouldn't treat them with deference and respect. Simon Grayson was on the radio with the Preston chairman the other day, who talked to Grayson like someone would talk to their son, this is the Simon Grayson thats managed Leeds, a far bigger club than Preston, and he seemed perfectly fine with it. Do you think Allardyce throws his weight around with the other crazy trio in football, Brady, Gold and Sullivan at West Ham? Do you think any of Chelsea's numerous world class managers other than Mourinho have ever stood up to Abramovich? The boss is the boss no matter what business you're in, what you seem to be expecting of Bowyer is ludicrous.

[broadsword]

Let's get this straight, she wasn't even in the room when he called her "Madame".

[OJRovers]

Yes - because Souness clearly understands the way of the world

If that is what your boss is called by everyone - that is the term you use in public (in private I have called ex bosses all sorts, but for some bizarre reason never to their faces!)

To vilify Bowyer for this is beyond my comprehension - she pays his wages - he supports his family - what is he supposed to do? Throw his career away!

I have a mate who works for the rovers and has met the owners - he says you couldn't wish to meet nicer people (the fact that they are clearly clueless as owners is a different matter)

So he's another 'yes man' then who will do anything the owners ask like Kean? Would he say 'no' to Shebby if he started meddling with the team?

A credible manager would say no to these things.

[AJW]

Anybody remember Ron Atkinson referring to whoever his chairman was at the time , as "Mr Chairman" ..... i don't think he was anybody's yes man

[DavidMailsTightPerm]

So he's another 'yes man' then who will do anything the owners ask like Kean? Would he say 'no' to Shebby if he started meddling with the team?

A credible manager would say no to these things.

There is a big difference between showing respect to your boss and being a "yes" man. In any job you have to decide what is worth fighting over - just because he called Mrs Desai - Madam - which is what probably all the senior people at the club call her - and what she would have been called by everyone when he went over to Pune hardly makes him a "Yes" man.

I have reservations about Bowyer getting the job - but more about his lack of experience than him calling the clubs owner Madam. At the end of the day no appointment comes with a guarantee - he has a good record as caretaker and would seem to be the players choice - but ultimately it would seem he does have Rovers interests at heart which in the current turmoil counts for a lot.

[ABBEY]

He didn't say mistress though did he. If your boss asked you to call him colonel dikfingers, you'd do it...

I'd tell him to F off . I've done it on many occasions to varying bosses and I'm still there after 26 years.

[ABBEY]

Most people on this Messageboard have never met Bowyer so how can judge what type of person he is or whether he would be a yes man.

I dont care what he calls her.

ive never met GB but know people who have tho.

wouldnt want to meet Shebby btw, heard his voice enough times on TV and Radio to last me a lifetime.

Do us a favour then don't ever comment on shabby from now on if you ain't met him. So you have a pop at posters for commenting on bowyer who have not met him but you can because your "mate" has. How strange ,

[sw0808]

So he's another 'yes man' then who will do anything the owners ask like Kean? Would he say 'no' to Shebby if he started meddling with the team?

A credible manager would say no to these things.

That (in my mind) is a completely different matter - how do we know that his stipulations for taking on the caretaker roll were that he had complete control with no outside meddling?

He may well be taking this on - on his terms

To say he has no moral fibre just because he showed his employer public respect is wrong - in my opinion!

[chaddyrovers]

Do us a favour then don't ever comment on shabby from now on if you ain't met him. So you have a pop at posters for commenting on bowyer who have not met him but you can because your "mate" has. How strange ,

why dont do us all favour and hide my posts like im doing with yours.

Kamy and GM have met him and said he is a very good person and wants the best for Rovers. their comments are good enough for me to give Bowyer a chance.

[Rover_Shaun]

why dont do us all favour and hide my posts like im doing with yours.

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Yet you replied?

[chaddyrovers]

Yet you replied?

I said i am hide his posts from now on.

just like yours. ;-) :-) ;-)

[Guest Norbert]

Are you Keaning joking? A straight choice between Bowyer and Mcclaren and you ask me why choose Mcclaren, ex England manager, uefa cup finalist, carling cup winner and boros best and most successful manager in their history....oh and Fergies assistant during a treble winning season....

Sorry for the late reply. Let's see, he spent relatively large amounts of money and wasn't that much of an improvement over Robbo at Boro. The UEFA Cup final was an achievement. He was about 4th choice to be England manager, sucked up to the big egos and failed miserably there. Did well first time round at Twente, but since then has been sacked by Twente second time round, sacked by Nottingham Forest after spending a fair amount and being as successful as Appleton was here. He has done well in the UEFA Cup and that first spell at Twente, but hass been pretty dire since that time in Holland.

And as for being Fergie's assistant, all I can say is Brian Kidd and Ray Harford.

[ABBEY]

why dont do us all favour and hide my posts like im doing with yours.

Kamy and GM have met him and said he is a very good person and wants the best for Rovers. their comments are good enough for me to give Bowyer a chance.

You must be hiding them with the same stuff as TJ did because you keep finding them . So because someone on a message board has met them you think you know them .. Weird

As for hiding your posts there's only a couple on here I've done that to and your not even anywhere near the mark , I mean where I else can a bloke get his daily laughs from .. Your novelty value at best my friend .

[J*B]

There isn't going to be any posts left for Chaddy to see on this forum at the rate he's going!

[Steve Kean's Hypnotoad]

Generally agree with Norbert on McClaren. Patchy record and seems to need money to succeed.

Lets face it, you could name 10 realistic managerial targets, look at their records, and none would stack up against Allardyce. Even now his sacking makes me want to tear my hair out.

[Steve Moss]

I'd call her cow , bitch , hag . I'd never call anyone Madam .. Who the f does she think she is , horrible fat bint.

Courtesy has to be earned and that witch ain't earned it.

Lots of people I don't like have nicknames and I use them in an effort to be polite. How is this any different?

[ABBEY]

She doesn't deserve polite tho . She's an ignorant bitch .

[K-Hod]

For once, I fully agree with Abbey.

She's a smug, daft bint who can't admit she's been wrong on plentiful occasions in the last 2 and a half years.

Frankly, no word is too harsh for her.

[T4E]

This is the most ridiculous debate on here in a while.

[Steve Moss]

She doesn't deserve polite tho . She's an ignorant bitch .

For once, I fully agree with Abbey.

She's a smug, daft bint who can't admit she's been wrong on plentiful occasions in the last 2 and a half years.

Frankly, no word is too harsh for her.

As a supporter of the club, I understand the sentiment. However, as a supporter I believe saying those words are counter-productive. If I were a club employee trying to steady the ship and correct course (such as Gary Bowyer), I believe using that language would be destructive not constructive.

Anyone who condemns Gary Bowyer for addressing Mrs. Desai in the form she prefers is naive in the extreme. She (allegedly) holds all the cards. Whether you like it or not she is the only real game in town. To the extent that Mr. Bowyer swallowed his pride to use the word Madame, good for him. It's clear to me he's trying to look out for Rovers.

[K-Hod]

This is the most ridiculous debate on here in a while.

Haha, there have certainly been a few contenders!!!

[ABBEY]

As a supporter of the club, I understand the sentiment. However, as a supporter I believe saying those words are counter-productive. If I were a club employee trying to steady the ship and correct course (such as Gary Bowyer), I believe using that language would be destructive not constructive.

Anyone who condemns Gary Bowyer for addressing Mrs. Desai in the form she prefers is naive in the extreme. She (allegedly) holds all the cards. Whether you like it or not she is the only real game in town. To the extent that Mr. Bowyer swallowed his pride to use the word Madame, good for him. It's clear to me he's trying to look out for Rovers.

She's seen me on full rant mode at her and she will understand the feelings of myself and the other few fans who could be arsed greeting the chubby bint . Counter productive ? Why? They don't give a flying Balti . A horrible horrible family .