[Archived] Relegation threatened Sunderland sack manager Martin O'Neill

[thenodrog]

How could it be illegal to hold any kind of view?

Miliband isn't the issue either, not are the various shades of Communist parties, including the Italian on which, as you suggest, became part of the government in what is known as the 'historic compromise'.

The least DiCanio can do is explain what he means when he says he's a fascist.

Is it not illegal these days to be racist?

Why should he explain anything past the team sheet? His life is his own and if the Sland board have thought fit to appoint him as a FOOTBALL MANAGER and nothing else then what does it matter? More particularly what does it matter to you?

btw do you hold an opinion on my first question about the GMB?

[ABBEY]

How could it be illegal to hold any kind of view?

Miliband isn't the issue either, not are the various shades of Communist parties, including the Italian on which, as you suggest, became part of the government in what is known as the 'historic compromise'.

The least DiCanio can do is explain what he means when he says he's a fascist.

The moral police have now boarded the bandwagon again.

[Paul Mellelieu]

Is it not illegal these days to be racist?

Why should he explain anything past the team sheet? His life is his own and if the Sland board have thought fit to appoint him as a FOOTBALL MANAGER and nothing else then what does it matter? More particularly what does it matter to you?

btw do you hold an opinion on my first question about the GMB?

It's illegal to propagate racist views: a bit different to holding them. The GMB has 600,000 members, which means it has more members than the main political parties combined: so not a small outfit. If they want to promote recruitment through a sponsorship deal with a local lower league club, then why not?

I wonder how Sunderland's Jewish fans feel about having a fascist in charge of their club.

The moral police have now boarded the bandwagon again.

Being anti-fascist isn't too much to ask is it?

[jim mk2]

1. GMB? Had to google that..... But why would some little known Trade Union sponsor a football club in the first place? Surely supporting already massively overpaid footballers is not what their membership fees should be used for is it or even what Trade Unions should be about?

2. I seem to rem that unlike the Communist Party in the UK attracting a few dislocated and emittered kranks the pale pink Italian communist party actually held a significant position in Italian politics. So isn't the rise in facism simply an equal and opposite reaction to that situation in a free democratic system rather than the typical oppression practised by various Jack Booted communist regimes around the world, which find the only way to hold power is to subjugate the population by banning all political opposition entirely?

3. Why would Sunderland even want David Milliband as a Director once it became known that he was never ever going to be the PM?

According to Kevin McGuire this morning Milliband drew 125k for a fortnights work as Sunderland Director! Do you think that now he has recently developed into a benign, caring and charitable person that he might hand that over to some of his windfall to charity? How about giving some to the benefits agencies to assist people whose benefits are being cut to pay for their Sky contract that New Labour are currently pretending to be concerned about?

4. Is it illegal to hold fascist views? Yes or No?

GMB is a leading trade union with more than 600,000 members but then in your little closed world you wouldn't know that.

As for the rest of that tripe it's typical of you to defend the indefensible.

[thenodrog]

The GMB has 600,000 members, which means it has more members than the main political parties combined: so not a small outfit. If they want to promote recruitment through a sponsorship deal with a local lower league club, then why not?

GMB is a leading trade union with more than 600,000 members but then in your little closed world you wouldn't know that.

C'Mon macca don't tell me you honestly believe that sponsoring Swindon Town will recruit any new members! If I had never even heard of the GMB then it's been money down the drain don't you think? Could it be that one of their 'top guns' has connections with Swindon Town eh?

BUT..... If you two are in contact with this organisation how do you feel about them putting money into professional football instead of the much more needy causes that their lapdogs in the Labour party are busy fabricating at the moment.... and if you are comfortable with that then why not contact them and tell them that we could do with some at BRFC? Now run along and remember to report back with their response.

[ABBEY]

It's illegal to propagate racist views: a bit different to holding them. The GMB has 600,000 members, which means it has more members than the main political parties combined: so not a small outfit. If they want to promote recruitment through a sponsorship deal with a local lower league club, then why not?

I wonder how Sunderland's Jewish fans feel about having a fascist in charge of their club.

Being anti-fascist isn't too much to ask is it?

Your anti everything tho.

[jim mk2]

C'Mon macca don't tell me you honestly believe that sponsoring Swindon Town will recruit any new members! If I had never even heard of the GMB then it's been money down the drain don't you think? Could it be that one of their 'top guns' has connections with Swindon Town eh?

BUT..... If you two are in contact with this organisation how do you feel about them putting money into professional football instead of the much more needy causes that their lapdogs in the Labour party are busy fabricating at the moment.... and if you are comfortable with that then why not contact them and tell them that we could do with some at BRFC? Now run along and remember to report back with their response.

GMB sponsored Swindon to the tune of £4,000 a year. Good value on their part I would say.

Now run and along and try again.

[Hanks]

Article in favour of Di Canio http://www.independent.co.uk/voices/comment/at-least-di-canio-is-honest-about-his-fascist-views-unlike-his-critics-8555980.html?fb_action_ids=10151385804814072%2C39573756

[jim mk2]

Sunderland have taken an enormous gamble in appointing Di Canio. His confrontational style ("management by hand grenade" according to people at Swindon) means sooner or later he will be involved in incidents either with referees or supporters or both. On several occasions at Swindon he was warned by police after goading away fans. Di Danio says his politics are irrelevant and insists it is possible to be a fascist and not a racist but racism is never far from the surface in English football (witness John Terry this season) and Di Canio's saluting habits will surely be mimicked by the fans on the terraces.

Di Canio may or may not keep them in the Premier League but either way his appointment is bound to end in tears in my opinion.

[Stuart]

Should be fun for the neutral though, Jim.

[broadsword]

Boo hoo, di Canio once stuck his arm in the air to say hi to his mates, and he thinks that Mussolini was a bit misunderstood.

Let's compare the number of times di Canio has mentioned fascism and done his little salute to the amount of spiel that has come forth on the media about his behaviour. di Canio isn't interested in talking about it, it's only the press who want to propagate it. There's a certain amount of hand-wringing going on, some people seem to want to tell Sunderland who they can and cannot hire, others want to interrogate the guy.

Quite frankly, who gives a @#/?? Is he a paid-up member of the BNP? No, I think he's just a football manager. Shall we turn the lives of everyone in football upside down and see what drops out and tell people what is and isn't acceptable and whether they should be allowed to work in football?

The idea of Sunderland fans giving fascist salutes is total nonsense. Did that happen at Swindon? I hardly think di Canio will court such behaviour.

[Audax]

Admittedly, it is the Roman Salute that has gotten Di Canio in how many people view him negatively.

If it was just the tattoo, I don't think it'd be a big thing, I think PDC was pandering to the Lazio Ultras, Camraderie and such.

[jim mk2]

Sunderland fans might not salute but I'm sure opposing supporters will enjoy themselves immensely taking the p*ss (I'd be very disappointed if they didn't to be honest). The Premier League authorities must be looking forward to the sight of thousands of fans making right-wing salutes towards the Sunderland dug-out being beamed all round the world.

[Paul Mellelieu]

The facts about Di Canio at Swindon and the GMB.

http://socialistunity.com/paulo-di-canio-we-must-oppose-fascism-becomming-acceptable/#.UVsVAe0c8RE

[Gally]

Boo hoo, di Canio once stuck his arm in the air to say hi to his mates, and he thinks that Mussolini was a bit misunderstood.

Let's compare the number of times di Canio has mentioned fascism and done his little salute to the amount of spiel that has come forth on the media about his behaviour. di Canio isn't interested in talking about it, it's only the press who want to propagate it. There's a certain amount of hand-wringing going on, some people seem to want to tell Sunderland who they can and cannot hire, others want to interrogate the guy.

Quite frankly, who gives a @#/?? Is he a paid-up member of the BNP? No, I think he's just a football manager. Shall we turn the lives of everyone in football upside down and see what drops out and tell people what is and isn't acceptable and whether they should be allowed to work in football?

The idea of Sunderland fans giving fascist salutes is total nonsense. Did that happen at Swindon? I hardly think di Canio will court such behaviour.

As I understand it, the media have only really been banging this drum after D. Miliband resigned from the board, basically making them talk about it.

Despite pushing over referees and thinking that Mussolini was essentially a good bloke, most broadcasters prefer to remember his not scoring an open goal when a player was down injured.

People will have different views about how relevant it is, but a witch-hunt this is not.

[Amo]

Absolutely pathetic how much media attention this is getting.

Let the guy have his views and get on with his job.

Talk about fascist...

[thenodrog]

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[thenodrog]

GMB sponsored Swindon to the tune of £4,000 a year. Good value on their part I would say.

Now run and along and try again.

• Ah.... Now that makes more sense. 4k isn't much is it? I doubt they'd get many 'recruitments' out of that. imo reading between the lines of that socialist activist publication that macca gets it sounds like a place at a table in 'Corporate' for someone. I shouldn't be at all suprised if it were simply a perk for a high ranking official? If so I wonder if HMRC know about it? You frequently rail against expenses and perks Jim so why not investigate further?

[thenodrog]

Sunderland fans might not salute but I'm sure opposing supporters will enjoy themselves immensely taking the p*ss (I'd be very disappointed if they didn't to be honest). The Premier League authorities must be looking forward to the sight of thousands of fans making right-wing salutes towards the Sunderland dug-out being beamed all round the world.

Opposing fans taking the p1ss out of a declared facist. Surely you and macca would see that as a positive?

[jim mk2]

• Ah.... Now that makes more sense. 4k isn't much is it? I doubt they'd get many 'recruitments' out of that. imo reading between the lines of that socialist activist publication that macca gets it sounds like a place at a table in 'Corporate' for someone. I shouldn't be at all suprised if it were simply a perk for a high ranking official? If so I wonder if HMRC know about it? You frequently rail against expenses and perks Jim so why not investigate further?

Alf clutching at straws - a sight to behold.

[Batman.]

Alf clutching at straws - a sight to behold.

Embarrassingly so.

[CapeTownRover]

PAOLO DI CANIO launched an incredible attack on his keeper Wes Foderingham after substituting him just 21 minutes into the game.

The Swindon stopper headed for the tunnel but not before the 21-year-old had kicked a water bottle on to the pitch in anger.

Boss Di Canio said: “He is one of the worst players I have ever seen. There was no reason why I could not change him for a substitute.

“He was the worst player against Stoke in midweek but we won that game 4-3.

“Any player can make a mistake but it was his arrogance and ignorance that was the worst I have seen from a professional.

“Not as a person but as an athlete. If he does not say sorry to the fans, he will be out of my team. I don’t mind, these are my rules.

“Maybe he behaved like this because the window has closed. But an emergency loan is possible and I’m ready to bring in a goalkeeper.”

Read more: http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/sport/football/4517558/Paolo-Di-Canio-rant-about-Swindon-keeper-Wes-Foderingham.html#ixzz2POCwVdnA

[bypass06]

Paolo Di Canio's arrival at Sunderland highlights need for manager scouts.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/blog/2013/apr/03/paolo-di-canio-sunderland-manager-research

[jim mk2]

DEAN OF DURHAM URGES DI CANIO TO ``RENOUNCE FASCISM''

By Martyn Ziegler, Chief Reporter, Press Association Sport

The Dean of Durham has written an open letter to new Sunderland manager Paolo di Canio calling on the Italian to publicly renounce fascism or risk being associated with ``toxic far-right tendencies''.

The Very Reverend Michael Sadgrove, the son of a Jewish war refugee and a Sunderland supporter, said he was struggling to stay loyal to the club and that he found Di Canio's ``self-confessed fascism deeply troubling''.

Di Canio refused to confirm or deny whether he was a fascist at a news conference yesterday but has previously stated he is ``a fascist but not a racist''.

He has also been pictured giving a fascist salute to Lazio 'ultras' and photographed attending the funeral of a leading Italian fascist.

In his open letter to Di Canio, the Dean of Durham wrote: ``Your appointment raises very difficult questions. You see, I am the child of a Jewish war refugee who got out of Germany and came to Britain just in time. Some of her family and friends perished in the Nazi death camps. So I find your self-confessed fascism deeply troubling.

``Fascism was nearly the undoing of the world. It cost millions of innocent lives. Mussolini, who you say has been deeply misunderstood, openly colluded with it. You are said to wear a tattoo DUX which speaks for itself. This all adds up to what I find baffling.

``You say that you are not a racist, but it needs great sophistication to understand how fascism and racism are ultimately different. I can promise you that this distinction will be lost on the people of the North East where the British National Party is finding fertile ground in which to sow the seeds of its pernicious and poisonous doctrine.

``You did not necessarily know this before you came. But I believe that unless you clearly renounce fascism in all its manifestations, you will be associated with these toxic far-right tendencies we have seen too much of in this region.''

Sadgrove said he was ``genuinely perplexed'' as to why Di Canio had refused to clarify his political beliefs and warned that the club now stands to lose support and respect at home and abroad.

He added: ``Please tell me that I have misunderstood, or missed some fundamental issue here. I am simply telling you with a heavy heart that it feels hard at the moment to stay loyal.''

[Audax]

From what I can see, Di Canio has just renounced Fascism.

http://www.safc.com/news/club-news/2013/april/statement-from-paolo-di-canio

Did he have problems in Italy when he said he was a Fascist and so came to England and Scotland?? It kind of sounds that way.