[Archived] Gary Bowyer

[broadsword]

Dunn's a mixed bag, he's not exactly treated his body as a temple, and he's been well-paid by the club while he's been injured.

I don't think of him as a legend, and nor do I think he's given selfless service to the club. He's hardly in the same category as Douglas and Clayton.

[DE.]

So are we going to hammer the lad for a few bad decisions? Maturity comes with age, the last few pages prove that...

I think this messageboard at times strongly challenges that theory.

[West Yorks Rover]

The majority of us fans now seem to accept that the club is ' out of control ' and not being run in an honest and professional manner,

and Agnew says, lets just carry on as if nothing has happened, everything is fine.

Given what I have said, if Gary Bowyer is offered the job and accepts it, would he not be guilty by association ?

Lets remember he has been at Ewood for nearly 10 years, everyone says he knows the club 'inside out', therefore

you would assume,( given that most of us seem to think he is a reasonably intelligent guy) he would have a pretty

good idea what is, and has been going on and will no doubt find out much more, should he accept the job.

I think to believe differently would be rather naive.

[gumboots]

Knowing and being able to do anything about it or condoning it are very different things though. He presumably cares about what happens on the pitch. He'll presumably care if he suspects something is wrong when he wants to bring someone in and isn't allowed to, but guilty by association - I don't know. time will tell

[RevidgeBlue]

The majority of us fans now seem to accept that the club is ' out of control ' and not being run in an honest and professional manner,

and Agnew says, lets just carry on as if nothing has happened, everything is fine.

Given what I have said, if Gary Bowyer is offered the job and accepts it, would he not be guilty by association ?

Lets remember he has been at Ewood for nearly 10 years, everyone says he knows the club 'inside out', therefore

you would assume,( given that most of us seem to think he is a reasonably intelligent guy) he would have a pretty

good idea what is, and has been going on and will no doubt find out much more, should he accept the job.

I think to believe differently would be rather naive.

No.

One good man at the Club (and I'm sure there's a lot more than that still left) is better than none.

[den]

The thing is, we've all been banging on about experience. Scholes has none, not even the little bit that most of the managers who have failed here have. I know it was Maj who originally suggested him, not you, but you seem to think he'd be preferable to Bowyer who has, to some extent, proved he can get a team playing in this division. Now personally I think that's more of a recommendation than having been a player at Man Utd, even one who Ferguson thinks might be good enough to coach there. Didn't Ferguson also say that he never saw Mark Hughes as managership material? I want a proper manager, not a caretaker we appoint as permanent manager because we can't find anyone else, nor a possible decent manager who has zero experience of anything outside Man Utd. However, if push came to shove I'd take the guy with a bit of experience over the guy with nil, so Bowyer over Scholes for me. I may be wrong; I often am, but that would be my choice.

This started when Parson said the appointment of Kendall was comparable to us now appointing Bowyer - because neither had much experience of management. My point was that Kendall came with a huge amount of experience as a player at the top level, with good recommendations as a potential manager and most importantly, he came as a player manager. Given the same scenario now Gumboots, would you go for Kendall or Bowyer?

I was discussing Scholes (insert other name) as a player manager, where he could lead the team both on and off the field as Kendall had done.

[Proudtobeblue&white]

I would renew ST (supposing they ever go on sale) in an instant if Scholesey was appointed PM, as it would show someone somewhere had made a top decision. Sadly it won't happen, as the best interests of our club are secondary to those in "power".

[RevidgeBlue]

This started when Parson said the appointment of Kendall was comparable to us now appointing Bowyer - because neither had much experience of management. My point was that Kendall came with a huge amount of experience as a player at the top level, with good recommendations as a potential manager and most importantly, he came as a player manager. Given the same scenario now Gumboots, would you go for Kendall or Bowyer?

I was discussing Scholes (insert other name) as a player manager, where he could lead the team both on and off the field as Kendall had done.

Question wasn't directed at me but Kendall, or his equivalent today, (P. Neville or Scholes maybe) would be exciting propositions, but complete gambles. No different to Berg in essence surely?

Bowyer has already shown this season he can do a decent job of managing a team at this level, with according to you, a seriously substandard squad, so would be a far safer bet.

[West Yorks Rover]

No.

One good man at the Club (and I'm sure there's a lot more than that still left) is better than none.

I accept your point Rev, but if he takes the managers' job, surely he will be in danger of turning into, just a nicer version

of Steve Kean, given that he will have a much more senior role at the club and he will have many more questions to answer

in that role.

[den]

Question wasn't directed at me but Kendall, or his equivalent today, (P. Neville or Scholes maybe) would be exciting propositions, but complete gambles. No different to Berg in essence surely?

Bowyer has already shown this season he can do a decent job of managing a team at this level, with according to you, a seriously substandard squad, so would be a far safer bet.

Player manager Rev. Everyone keeps missing that important point. Berg didn't come as a player manager did he. Apart from the fact that he'd be a far bigger attraction for transfer targets and sell more ST's.

[ABBEY]

I bet the posters who are slagging Dunny off weren't when he scored the equaliser against Burnley were u???

funny how certain members do this.

FOR ONCE I AGREE WITH YOU

[yoda's brother]

I would renew ST (supposing they ever go on sale) in an instant if Scholesey was appointed PM, as it would show someone somewhere had made a top decision. Sadly it won't happen, as the best interests of our club are secondary to those in "power".

be careful of wanting a player manager, murphy is still lurking about

[gumboots]

thought we had no cash so who are these transfer targets going to be. And hindsight is wonderful. Kendall, not that i remember him as Rovers' manager, could have been a disaster - there are no guarantees that it's going to work out. so yes, I'd probably take Bowyer as we at least know what he brings. I accept that you wouldn't since you do know what kendall did for Rovers and your view of him is coloured by that. And player managers don't exist now at the level we're talking about really. Not even much down as far as the conference. There is so much else around a club that they don't have time to train and play as well as manage

[RevidgeBlue]

Player manager Rev. Everyone keeps missing that important point. Berg didn't come as a player manager did he. Apart from the fact that he'd be a far bigger attraction for transfer targets and sell more ST's.

Point taken about being a bigger attraction, but that would only really last as long as results were good. If said player manager got off to a bad start any attraction would soon fade.

I actually floated the names of Scholes and Giggs on here when Sam was sacked to gauge people's reaction as I thought they may float Venky's boat in terms of being big draws at the time when they were talking about bringing the likes of Ronaldo in. It didn't get an enthusiastic reception then as I recall and it's probably a couple of years too far down the line for Giggs or Scholes to have any real value as player managers.

Who else would be viable? Phil Neville? He's apparently under serious consideration at Everton. As for us I'm not sure we can take another total punt on someone who has never managed before.

[Proudtobeblue&white]

be careful of wanting a player manager, murphy is still lurking about

Ah, but I wouldn't renew under that scenario......that's cos it would be a typical Loon decision!

[Amo]

Yes he's made good money, but so have many players, but we'll never see another player give such service to the club I'd wager, and for that reason alone he deserves more respect than he's getting from some southern based wand spanker and his mates.

Says the guy who wanted Allardyce sacked and Appleton retained.

If that's the benefit of being 'local', I think I'll stay right here.

[AllRoverAsia]

thought we had no cash so who are these transfer targets going to be. And hindsight is wonderful. Kendall, not that i remember him as Rovers' manager, could have been a disaster - there are no guarantees that it's going to work out. so yes, I'd probably take Bowyer as we at least know what he brings. I accept that you wouldn't since you do know what kendall did for Rovers and your view of him is coloured by that. And player managers don't exist now at the level we're talking about really. Not even much down as far as the conference. There is so much else around a club that they don't have time to train and play as well as manage

Takes a lot to get me out of my sick bed. Kendall invented the nearpost corner and also regrefully the tank the ball upfield from kickoff and from a throw in. Usually to him..

[chaddyrovers]

FOR ONCE I AGREE WITH YOU

i'm in shock now Abs. think i need a pint of lager now lol.

but all seriously Abbey, we might disagree but are rovers fans at the end of the day

[Parsonblue]

This started when Parson said the appointment of Kendall was comparable to us now appointing Bowyer - because neither had much experience of management. My point was that Kendall came with a huge amount of experience as a player at the top level, with good recommendations as a potential manager and most importantly, he came as a player manager. Given the same scenario now Gumboots, would you go for Kendall or Bowyer?

I was discussing Scholes (insert other name) as a player manager, where he could lead the team both on and off the field as Kendall had done.

den, nobody had more experience as a player at the top level than Bobby Charlton and when he went to Preston as Player-manager he was hardly a success. A good manager doesn't have to have been a good player and a great player doesn't always make a good manager.

[Guest Norbert]

Jose Mourinho, Sir Bobby Robson, Alex Ferguson, Arsene Wenger, Rafa Benitez and Guus Hiddink were average players at best, and yet they were good or great managers.

Tony Adams, Bobby Moore, Peter Shilton and Stuart Pearce were all talented leaders on the pitch but pretty crap managers.

So being a good professional player on the pitch does not necessarily make a good manager.

[chaddyrovers]

Jose Mourinho, Sir Bobby Robson, Alex Ferguson, Arsene Wenger, Rafa Benitez and Guus Hiddink were average players at best, and yet they were good or great managers.

Tony Adams, Bobby Moore, Peter Shilton and Stuart Pearce were all talented leaders on the pitch but pretty crap managers.

So being a good professional player on the pitch does not necessarily make a good manager.

+100

[chaddyrovers]

Gary Bowyer is 1/8 was Sky Bet to become next permanent manager.

Next manager is at 20/1.

[Tyrone Shoelaces]

Bobby Robson an average player ? That why he got he got 20 caps for England in a time they weren't handing them out like Smarties.

[Stuart]

Likewise Ferguron's playing career. He wasn't too shabby at all.

[LDRover]

If we're throwing 'older/retired players in the mix I'd be looking at Jamie Carragher.

In the words of Graeme Souness ,a proper bloke.