[Archived] Investigate or we'll publish Blackburn Rovers findings, warns Mullan

[1arC]

Bottom line seems to be that the idea was to bring in cheap players, use a coach to develop their value, then sell on. I've been saying that's their plan for some years now. Guess what? That's still the plan.

And I didn't need a dossier.

You are forgetting one Vital think. To bring players in you need money and we have none. Venky's/Rovers were never going to pay for the players, as they would never have owned them. It is against premier league rules to have third party ownership, but the was EXACTLY what was going on. I posted a link earlier in this thread which brings up an article about the Global e;even fund. For anyone who hasn't read it, take a look.

By the way Glen, great article, I didn't know much about you until our recent conversation, but I admire you for not only what you have done, but also how you have gone about it.

One other big ting on all this by the way, Venky's never wanted to own the club in reality and certainly never intended to run it or spend money on it. It has cost them millions as we all now know. It has been suggested today that they are looking for a way out, or will liquidate by the end of next season. That is the reality of this situation and not scaremongering.

[Rover_Shaun]

Venky's never wanted to own the club in reality and certainly never intended to run it or spend money on it. It has cost them millions as we all now know. It has been suggested today that they are looking for a way out, or will liquidate by the end of next season. That is the reality of this situation and not scaremongering.

Is there any concrete evidence on this?

[roverzee]

Is there any concrete evidence on this?

No of course there isn't. The website has turned into Jackanory and the usual gullibles are lapping it all up.

[den]

You are forgetting one Vital think. To bring players in you need money and we have none. Venky's/Rovers were never going to pay for the players, as they would never have owned them. It is against premier league rules to have third party ownership, but the was EXACTLY what was going on.

Didn't Glen at one point say nothing illegal had occurred? I mean, come on - if there is REAL, SOLID evidence of illegal goings on (and I don't mean simply word of mouth, mate to mate stuff) then the authorities would have had to act.

[1arC]

Is there any concrete evidence on this?

No none whatsoever and I have absolutely no desire to say told you so at the end of the season either. Read Glen's post very carefully, as it is spot on. Ask yourself, if you had been fleeced like Venky's have, would you continue to put money in to the club? There has to be an end game, they will not continue losing money like this, so I do believe what is being said about the end of this season.

[den]

Is there any concrete evidence on this?

It was posted by Reg Rover in the LT comments section, that others followed up by suggesting it was a speculative article in the Indian press two years ago. Even if Venkys do put us into Admin at the end of the season, it's no proof of any wrongdoing.

[1arC]

Didn't Glen at one point say nothing illegal had occurred? I mean, come on - if there is REAL, SOLID evidence of illegal goings on (and I don't mean simply word of mouth, mate to mate stuff) then the authorities would have had to act.

There is nothing illegal about third party ownership, but it is against Premier League rules. Kean writing his own contract, extending it and also doing what he wanted with the owners money, may prove to be good reason for Venky's to sue him. That would be a civil matter though, not a judicial one

No of course there isn't. The website has turned into Jackanory and the usual gullibles are lapping it all up.

No one asks you to sign on and read the site mate. Believe what you want, but this is no fairy story and if you look further than the end of your nose you will see it. Have you bothered googling Indoo Sella and Global eleven football fund? I think you may change you mind, if you read that.

[Rover_Shaun]

I too read Reg of the Rovers comments. I agree this status quo, ambition bereft, death by a thousand cuts situation cannot be maintained for much longer

[Stuart]

Grow some balls.

Publish the document.

Let's put things to bed once and for all.

By the looks of things, he just did. Would you prefer Times New Roman? Or are you looking for him to breach confidences by posting original emails and letters?

Thanks for the explanation Glen, quite a bit there I had no idea about.

I often forget there are people around who haven't heard about this stuff before. It's why some folk simply want to see the back of Venkys at all costs.

The bit I don't quite get is that once things changed, and Venkys were left holding the 'baby', why they pledged to do the right thing. It's not as though their actions since have backed up their words. They could have just blamed bad advice and walked. Indian pride?

[Baz]

My understanding is that sections of the dossier are personal statements & documents supplied by ex-employees of the club. They where made only on the basis that the information wouldn't be put in the public domain, and would in certain instances be a breach of NDAs and so they could get those individuals in legal and financial trouble if released.

I attended the open BRAG meeting (as a non member) about the dossier and meeting with the FA, but still don't know the full details of what is in there.

Glen has put plenty of information on here over the years, some opinion, lots of facts, its up to the individual to make their minds up, but the reasons above to me outline a reasonable defence of why it cannot be published. I suspect that the parts that can be published are already out there.

[Al]

What more could Glen have said? It seemed pretty comprehensive to me.

[roverzee]

This is the only post I will make on this matter , it won't be good enough for many , won't be believed by many , but hey ho , I'm a rovers supporter who does not get paid for his time .

Peoples personal information was leaking out the club like confetti

Well that fell down in the first bloody sentence!!

The most relevant leak from BRFC was the one which exposed you as having never had a season ticket. But the long-standing away attendees already knew that - nobody who went to Rovers home and away on a regular basis had ever seen you or heard of you.

It was almost as if some third party, someone with an ulterior motive, had parachuted you in to the BRAG thing to create trouble.

Maybe someone who had a sponsorship deal with the club, and the rest of the company board didn't like it, so somehow the price had to be reduced. So let's find some way to taint the Rovers brand. Like a few protests.

I wonder what happened next ... oh look!

http://companycheck.co.uk/company/09552214/WEC-RAIL-LTD/directors-secretaries

Mr Glen Warren Mullan - director - appointed 21-04-2015

Mr Wayne Anthony Wild - director - appointed 21-04-1015

Both very much in evidence at the 20 years PL celebration ... and some bragging before the event -

There is a celebration dinner on the 14th

Tickets were snapped up pretty quickly by businesses at a premium. Would of been good if it had been extended into opening the ground to the supporter base so everyone who wanted to could join in , with the celebrations.

I'm fortunate enough to have a got a ticket through work

I don't know who coined the phrase "The Welder and The Welders Mate", but I'd like to buy that person a pint.

[den]

What more could Glen have said? It seemed pretty comprehensive to me.

Firstly, there's never been any animosity from me against BRAG or Glen. I applaud them for at least trying to make sense of the truth behind the buy out and the subsequent goings on. But.....

Two points Al.

Firstly the idea that the plan was/is to use a coach to improve players and sell at a profit. To me, that's no surprise. It's what they did from day one - and apart from two half hearted attempts with Berg and Appleton - it's what they're doing now. There have been many fingers in that pie such as a certain company charging £1.6m agents fee for a player worth £400000.

Secondly the assertion that there have been transgressions that go against PL rules. I hear what's being said. The original problem that Glens had throughout all of this, still poses questions. It's Glens version, but we've seen no evidence whatsoever. It's also natural to assume that no one else has seen evidence either, otherwise action would have followed. I have no doubt that Glen has been given verbal evidence from different sources, but these sources aren't prepared to put their evidence to the people that matter. Is that because these people are prepared to involve themselves in a whispering campaign, but at the end of the day really don't have anything concrete to put before the authorities? I don't know.

So while Glen has put himself out there today, the same questions and doubts will remain. There has to be real evidence, paper trails, statements etc before the story can be nailed. I hope he can find it.

That's what I think.

[Reedy You're A Star]

Well that fell down in the first bloody sentence!!

The most relevant leak from BRFC was the one which exposed you as having never had a season ticket. But the long-standing away attendees already knew that - nobody who went to Rovers home and away on a regular basis had ever seen you or heard of you.

It was almost as if some third party, someone with an ulterior motive, had parachuted you in to the BRAG thing to create trouble.

Maybe someone who had a sponsorship deal with the club, and the rest of the company board didn't like it, so somehow the price had to be reduced. So let's find some way to taint the Rovers brand. Like a few protests.

I wonder what happened next ... oh look!

http://companycheck.co.uk/company/09552214/WEC-RAIL-LTD/directors-secretaries

Mr Glen Warren Mullan - director - appointed 21-04-2015

Mr Wayne Anthony Wild - director - appointed 21-04-1015

Both very much in evidence at the 20 years PL celebration ... and some bragging before the event -

I don't know who coined the phrase "The Welder and The Welders Mate", but I'd like to buy that person a pint.

The website has turned into Jackanory...

[roverzee]

Either you've lost your tongue or you can't challenge facts

[Reedy You're A Star]

Just pointing out hypocrisy. You can't rant about people telling tales, then tell your own and not expect to have it pointed out.

Anyway, as you were saying, the protests were A conspiracy by Glen and Wayne Wild to get the price of sponsorship down for WEC, not about getting rid of Venkys and Kean. Interesting, tell me more..

[glen9mullan]

Well that fell down in the first bloody sentence!!

The most relevant leak from BRFC was the one which exposed you as having never had a season ticket. But the long-standing away attendees already knew that - nobody who went to Rovers home and away on a regular basis had ever seen you or heard of you.

It was almost as if some third party, someone with an ulterior motive, had parachuted you in to the BRAG thing to create trouble.

Maybe someone who had a sponsorship deal with the club, and the rest of the company board didn't like it, so somehow the price had to be reduced. So let's find some way to taint the Rovers brand. Like a few protests.

I wonder what happened next ... oh look!

http://companycheck.co.uk/company/09552214/WEC-RAIL-LTD/directors-secretaries

Mr Glen Warren Mullan - director - appointed 21-04-2015

Mr Wayne Anthony Wild - director - appointed 21-04-1015

Both very much in evidence at the 20 years PL celebration ... and some bragging before the event -

I don't know who coined the phrase "The Welder and The Welders Mate", but I'd like to buy that person a pint.

Go on , I will bite, season ticket info , perhaps get your facts right, I was very open about not having a season ticket the season protest started , however historically I've had my fair share . I also did not miss a game that season at home either and attended some away games . I probably could have bought two season tickets the price of match day tickets .When I started watching rovers as a kid in the mid 80s , you didn't exactly need one as it was not awfully hard to get a match ticket on match days .

How I choose to pay to watch my club , has nothing to do with you , So you need to try harder , plus rather than hide behind an alias try using your real name , I use mine with pride ☺️

Regarding my profession , what its got to do with Rovers or you I don't know ?

So what , I'm a director at one of the local areas biggest employers , which employs across the group over 600 people .

I've earnt my stripes by being in the trade for 22 years , from shop floor , foreman, production manager , project manager , senior project manager , divisional manager to Divisional Director .

Regarding your point on Wayne Wild and WEC's sponsorship of Rovers , I sincerely hope you have some pretty good legal advice as that statement is libellous .

So rather than hide , stand toe to toe , reveal yourself , or run along now

[den]

That's what I think.

Not that it matters. I feel like I'm an uninvited guest at someone else's party.

Goodnight.

[ABBEY]

Well that fell down in the first bloody sentence!!

The most relevant leak from BRFC was the one which exposed you as having never had a season ticket. But the long-standing away attendees already knew that - nobody who went to Rovers home and away on a regular basis had ever seen you or heard of you.

It was almost as if some third party, someone with an ulterior motive, had parachuted you in to the BRAG thing to create trouble.

Maybe someone who had a sponsorship deal with the club, and the rest of the company board didn't like it, so somehow the price had to be reduced. So let's find some way to taint the Rovers brand. Like a few protests.

I wonder what happened next ... oh look!

http://companycheck.co.uk/company/09552214/WEC-RAIL-LTD/directors-secretaries

Mr Glen Warren Mullan - director - appointed 21-04-2015

Mr Wayne Anthony Wild - director - appointed 21-04-1015

Both very much in evidence at the 20 years PL celebration ... and some bragging before the event -

I don't know who coined the phrase "The Welder and The Welders Mate", but I'd like to buy that person a pint.

Do you ever make a post that doesn't involve having a go at someone ? I get called Mr angry but f me sideways you certainly are Mr bully

[glen9mullan]

Do you ever make a post that doesn't involve having a go at someone ? I get called Mr angry but f me sideways you certainly are Mr bully

I'd say misinformed sheep , who has zero courage to post as ones self .

I think they call them keyboard warriors also .

Most interestingly , all of this persons post , Blames the supporters and cast no blame to the owners , and the parasites that have sucked the life out of our club .

Seems to have an obsession with me , so he's either being paid , fancies me , or is someone disappointed I'm married with kids .

Either way , a weirdo

[gumboots]

Can I just say that for various reasons there are a lot of us on here who don't use our own names. However, most of us know how to talk to other people, so it doesn't matter

[glen9mullan]

Can I just say that for various reasons there are a lot of us on here who don't use our own names. However, most of us know how to talk to other people, so it doesn't matter

I agree of course ,

However if Someone wants to throw false accusations , allegations on a public message board then they should do so with their own name .

I've always posted under my own name , but can understand why others that don't .

However if someone wants to take what I post further , I.e if it's untrue (take me to court ) I ain't exactly hiding .

He bobs in and out the site occasionally , has posted around 200 times with similar content with the same agenda , to discredit supporters who have not and will not watch their club torn to pieces .

[ABBEY]

Is Braddock is his previous name?

[Athlete]

Is Braddock is his previous name?

more like w@@zock

[Mullionvagrant]

So after Glens excellent post earlier (thanks Glen very much appreciated) here is a brief summary of articles concentrating on a key period in the history of the club, which has led to our current ownership. I feel it is useful to reflect on this period and look at some of the beliefs held in these articles and subsequent events which have unfolded. What is clear from the Telegraph article referenced is that there were doubts pre-purchase of the club re: suggested involvement of agencies which threatened to derail the purchase.

What is not covered by these articles or my summary below is why these doubts which the media felt worthy to comment on at the time were not followed through or investigated further or why the sale was allowed to go ahead by our then owners The Walker Trust.

Concerns voiced in the articles before the takeover went through (see below links) indicated doubts of the future positions of both manager and highly regarded chairman. We know they are now not employed at the club. I myself am not able or in a position to pass further comment on this.

Time to reflect:

During November 2004 in ‘When Saturday Comes’ Bruce Wilkinson described Blackburn Rovers as a “Spent Force” pointing to reports in the Daily Mirror that the owners of Blackburn Rovers could be willing to listen to offers for the club. At the time chief executive John Williams tried to play down the reports, he told the Lancashire Evening Telegraph that if a bidder was to come forward, the trust would be willing to listen to offers. http://www.wsc.co.uk/the-archive/30-Clubs/1916-spent-force

Fast-forward to Tuesday 10^th October 2010 and The Lancashire Telegraph and Andy Crier declared the ‘Blackburn Takeover nearly complete’. ‘Blackburn Rovers are hopeful Asian poultry giants Venky's will become the club’s new owners by the end of November’.

Until this announcement Rovers and John Williams had remained tight-lipped on the process. Venky’s as reported by the Lancashire Telegraph had not been the only group interested in the purchase of the club but were in fact ‘the third Indian group known to have shown an interest over the past few month, with Ahsan Ali Syed and Saurin Shah previously declaring their interest’. Indeed in the same article the Lancashire Telegraph also reported that Chairperson Anuradha J Desai, had said: “We expect to be the first Indian company to acquire a Premier League team and we are particularly delighted that the team is Blackburn Rovers, with whom we believe we have many shared values and ambitions.” The Lancashire Telegraph also wrote at the time that ‘It was also understood sports agency Kentaro could have formed a part of Venky's ownership of Rovers’, although this had not been confirmed by either party at the time. The article stated that ‘Worldwide agency Kentaro specialised in the acquisition and distribution of the international television rights of national football federations, football clubs and leagues and that It had a number of in-house agents who dealt in talent management and during the last year had sealed a corporate partnership deal with Jerome Anderson’s Sport Entertainment and Media Group’. The article also stated that SEM represented more than 150 professional footballers and clubs in Europe’s top leagues and has worked for top stars such as Rio Ferdinand, Thierry Henry and John Obi Mikel. It was thought according to the Lancashire Telegraph that Kentaro could have used the potential purchase as a way of introducing some of their top young foreign talent to the English game. The article stated that The Indian-based chicken industry leaders would be at the head of any takeover, but stated that the details of their future leadership were at the time of writing of the article yet to be disclosed. According to the Lancashire Telegraph Mr Ali Syed, who was favourite to buy the club back in August, had declined to comment on the situation.

http://www.lancashiretelegraph.co.uk/news/8474726.Blackburn_Rovers_takeover__almost_complete_/?action=complain&cid=8878239

On the 29^th October 2010 it was reported in the Telegraph that Sam Allardyce remained tight-lipped and refused to field questions as late doubts emerged concerning the club's proposed £46 million deal with Indian poultry giant Venky's. The article stated that it was understood that a number of issues had arisen which threatened to derail the prospective takeover by the Pune-based conglomerate. The article stated that Blackburn were believed to be increasingly concerned by what role both the international sports rights agency Kentaro and their partners, agents the Sport Entertainment and Media (SEM) Group, played in the bid. It stated

Kentaro specialised in the acquisition and distribution of the international television rights of national football federations, football clubs and leagues and was also responsible for organising a number of the Brazilian national team's friendly fixtures. The article stated that in 2009 Kentaro had agreed a corporate partnership deal with SEM, run by Jerome Anderson, who counted more than 150 players among their clients’. Their involvement – to whatever extent – according to the telegraph at the time of writing of the article raised fears that, despite initial suggestions to the contrary, both Allardyce's and chairman John Williams's positions might have come under review if a takeover went through. Venky's according to the article stopped short of offering reassurances that both would be retained, while Blackburn were reportedly surprised by the intimation during the week the article was written that they intended to assume a hands-on role at the club.

The reaction to Venky's possibly takeover among the club's fans at the time of writing according to the article had been hardly uniformly positive, with chairperson Anuradha Desai's admission that they would consider selling the naming rights to Ewood Park and her insistence that Blackburn did not need a significant cash injection to compete because of the ability to loan players both failing to endear the group to supporters.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/football/teams/blackburn-rovers/8097087/Sam-Allardyce-remaining-tight-lipped-over-Blackburn-Rovers-Indian-takeover.html

During December 29^th 2010 the Indian Express declared that The Venky Indian Poultry Firm stared at an over $ 5 million claim for allegedly backing out on a proposed joint agreement. The article goes on to say that Mumbai-based businessman Saurin Shah claimed that he has issued a legal notice to the firm over a proposed tie-up for the Blackburn Rovers bid between Venky's and his investment firm Qubic Group. The notice alleged that Venky's were liable for the equivalent of 24 per cent stake in the club. Shah's lawyers had written to Venky's parent company Venkateshwara Hatcheries on December 22 threatening legal action unless the payment was made within a week. Venky's was also bound to pay Qubic's costs and expenses for its advice, reference and recommendations, according to the legal notice Anuradha Desai, chairperson of the Venky's Group, according to the article had denied any sort of collaborative deal with Saurin Shah. Stating according to the article "Kentaro sports agency of Switzerland helped us throughout the way”.

http://archive.indianexpress.com/news/venky-s-stares-at---5-mn-claim-over-tieup/730561/

In attempting to summarise a number of published key articles from this period, I have tried to reference accordingly. The information and views provided are not my own and are those of the original authors e.g. Lancashire Telegraph, Telegraph or When Saturday Comes Home. If in summarising this material I have by accident mis-represented the information then please advise accordingly and it will be altered. It is my intension to represent the information as originally intended by the authors/papers (links have been provided to clarify this). The information is that believed to be true by the authors at the time of writing the referenced articles. These views may now have changed and this is why it is useful to reflect upon this period.