[Archived] Gary Bowyer

[Majiball]

Exactly Bryan. Le Chuck - you give Venky's far too much credit! They'll no doubt leave Boweyer hanging all summer before appointing him at the start of August.

Come on do you expect anything else?

It'll save money as we won't have to give him a pay-rise till he signs...

[Rover_Shaun]

Initially, but Bowyer could quite easily have brought Murphy right back into the team - he didn't, though. For most games Murphy wasn't even in the squad.

Just YES would have accuratley sufficed

[Blue blood]

In light of our current plight and bloated squad perhaps a West Brom model would work with a head coach and director of football. I imagine it'll take more than 1 or 2 transfer windows to get our squad anywhere near what it should be. Having a director doing this would free up the head coach to work on the training and tactics.

Bowyer could conceivably work in that sort of set up and his appointment would be less of a risk. However we would have to recruit a good DoF - which might be a bit easier (not needing as wide a range of skills). I should state I'm NOT advocating Shabby, Kentaro or anyone else currently connected with the club to this role.

[ada2020]

In light of our current plight and bloated squad perhaps a West Brom model would work with a head coach and director of football. I imagine it'll take more than 1 or 2 transfer windows to get our squad anywhere near what it should be. Having a director doing this would free up the head coach to work on the training and tactics.

Bowyer could conceivably work in that sort of set up and his appointment would be less of a risk. However we would have to recruit a good DoF - which might be a bit easier (not needing as wide a range of skills). I should state I'm NOT advocating Shabby, Kentaro or anyone else currently connected with the club to this role.

That would make for a sensible approach, if as you say the DoF is not shebby Singh.

Not a huge fan of this individual but Neil Warnock suggested after bring dismissed by Leeds that he feels he can offer a something in this sort of role.

I would be much happier with this arrangement over just giving the whole job to Bowyer.

[Rover_Shaun]

Warnock can pick his nose better than he can pick a player

[Guest Norbert]

Warnock isn't suited to that role. Too outspoken/controversial, and frankly is more of a manager. A D of F figure should probably be more of an experienced figure eager to co-ordinate coaching, help find players for specific roles, offer advice when asked, and help liase with the board. Just make the place run smoothly basically. Obviously in the normal world this would rule Shebby out straight away, but this is Blackburn Rovers, so it would be him or that teenager who Berlosconi banged at that bunga bunga party.

[A cup of beans]

And what would you say if Bowyer turned out to be another Mourinho, or even better, the next Mick McCarthy ?

Have to say though that appointing Bowyer would be an admission on the owners' part that they have given up on any future ambitions for the club. Assuming he gets the job after the usual weeks of prevarications and indecision, I wish him all the best. His record in charge as caretaker is very good, but I think we can forget any pretensions to a promotion push next season and will more than likely face another relegation battle.

From day one Venky's or the people advising them have never understood the value of experienced people running the club and they continue to make the same mistakes over and over again.

Nothing against Bowyer, but -WHEN he is appointed- there will certainly be parallels with Kean's rapid rise to the hotseat.

Bowyer will jump at the chance and who could blame him.

IMO it's fairly obvious that Venky's will never appoint an experienced Manager. They'll repeatedly go for the cheapest option and hope whoever they appoint will be easily manipulated and at worst wont rock their boat, speak out, or rumble their devious masterplan.

[DE.]

Just YES would have accuratley sufficed

Why in capital letters?

[garnersfags]

I can't believe that any of us are advocating appointing yet another manager with zero proven track record of successfully managing in the top half of the championship.

Some of us are actively saying that due to Bowyer's caretaker record, he should be promoted to manager of the club with arguably the biggest budget in the division. Never managed a club, at any level, never bought or sold a single player, just been the ONLY person left at the club who could possibly be given the caretaker role. These are the credentials of the person we are charging with the responsibility of achieving promotion whilst we still have the funds to mount a serious challenge.

It's utter madness, and probable commercial suicide.

I must state that I like Bowyer and respect what he has done for the club, especially in the last 6 months, and it is not his fault he is in the frame, although I was concerned by some of his comments when we dropped into the relegation places. No-one has any idea what he is like under the kind of pressure he will face after 3 straight defeats, or a mass exodus of talent, or the untenable position all Rovers managers are faced with at the moment. I think he has the potential to be a good manager but we have seen that this job is not suited to someone commencing their managerial apprenticeship.

I repeat, this situation requires an experienced head who will attract immediate respect and steadily move us forwards as the circus continues in the boardroom. We really need to be agreed on this if nothing else.

[chaddyrovers]

Gary Bowyer has been backed by Dunn for the Rovers Permanent Manager. this is in the today's LT

[John]

Gary Bowyer has been backed by Dunn for the Rovers Permanent Manager. this is in the today's LT

Blackburn midfielder David Dunn has urged fans to give manager Steve Kean time to turn around the club's poor start to the season.

[Gav]

Warnock can pick his nose better than he can pick a player

He can also pick up promotions rather well too, just the sort of guy we need at this moment in time IMO, sadly this is the market we're in these days.

If he was willing to come, and I doubt he'd work for Venkys, he should be brought in right away.

Also burnley fans hate him, get him in now!!

As I've already said, I've nothing against Bowyer, but as people have rightly pointed out this is very similat to the Kean appointment, have we learned nothing?!

[DE.]

I can't believe that any of us are advocating appointing yet another manager with zero proven track record of successfully managing in the top half of the championship.

Some of us are actively saying that due to Bowyer's caretaker record, he should be promoted to manager of the club with arguably the biggest budget in the division. Never managed a club, at any level, never bought or sold a single player, just been the ONLY person left at the club who could possibly be given the caretaker role. These are the credentials of the person we are charging with the responsibility of achieving promotion whilst we still have the funds to mount a serious challenge.

It's utter madness, and probable commercial suicide.

I must state that I like Bowyer and respect what he has done for the club, especially in the last 6 months, and it is not his fault he is in the frame, although I was concerned by some of his comments when we dropped into the relegation places. No-one has any idea what he is like under the kind of pressure he will face after 3 straight defeats, or a mass exodus of talent, or the untenable position all Rovers managers are faced with at the moment. I think he has the potential to be a good manager but we have seen that this job is not suited to someone commencing their managerial apprenticeship.

I repeat, this situation requires an experienced head who will attract immediate respect and steadily move us forwards as the circus continues in the boardroom. We really need to be agreed on this if nothing else.

I'm sure nobody disagrees with your conclusion mate, but I notice your post is void of a suggestion as to who would take the position under Venky's, Shaw and Agnew. Who do you think would come here that fits the criteria and how would they overcome the dual ownership boardroom politics that have destroyed our last three managers?

[Parsonblue]

I can't believe that any of us are advocating appointing yet another manager with zero proven track record of successfully managing in the top half of the championship.

Some of us are actively saying that due to Bowyer's caretaker record, he should be promoted to manager of the club with arguably the biggest budget in the division. Never managed a club, at any level, never bought or sold a single player, just been the ONLY person left at the club who could possibly be given the caretaker role. These are the credentials of the person we are charging with the responsibility of achieving promotion whilst we still have the funds to mount a serious challenge.

It's utter madness, and probable commercial suicide.

I must state that I like Bowyer and respect what he has done for the club, especially in the last 6 months, and it is not his fault he is in the frame, although I was concerned by some of his comments when we dropped into the relegation places. No-one has any idea what he is like under the kind of pressure he will face after 3 straight defeats, or a mass exodus of talent, or the untenable position all Rovers managers are faced with at the moment. I think he has the potential to be a good manager but we have seen that this job is not suited to someone commencing their managerial apprenticeship.

I repeat, this situation requires an experienced head who will attract immediate respect and steadily move us forwards as the circus continues in the boardroom. We really need to be agreed on this if nothing else.

Howard Kendall had never managed a club before he came to the Rovers but was a huge success and he came into a club that had just been relegated to the Third Division. Gus Poyet, Brian McDermott and Malky Mackay had only coaching experience before taking up their first managerial posts and all did exceptionally well. Every successful manager has to start somewhere and there is no reason why Gary can't be hugely successful. Every managerial appointment is a gamble no matter how experienced the manager. When the Rovers appointed Jim Iley they followed exactly the same formula as they had when appointing Ken Furphy, Gordon Lee and Jim Smith. Those three were very successful at Ewood whilst Iley was a disaster and yet the club was in a far better position when Iley arrived than when Furphy arrived. Personally, I'd be more than happy with Gary at the helm rather than some out of work manager who has failed at other clubs and is desperate for any sort of job.

[Gav]

Howard Kendall had never managed a club before he came to the Rovers but was a huge success and he came into a club that had just been relegated to the Third Division. Gus Poyet, Brian McDermott and Malky Mackay had only coaching experience before taking up their first managerial posts and all did exceptionally well. Every successful manager has to start somewhere and there is no reason why Gary can't be hugely successful. Every managerial appointment is a gamble no matter how experienced the manager. When the Rovers appointed Jim Iley they followed exactly the same formula as they had when appointing Ken Furphy, Gordon Lee and Jim Smith. Those three were very successful at Ewood whilst Iley was a disaster and yet the club was in a far better position when Iley arrived than when Furphy arrived. Personally, I'd be more than happy with Gary at the helm rather than some out of work manager who has failed at other clubs and is desperate for any sort of job.

You draw some good comparisons Parson, but we mustn’t lose sight of the fact Bowyer has already been in charge here for a number of games and we have that yardstick to go off.

Bringing Murphy back into the squad was just plain wrong in my book and stinks of people meddling with his team selection. We also have some very abject performances, which isn’t necessarily Bowyers fault, but points towards his inability to motivate the players, I think they see him as a mate more than a manager and that doesn’t bode well for next season.

But time will tell, because venys will take the easiest and cheapest option and that means Bowyer will be given the gig, its just any example of the owners not learning from past mistakes and we’ll all suffer as a result.

[onlyonejackwalker]

You draw some good comparisons Parson, but we mustn’t lose sight of the fact Bowyer has already been in charge here for a number of games and we have that yardstick to go off.

Bringing Murphy back into the squad was just plain wrong in my book and stinks of people meddling with his team selection. We also have some very abject performances, which isn’t necessarily Bowyers fault, but points towards his inability to motivate the players, I think they see him as a mate more than a manager and that doesn’t bode well for next season.

But time will tell, because venys will take the easiest and cheapest option and that means Bowyer will be given the gig, its just any example of the owners not learning from past mistakes and we’ll all suffer as a result.

Gav, you were a big fan of Appleton and were very disappointed when he was sacked. Personally speaking I have no idea why as I thought we were doomed under him. You were 100% sure when Bowyer was installed that we would go down. Nailed on for relegation. So clearly you must have had your footballing reasons for believing that would happen with Appleton's removal.

Therefore it is probably correct to say that Bowyer suprised you in keeping us up relatively easily, following such disastrous performances and the shocking results gleaned under Appleton? A big turn around in form and results engineered by Bowyer.

Perhaps a more pertinent question regarding appropriate experience, should be who has the most experience working at the Rovers under the Venky's? Bowyer has done well for Rovers this year, no two ways about it and deserves to be in the frame for the position.The Berg / Bowyer and Appleton / Bowyer switches demonstrate we could do far worse than trust in him.

My personal preference remains Curbishley, but it clearly isn't going to happen. Bowyer would be high up my list of other alternatives and much more preferable for me than Mclaren, Mcleish, Coyle, Ericsson and a myriad of other names mentioned, irrespective of whether they currently have more promotions / relegations on their CV's.

[Cherry Blue]

ok the situation started to fall apart days after venkys took control but if GB has had direct talks we can assume from reports he insisted that they get on with it. They haven't. Why?

[thenodrog]

Howard Kendall had never managed a club before he came to the Rovers but was a huge success and he came into a club that had just been relegated to the Third Division. Gus Poyet, Brian McDermott and Malky Mackay had only coaching experience before taking up their first managerial posts and all did exceptionally well.

Paul Ince?

btw Player managers in the lower divisions used to be brilliant until the crazy money earned in the top division did away with any requirement to earn a living after they hang their boots up.

[Gav]

Gav, you were a big fan of Appleton and were very disappointed when he was sacked. Personally speaking I have no idea why as I thought we were doomed under him. You were 100% sure when Bowyer was installed that we would go down. Nailed on for relegation. So clearly you must have had your footballing reasons for believing that would happen with Appleton's removal.

Therefore it is probably correct to say that Bowyer suprised you in keeping us up relatively easily, following such disastrous performances and the shocking results gleaned under Appleton? A big turn around in form and results engineered by Bowyer.

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I wasn't a big fan of Appleton at all, nor was I a big fan of Berg, but if anyone thinks changing managers every 6 weeks is a recipe for success then they're sadly mistaken.

Bowyer hasn't suprised me at all, but i did think we'd go down not because of him but because of the constant change in management. Bowyers done a great job and deserves nothing but praise, but appointing another manager in the vein of Mr Kean fills me full of dread. Bowyer in fact was lower down the pecking order than Kean was if memory serves me correctly.

We need experience, not a cheap and easy option, the past 12 months has proved that hasn't it?

[thenodrog]

My personal preference remains Curbishley, but it clearly isn't going to happen. Bowyer would be high up my list of other alternatives and much more preferable for me than Maclaren, Mcleish, Coyle, Ericsson and a myriad of other names mentioned, irrespective of whether they currently have more promotions / relegations on the their CV's.

Curbishly has cemented himself into folklore as a top manager simply because he's packed it in in the top division. Clever. Most carry on with a small club till they suffer the ignomany of relegation and prove to all it was all a fluke. Curbishly was a good manager he wasn't infallible and he was definitely not a legendary one.

If Coyle had been run over by a bus a month before he did his Judas bit and binned off Burnley for Bolton people would still be talking about him with reverence and awe. Alan bloody Nixon would certainly have seen to that! However Coyle wasn't run over was he? He just carried on and now he is seriously damaged goods.

The manager we need needs to be strongest off the field. We need to get the squad down to 24/25 and the club on a workeable budget before the Venkys bugger off!

[onlyonejackwalker]

I wasn't a big fan of Appleton at all, nor was I a big fan of Berg, but if anyone thinks changing managers every 6 weeks is a recipe for success then they're sadly mistaken.

Bowyer hasn't suprised me at all, but i did think we'd go down not because of him but because of the constant change in management. Bowyers done a great job and deserves nothing but praise, but appointing another manager in the vein of Mr Kean fills me full of dread. Bowyer in fact was lower down the pecking order than Kean was if memory serves me correctly.

We need experience, not a cheap and easy option, the past 12 months has proved that hasn't it?

Changing managers every six months is indeed foolhardy. Going down under Appleton would have been even more foolhardy however as we could all see he was badly struggling. Credit to whoever for making ther decision to change at that time as things could have been so much worse right now. No-one has bleated on more than I about the need for an experienced manager at the helm ever since SA was removed, but naturally people don't believe that will ever happen under the Venky's and lesser alternatives are then discussed. With most of these examples I would still prefer Bowyer.

Curbishly has cemented himself into folklore as a top manager simply because he's packed it in in the top division. Clever. Most carry on with a small club till they suffer the ignomany of relegation and prove to all it was all a fluke. Curbishly was a good manager he wasn't infallible and he was definitely not a legendary one.

If Coyle had been run over by a bus a month before he did his Judas bit and binned off Burnley for Bolton people would still be talking about him with reverence and awe. Alan bloody Nixon would certainly have seen to that! However Coyle wasn't run over was he? He just carried on and now he is seriously damaged goods.

Folklore? Maybe in Charlton. Their fans speak very highly of him to this day.

I don't think you can dismiss Curbishley's reign at Charlton as a possible 'fluke'.... Personally think he did wonders at that club as highlighted by their dramatic fall from grace when he left. No comparison at all with Coyle, a one season wonder, as he was always untested and unproven and it was no lasting suprise to me that he bombed badly at Bolton. Curbishley managed 15 years + in the PL with Charlton I think, amazing really. Smaller clubs like Southampton and Coventry also managed long unbroken spells in the top flight over the last 30 years or so, but examples are few and far between for those that achieved similar success with much smaller budgets available than most.

[Parsonblue]

Paul Ince?

btw Player managers in the lower divisions used to be brilliant until the crazy money earned in the top division did away with any requirement to earn a living after they hang their boots up.

Ince had management experience before coming to the Rovers unlike Kendall. He'd done OK at both Macclesfield and MK Dons but it was the step up to the Premier League that proved too much for him. It will be interesting to see how he goes on at Blackpool and how his previous experiences impact upon him.

[Gav]

Changing managers every six months is indeed foolhardy. Going down under Appleton would have been even more foolhardy however as we could all see he was badly struggling. Credit to whoever for making ther decision to change at that time as things could have been so much worse right now. No-one has bleated on more than I about the need for an experienced manager at the helm ever since SA was removed, but naturally people don't believe that will ever happen under the Venky's and lesser alternatives are then discussed. With most of these examples I would still prefer Bowyer.

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You could well be right Onlyone, time will tell.

[den]

You can't really compare appointing Kendall - to us appointing Bowyer Parson.

If we currently had the choice of Bowyer and say bringing in a hugely experienced, top midfielder who was widely respected within the game and had the desire to get into management - as our player manager, there would be no argument would there?

[roverandout]

our most successful managers in the last 20 years have been experienced ones, (mark hughes with wales). Kidd, harford, ince, kean, berg and Appleton have been major flops, so it would be common sense to go for experience, bowyer will probably fall into the latter category.