[Archived] Baroness Thatcher Dies

[adopted scouser]

Why are you so fascinated with events in this country ? You turned your back on this sceptred isle

[Tyrone Shoelaces]

He's got himself a holiday for a while. Wasn't even born when Thatcher was in power.

I was around then and I've got a long memory. She was the most disliked public figure I can remember in the this country. The comments on this board are evidence of that fact.

[SouthAussieRover]

Why are you so fascinated with events in this country ? You turned your back on this sceptred isle

Because I grew up under her rule Tory boy. I bet you miss being one of Maggies storm troopers?

[thenodrog]

I was around then and I've got a long memory. She was the most disliked public figure I can remember in the this country. The comments on this board are evidence of that fact.

Absolute @#/? @#/?! Margaret Thatcher won three General Elections on the bounce and lost none! Not only that but her Conservative party swept into power on the back of massive majorities each time. She may have divided opinion but by weight of numbers she was obviously much more liked than disliked. If it was your intention to appear stupid on here then you have succeeded admirably Tyrone. Well done.

Two things I've noticed about the embittered people being interviewed in the media about recent events.

1. Like you, Jim and Salgado (the provo sympathiser) re-writing history to suit a left wing agenda is becoming a common practice.

2. They are all scruffy, unkempt and in the main plug ugly. Must be like dog breeders who invariably grow to look like the dogs they breed.

[thenodrog]

I'm tempted to fly back next week to see her go in the ground.

Talks cheap. I'll put good money on the fact that you don't.

[pg]

My 2cents. Thatcher, like Reagan was a 'useful idiot'. She put the final nail in the coffin of a country that used to be the 'workshop of the world'.

I'm surprised no-one has yet mentioned her full support of apartheid South Africa and her complete disdain for Nelson Mandela, as well as her support of the Khmer Rouge.

Malcolm Fraser (former Australian PM) was on ABC radio yesterday talking about Thatcher's attitudes towards South Africa.

Fraser said that he relied on a CIA brief that the ANC and Mandela were 'nationalists' and not 'communists'. And the only reason they relied on the USSR for funding was that no-one in the West supported them.

Evidently Thatcher didn't quite see it that way, which is why she went all the way with Botha et al.

England is the land of the boffin and its quite an achievement for a small overcrowded wet island at the arse end of the world that they managed to change the face of the planet. But for cultural reasons (IMO related to their class system and the way their banking system developed) they never quite created a proper industrial state in the way the Germans and other European countries did (or Japan and China for that matter).

Thanks to vanguards such as Thatcher who led the campaign to replace Industrial Capitalism with Finance Capitalism in the Anglopshere, there is very little creation of anything in Britain. All manufacturing is done by the emerging countries. The working class English will have to survive working retail jobs, call centres or whatever job opportunities exist at the bottom of the so-called 'service economy'. I wonder how long until Tata finally pull up stumps on Jaguar Land Rover for example and shift the entire operation off shore.

But none of these problems were anything that Margaret Thatcher worried about. She read some interesting economic textbooks and adopted the dogma with religious zeal. A useful idiot for financial interests who never thought about the consequences of her policies.

[K-Hod]

I have never supported the Tories or Maggie Thatcher but those celebrating the death of another human being disgust me. You really need to look at yourselves.

+1

[Mike Graham]

"Ten Reasons To Despise Thatcher

1) The woman whose anti-Trade Union policies reduced the power of collectivism to zero, and who decimated the employment rights of working class people everywhere. As a result, employers were legally permitted to replace proper meaningful jobs and apprenticeships, and exploit workers on perverted government schemes, paying them just £25 pounds per week in the process. Right-wing, extremist social and economic policy, espoused by the likes of Friedrich Hayek & Milton Friedman was to become the order of the day, and at it’s peak, over 3.6 million people would be out of work and on the dole.

2) The woman who massively widened the already obscene gap between the rich and the poor, as her supporters in big business, the newly privatised utilities, and the arms and defence industries made billions. The rich got richer, the poor got poorer, and the word 'underclass' entered the public vocabulary for the first time. For millions of people, Thatcherism represented nothing more than crippling unemployment, homelessness, poverty, crime, drug abuse and hopelessness. For the elite Thatcherism represented an opportunity for the rich to get even richer by asset-stripping the country, as the orgy of greed that was Deregulation, was spun to look like something that the nation should be proud of, rather than the obscene, carpet-bagging, feeding frenzy that it actually was.

3) The woman who actively promoted selfishness, and disdain for those less able, with her infamous 'no such thing as society' mercenary attitude, and who almost worshipped greed and opportunism as virtues. On 23rd September 1987, she told journalist Douglas Keay: “People say ‘I am homeless, the Government must house me’, and so they are casting their problems onto society, and who is society ? There is no such thing ! There are individual men and women, and no government can do anything except through people. People must look to themselves first. It is our duty to look after ourselves”. Dog eat dog, survival of the fittest, sink or swim, and I'm alright Jack - the very essence of Thatcherism, and her cold-hearted, wicked, vindictive, self-serving policies. Despite having no mandate to govern in Scotland, where she was rejected at the ballot box three times; three times she returned her illegitimate administration to power. And for eleven and a half years, her despotic, vindictive and spiteful policies were imposed upon the working class peoples who openly and democratically rejected her. Hell hath no fury like a dictator scorned, and she was to exact an awful toll for such rejection. People who drew strength from their working communities, were to have those communities erased before their very eyes. The weeds would relentlessly grow, where for centuries there was working life.

4) The woman whose atrocious employment policies favoured those who kept her in power, at the expense of the working class people who actually generated the wealth. During her reign 250,000 people in Scotland lost their jobs as coal mines closed and industrial giants such as Ravenscraig Steel Plant were shut. A highly skilled industrial workforce, was annihilated at the stroke of a pen. Heavy industry, at the time was inefficient, heavily subsidised, and in need of modernisation. Instead of operating on the patient, Thatcher switched the life support system off. The subsidies could be used as tax breaks elsewhere, to reward those middle and upper classes, who kept her in power. Secure, full-time employment in manufacturing, engineering, and heavy industry was replaced with low paid casual, temporary contract work in the call centre, fast food, and service sectors. In the process, worker's rights were eroded to almost zero. An almost fanatical anti-Europeanism ensured that it would be many, many more years before Britain entered parity with the rest of the European Union on worker's rights and minimum wage levels. In many cases, parity is still a long way off.

5) The woman who led a campaign demanding that General Augusto Pinochet be set free, after he was detained in the UK under an international arrest warrant from Spain, who were seeking his extradition to face charges of war crimes. The vile dictator, was directly responsible for the deaths of tens of thousands of workers, socialists and other political opponents; presided over mass executions, torture and rape; and was openly described by his evil admirer, as 'a bastion of democracy' and the man ‘who brought democracy to Chile’.

6) The woman who called mass-murdering dictator Suharto 'one of our very best and most valuable friends'. Suharto, with the full backing of obscene capitalists like Thatcher, waded to power through rivers of blood, as more than a million people were slaughtered and the whole population was held in fear of their lives for over 30 years. In the genocide that decimated East Timor, Suharto's gestapo, known as Kopassus, gunned down innocent men, women, and children with British-supplied Heckler & Koch machine guns, fired from British-supplied Tactica 'riot control' vehicles and received military training in counter-terrorism techniques from the British SAS. Such were the levels of premeditated violence meted out by the Kopassus in East Timor, the elite Special Air Service Regiment of the Australian special forces ceased training with them.

7) The woman who ruthlessly and brutally ordered the sinking of the General Belgrano, to undermine impending peace talks and enter the Falklands War, to boost her flagging ratings at home. After being tracked for nearly 36 hours by the British nuclear submarine HMS Conqueror, the Belgrano was was sunk by three torpedoes on May 2nd, 1982, despite being well outside a 200-mile exclusion zone, and heading in the opposite direction from the Falklands. Nothing short of wanton pre-meditated mass murder, in order to facilitate a political goal, and cynically attempt to regenerate flagging ratings. War is VERY good for business, and Thatcher viciously and ruthlessly capitalised on this premise. If a few thousand Argentinian men need be needlessly slaughtered in the process, then so be it. The working classes did have some uses though, and to sustain her war for ratings, 258 British soldiers were sacrificed as cannon fodder. Sueing the British Government at the European Court of Human Rights in Strasbourg in July 2000, human rights lawyer Teresa Moya Dominguez, representing the families of the 323 murdered sailors, stated : "It is now the right moment in history for this. What we want fundamentally, is for the sinking of the General Belgrano to be recognized as a war crime."

8) The woman who allowed ten young men to starve themselves to death, by refusing to acknowledge the fact that they were imprisoned for their political beliefs, and for actions related to the political situation in Ireland. By trying to have them classed as common criminals - a tag no political prisoner has ever worn - she signed their death warrants. She did so freely, maliciously, willingly, and without afterthought, despite there being numerous opportunities to resolve the situation by alternative means. Before their lingering and painful deaths, for over four years the hunger-strikers were systematically, routinely and repeatedly brutalised, beaten, tortured, molested, and abused by hired sectarian thugs, who as agents of the British state security apparatus in Ireland, positively revelled in their role as Thatcher’s paid frontline thugs.

9) The woman who routinely used state-sponsored terrorism to assassinate Republican activists in Ireland (and other soveriegn territory), and who unilaterally acted as judge, jury, and executioner by covertly re-introducing the death penalty for those who dared to oppose British imperialism on Irish soil. The mere trivialities of due process were discarded, the law was circumvented, the military was used to police the nation, and summary execution was proscribed for anyone suspected of being a Republican. Events in the Grand Hotel, Brighton, in the early hours of the 12th October 1984, were to demonstrate to Thatcher, just how deep resentment towards her in Ireland ran. She would subsequently require protection from armed guards, 24 hours a day, 365 days a year, for the rest of her wretched life.

10) Despite not wishing to blame the parent for the sins of the child - her @#/? reprobate offspring. Mark Thatcher, a human scum-bucket arms dealer, who used his mother’s insidious connections to line his pockets, and who also financed a failed coup de tat in Equatoreal Guinea. Along with British upper class mercenaries Simon Mann and Nick Du Toit, Thatcher attempted to overthrow President Mbasogo, intent on seizing the country's vast natural oil and gas reserves. If successful, the coup would have installed opposition leader Severo Moto as the new President, in return for preferential oil rights to corporations affiliated to those involved with the coup. Greed, corruption and the conquest of power - the very ethos of the wicked old @#/?, whose demise the world should raise a glass to. And that’s before we get onto her pontificating obnoxious @#/? of a daughter.

Hate is not an emotion I generally subscibe to, due to it's internicine destructiveness, but I can honestly and quite easily say that I hate, and have all of my thinking life, hated the vile entity that is and was Margaret Thatcher, with every single fibre of my being. She is singularly, the most hated person, I have ever expressed that particular emotion for, in my entire living memory, and most likely ever will be. Let us pray to God, we never see her likes again. Nov 28th 1990 was a joyous day for many, as the tear-faced old witch was stabbed in the back by her own kind, and she rode out of Downing St for the last time. Eleven and a half years of despotism were at an end. The Tories weren’t out – but at least old b*stardface was.

F**k You Thatcher. I genuinely hope you rot in Hell."

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Margaret Thatcher's last wish was to be cremated.

Unfortunately we've got no coal left.

brilliant.

Stick her on a raft, set fire to her, and float her down the River mersey. If it is good enough for the Indians it is good enough for her.

[M-K]

Despite having no mandate to govern in Scotland

I'm pretty sure that as British prime minister, like it or not, she did have a mandate to govern those methadone-swilling ginger dole-bludgers.

[adopted scouser]

Because I grew up under her rule Tory boy. I bet you miss being one of Maggies storm troopers?

[jim mk2]

brilliant.

Stick her on a raft, set fire to her, and float her down the River mersey. If it is good enough for the Indians it is good enough for her.

Wouldn't have expressed it like that myself but agree with the sentiment.

I see Degsy has been saying the funeral is a waste of public money. Most people would be surprised it hasn't been privatised.

[Tyrone Shoelaces]

Absolute @#/? @#/?! Margaret Thatcher won three General Elections on the bounce and lost none! Not only that but her Conservative party swept into power on the back of massive majorities each time. She may have divided opinion but by weight of numbers she was obviously much more liked than disliked. If it was your intention to appear stupid on here then you have succeeded admirably Tyrone. Well done.

Two things I've noticed about the embittered people being interviewed in the media about recent events.

1. Like you, Jim and Salgado (the provo sympathiser) re-writing history to suit a left wing agenda is becoming a common practice.

2. They are all scruffy, unkempt and in the main plug ugly. Must be like dog breeders who invariably grow to look like the dogs they breed.

I can't remember how many former Prime Minister's from either party have died in my life time but none of them have received any thing other than a dignified send off. Even Churchill who'd made plenty of political enemies in his lifetime received very little if any criticism at the time of his death. Most people we're prepared to let sleeping dogs lie.

Mrs Thatcher was in a class of her own. She'd done so much damage she will never be forgiven in the areas of the country that aren't populated by greedy, selfish @#/?s who were only concerned with self aggrandisement.

As for me being scruffy. You're a mile out. I'm very fussy about my appearance. I still wear a well cut suit, continental shirt

and one of my collection of about 50 silk ties along with very nice Italian shoes. You can be a radical and have nice things in life.

[ABBEY]

8-10 million for a funeral? WTF is that all about. Imagine what that money could go to. Take her to a mining town and let them sort her body out ,i bet it would be done a lot cheaper.

[Paul]

Absolute @#/? @#/?! Margaret Thatcher won three General Elections on the bounce and lost none! Not only that but her Conservative party swept into power on the back of massive majorities each time. She may have divided opinion but by weight of numbers she was obviously much more liked than disliked. If it was your intention to appear stupid on here then you have succeeded admirably Tyrone. Well done.

Two things I've noticed about the embittered people being interviewed in the media about recent events.

1. Like you, Jim and Salgado (the provo sympathiser) re-writing history to suit a left wing agenda is becoming a common practice.

2. They are all scruffy, unkempt and in the main plug ugly. Must be like dog breeders who invariably grow to look like the dogs they breed.

Gordon I think the weight of numbers thing is in fact the other way round:

1979

Cons 43.9% of vote - votes cast 13.6m

Lab/Lib 50.7% of vote - 15.8m

1983

Cons 42.4% - 13m (down on 79)

Lab/Lib 53% - 16.3m (up on 79)

1987

Cons 42% - 13.7m (up on 83)

Lab/Lib 51.2% - 17.4 (up on 83)

So as we can see far from weight of number demonstrating her popularity the numbers voting against her party increased on each occassion

[jim mk2]

My 2cents.

England is the land of the boffin and its quite an achievement for a small overcrowded wet island at the arse end of the world that they managed to change the face of the planet. .

Arse end of the world coming from someone who lives in Australia ? Those Ashes defeats really hurt don't they

It's two penn'uth by the way.

Absolute @#/? @#/?! Margaret Thatcher won three General Elections on the bounce and lost none! Not only that but her Conservative party swept into power on the back of massive majorities each time. She may have divided opinion but by weight of numbers she was obviously much more liked than disliked. If it was your intention to appear stupid on here then you have succeeded admirably Tyrone. Well done.

Two things I've noticed about the embittered people being interviewed in the media about recent events.

1. Like you, Jim and Salgado (the provo sympathiser) re-writing history to suit a left wing agenda is becoming a common practice.

2. They are all scruffy, unkempt and in the main plug ugly. Must be like dog breeders who invariably grow to look like the dogs they breed.

Dear oh dear. Is that the best you you can do ?

Here we have a Lancastrian who votes Tory, proving that turkeys have voted for Christmas.

[jim mk2]

I can't remember how many former Prime Minister's from either party have died in my life time but none of them have received any thing other than a dignified send off. Even Churchill who'd made plenty of political enemies in his lifetime received very little if any criticism at the time of his death. Most people we're prepared to let sleeping dogs lie.

Mrs Thatcher was in a class of her own. She'd done so much damage she will never be forgiven in the areas of the country that aren't populated by greedy, selfish @#/?s who were only concerned with self aggrandisement.

As for me being scruffy. You're a mile out. I'm very fussy about my appearance. I still wear a well cut suit, continental shirt

and one of my collection of about 50 silk ties along with very nice Italian shoes. You can be a radical and have nice things in life.

Careful Tyrone. He'll use his standard line and call you a champagne socialist next.

FYI theo is 4ft 11in and has red hair so I doubt he is Blackburn's Adonis.

[SouthAussieRover]

Talks cheap. I'll put good money on the fact that you don't.

Your thoughts are meaningless to me.

[Tyrone Shoelaces]

Gordon I think the weight of numbers thing is in fact the other way round:

1979

Cons 43.9% of vote - votes cast 13.6m

Lab/Lib 50.7% of vote - 15.8m

1983

Cons 42.4% - 13m (down on 79)

Lab/Lib 53% - 16.3m (up on 79)

1987

Cons 42% - 13.7m (up on 83)

Lab/Lib 51.2% - 17.4 (up on 83)

So as we can see far from weight of number demonstrating her popularity the numbers voting against her party increased on each occassion

I think she also ensured that the mere mention of " Thatcherism " was enough to prevent the Tories from replacing a Labour Government that had completely lost it's way. Thanks for that Iron Lady.

[Rover_Shaun]

And she also put this country back on its feet, keaned the Argies and in general made the world take note of GREAT BRITAIN.

Whatever your thoughts, not one single person who has been in power since has had the balls or temerity to run this country the way she did instead we have nothing but elected @#/? idiots ruining on a day to day basis.

Thatcher or Blair, Kinnock, Brown, Smith or Milliband ?

Mrs T wins hands down each and every time.

How pure scum like Adams can come out and slate her is beyond belief the murdering Irish scrote. You may mock her but of the country had leadership like her we wouldnt be in half the mess we find ourselves in because of Labour scumbags and Tory incompetents.

Shows how thick the miners really were when they trusted Old Arty Scargill management and leadership ! They followed a born loser and lost.

Kinnock the pillock showed his skills by continually losing out to her.

Not one Labour contender can walk in her shadow, FACT.

You missed out the current crop of tory toffs. Not a brain cell amongst them. Plenty of silver spoons though

[Salgado Is A Hero]

What an emittered person you are to come out in support of the unelected Argentinian Military Junta led by this charmer http://www.historylearningsite.co.uk/general_galtieri.htm and the Provisional IRA led by the murderers Adams and McGuiness. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Provisional_Irish_Republican_Army_campaign_1969%E2%80%931997 . Note that Galtieri murdered his political opponents, banned Trade Unions and used the Falklands invasion to increase his political popularity, which is a charge that you have levelled at Margaret Thatcher.

The IRA hunger strikers chose to die in prison but do you never ask why they were there? Firearms offences by Sands and Hughes was an IRA gunman and bomber. Whether they were classed as political prisoners or simple criminals was irrelevent to the dead victims of their organisation. When they croaked they did society one huge favour.

You have maliciously skewed historical facts to suit your own agenda. Just as an aside Salgado what do you think of England and the English?

Sorry, I should have made this clearer. I was quoting that post from elsewhere, I had thought the quote marks would be enough but evidently people didn't notice them.

What do I think of the English? They believe their national football team is much better than it is. Apart from that they're all sound. Well apart from the few that every country has. Although I would say I probably prefer the north to the south.

My 2cents. Thatcher, like Reagan was a 'useful idiot'. She put the final nail in the coffin of a country that used to be the 'workshop of the world'.

I'm surprised no-one has yet mentioned her full support of apartheid South Africa and her complete disdain for Nelson Mandela, as well as her support of the Khmer Rouge.

Malcolm Fraser (former Australian PM) was on ABC radio yesterday talking about Thatcher's attitudes towards South Africa.

Fraser said that he relied on a CIA brief that the ANC and Mandela were 'nationalists' and not 'communists'. And the only reason they relied on the USSR for funding was that no-one in the West supported them.

Evidently Thatcher didn't quite see it that way, which is why she went all the way with Botha et al.

England is the land of the boffin and its quite an achievement for a small overcrowded wet island at the arse end of the world that they managed to change the face of the planet. But for cultural reasons (IMO related to their class system and the way their banking system developed) they never quite created a proper industrial state in the way the Germans and other European countries did (or Japan and China for that matter).

Thanks to vanguards such as Thatcher who led the campaign to replace Industrial Capitalism with Finance Capitalism in the Anglopshere, there is very little creation of anything in Britain. All manufacturing is done by the emerging countries. The working class English will have to survive working retail jobs, call centres or whatever job opportunities exist at the bottom of the so-called 'service economy'. I wonder how long until Tata finally pull up stumps on Jaguar Land Rover for example and shift the entire operation off shore.

But none of these problems were anything that Margaret Thatcher worried about. She read some interesting economic textbooks and adopted the dogma with religious zeal. A useful idiot for financial interests who never thought about the consequences of her policies.

1 - There's too many things to mention.

2 - Britain.

[Guest Norbert]

I find it odd that she's going to get a big military funeral. Someone like Churchill I can understand, seeing as it was World War 2, but Thatcher? No doubting she was an iconic, society changing, strong leader but I cannot see why there needs to be such a big funeral. And does this mean Blair will get a similar funeral when he goes, seeing as he got involved in more wars, and lasted a similar length of time?

[Mike E]

I find it odd that she's going to get a big military funeral. Someone like Churchill I can understand, seeing as it was World War 2, but Thatcher? No doubting she was an iconic, society changing, strong leader but I cannot see why there needs to be such a big funeral. And does this mean Blair will get a similar funeral when he goes, seeing as he got involved in more wars, and lasted a similar length of time?

I suspect it's due to the fact she won the Falklands War and allowed a group of people to remain British (as they wished to). I'd expect the same response from the US if anyone tried to take Hawaii or Guam.

You missed out the current crop of tory toffs. Not a brain cell amongst them. Plenty of silver spoons though

New Labour appear to be full of Tories too. Barely a working class person among them! The working man has very little hope in politics.

[Stuart]

I'll be honest Salgado, I thought that was your post. I'm not nearly so impressed now - and still don't agree with large parts of it.

[Gav]

You missed out the current crop of tory toffs. Not a brain cell amongst them. Plenty of silver spoons though

Same with the Labour party these days, all career politicians who in reality don't give a flying kean about us.

It really doesn’t matter who you vote for these days, the Tory’s will get ousted at the next general election and spend the final 12 months keaning things up for the labour administration, and then repeat 4yrs later under Labour, its disgusting how they use public money for points scoring against the opposition.

I’d much rather have a dictatorship with Abbey running things, at least we’d all know where we’d stand, no lies just straight talking and the odd execution (Agnew and Kean)

[K-Hod]

Same with the Labour party these days, all career politicians who in reality don't give a flying kean about us.

It really doesn’t matter who you vote for these days, the Tory’s will get ousted at the next general election and spend the final 12 months keaning things up for the labour administration, and then repeat 4yrs later under Labour, its disgusting how they use public money for points scoring against the opposition.

I’d much rather have a dictatorship with Abbey running things, at least we’d all know where we’d stand, no lies just straight talking and the odd execution (Agnew and Kean)

Exactly.

The fact that there's even talk of holding a minute's silence at the football for someone who wanted all football fans to carry ID cards is breathtaking.

Granted, I'm only 28 so a little young to recall all things that went on in the Thatcher reign, but video footage of the poll tax riots is something that I can't ever forget.