[Archived] Turning a blind eye

[Mike E]

Except that all the comparisons and analogies are miles apart in terms of numbers. The problem is individuals, or groups of inviduals, in a huge community. Just like the white sexual predators (and the people that covered up the abuse) that keep being revealed in the papers have nothing to do with white British community as a whole.

The percentage of offenders in the population will be nowhere near the percentage figures of crime in bad areas, or students with STDs. We're talking fractions of a percent compared to probable double-figure percentages. The field analogy would have to be the odd daisy popping up in one of the fields, not whole sections of it being affected by something.

I'm not sure that's entirely true. It's been admitted that they fail to integrate into British culture and society, creating divisions in communities. But it's such a huge number of people that you can't cast many generalisations. Would you say all Catholics are paedophiles?

Yes, all the time

[broadsword]

http://www.independent.co.uk/voices/comment/how-could-so-many-years-of-horrendous-abuse-go-unnoticed-in-this-case-the-guilt-extends-way-beyond-oxford-sex-traffickers-8617339.html

"One school worker testified that nine out of 10 social workers were
aware that Oxfordshire girls were being groomed by a group of Asian men."

Now that's just unbelievable. Well, perhaps in a way it's not, I mean I've always thought that care homes were just dumping grounds. But to have it there in black and white is absolutely puke-making.

[Steve Kean's Hypnotoad]

Would you say all Catholics are paedophiles?

Thats not a valid analogy. Catholic priests were the ones committing offences, not its the congregation. That problem is also limited to an issue of employees of the church comitting offences towards volunteers who work for them, thats a more limited and easy group to target. And, speaking as a Catholic, I strongly hope and expect they are being targeted. Certainly public criticism of the issue has been widespread and ferocious and that is usually the driving force for sorting out such a problem.

In the case of Muslims, it is the congregation, and its a congregation from all walks of life, of all standings within their religion, and committed specifically against people outside of their religion. So there's no limit to the locations this has the potential to happen in and no limit within the Muslim religion (apart from gender) to who is likely to committ the crimes. So by necessity the policies to combat the problem need to be more broad and more generalisation is unavoidable.

And for the record, public criticism of the problem among Mulsims has been nowhere near as forthright or enthusiastic as it was of Catholic priests, for the exact reason that is the heart of this issue. People are afraid of criticising Muslims for fear of being branded racist, a fear that is non-existent for any other religion, or indeed any other grouping in society.

Getting a bit carried away with the edits here, but just thought of an example, have you seen the "Catholic Boat" sketch on Southpark? Pretty damn funny but also potentially quite offensive, accepted by 99% of Catholics as fairly harmless comedic political satire. Well can you imagine the consequences if the writers had written an identical sketch about Muslims? In all likelihood they'd have been roundly vilified by people like yourself, branded reckless by politicians, and targeted for assassination by Muslim extremists. Thats the difference between criticising Muslims and criticising anyone else..

[Steve Moss]

Getting a bit carried away with the edits here, but just thought of an example, have you seen the "Catholic Boat" sketch on Southpark? Pretty damn funny but also potentially quite offensive, accepted by 99% of Catholics as fairly harmless comedic political satire. Well can you imagine the consequences if the writers had written an identical sketch about Muslims? In all likelihood they'd have been roundly vilified by people like yourself, branded reckless by politicians, and targeted for assassination by Muslim extremists. Thats the difference between criticising Muslims and criticising anyone else..

+1

[dave birch]

Getting a bit carried away with the edits here, but just thought of an example, have you seen the "Catholic Boat" sketch on Southpark? Pretty damn funny but also potentially quite offensive, accepted by 99% of Catholics as fairly harmless comedic political satire. Well can you imagine the consequences if the writers had written an identical sketch about Muslims? In all likelihood they'd have been roundly vilified by people like yourself, branded reckless by politicians, and targeted for assassination by Muslim extremists. Thats the difference between criticising Muslims and criticising anyone else..

Haven't you considered that's what they did, and changed it to Catholics, when they thought of the possible consequences.

Your point though is most valid.

[colin]

Looks like we are off on yet another topic started (or taken over) by Thenodrog and his obsession with Islam/ Muslims.

Anyone want to talk about cheese?

[gumboots]

Most of my year 10 French group who seem to find that word the height of hilarity

[thenodrog]

There's 3x as many posts in the Saville celeb paedo/sicko thread. Why not apply your feeble wit to that Colin.

btw ..... Cheese and Bell End! Anybody see a connection?

[colin]

There's 3x as many posts in the Saville celeb paedo/sicko thread. Why not apply your feeble wit to that Colin.

btw ..... Cheese and Bell End! Anybody see a connection?

Thanks for not being able to reply in any rational way.