[Archived] possible transfer targets summer 2013

[JBiz]

We had about 10 free lance scouts around the world couple of years ago, none of them will do anything for the club again after the club shat on the lot of them and told them they weren't needed as the club was going down "a different route".

Still avoiding the question. Rovers hired Ray Clarke this time last year, as Head scout. Is he still there?

[McClarky]

Whats the difference in "the odds of success" between GB and say... Owen Coyle at Wigan?

Vast I would think. Wigan are a well run club with good players who should be red hot favourites to go up and have a manager who has a decent track record at this level. We on the other hand are not any of these things.

[JBiz]

Vast I would think. Wigan are a well run club with good players who should be red hot favourites to go up and have a manager who has a decent track record at this level. We on the other hand are not any of these things.

They also have a manager who managed to relegate a team set up similar to Wigan after jumping ship from a team promoted. He then managed to get sacked from his championship club after a very poor start.

He may have history of performing, but he also has a history of failure. Which is case and point - every manager is a risk, regardless of their pedigree.

[Sandiway Blue]

Comparing the Charlatan Steve Kean to GB is tantamount to blue and white treason. Gary may have the odds stacked against him, but he knows the players, club and fans - if he can keep up some of the results from last season with a bit more consistency - we could be a suprise.

Whats the difference in "the odds of success" between GB and say... Owen Coyle at Wigan?

I was making the point that Kean wasn't experienced and look at the amount of time he got.Knowing the "players,club and fans" isn't going to win games,Good tactics and a shrewd eye for a bargain in the transfer market will.I for one am not convinced Gary Bowyer is capable of either (as much as I would love to be proved wrong).

Regardless of the last few months whereby things may have looked to have improved (mainly due to shebby being gagged for whatever reason!),we still have the most inept set of owners ever to grace the English game who are incapable of making any sort of sensible decision.Appointing an experienced manager over GB would have been one of those sensible decisions.

[Mike E]

Vast I would think. Wigan are a well run club with good players who should be red hot favourites to go up and have a manager who has a decent track record at this level. We on the other hand are not any of these things.

More games in Championship plus a Europa place. Playoff place maybe, but imo just as easily relegation candidates.

[Gally]

More games in Championship plus a Europa place. Playoff place maybe, but imo just as easily relegation candidates.

Huge turnover of players too.

I'd be worried if they managed to keep hold of McCarthy, but they'll have many of the same question marks over them that we had last year.

[EWOODACE1]

A lot of people seem to be optimistic or fearfull of this coming season. I can only say I'm curious as I will be seeing players I've never seen or noticed before. Out weak link still seems to be in the centre and if we get that sorted then who knows. A good team is sometimes better in this league than having a handful of good players. Teamwork is essential. On the other hand these players may not gel and it will be same as last season.

I can't write this team off or back them because I have never seen most of our signings kick a ball. I'm sure most here are the same but they've already pre judged these players.

Most on here as well as me thought Danny murphy would run every game and he turned out to be hated. This league doesn't need flair. It needs a team

[OJRovers]

A lot of people seem to be optimistic or fearfull of this coming season. I can only say I'm curious as I will be seeing players I've never seen or noticed before. Out weak link still seems to be in the centre and if we get that sorted then who knows. A good team is sometimes better in this league than having a handful of good players. Teamwork is essential. On the other hand these players may not gel and it will be same as last season.

I can't write this team off or back them because I have never seen most of our signings kick a ball. I'm sure most here are the same but they've already pre judged these players.

Most on here as well as me thought Danny murphy would run every game and he turned out to be hated. This league doesn't need flair. It needs a team

Agreed - I'm cautiousy optimistic in GB. I think he potentially could create the team spirit we need to go up. I think as a group of players we have enough quality to reach the play-offs (look at Hull's squad last year), but the teamwork and commitment is key. Any more behind-the-scenes antics and we've got no chance.

[JAL]

We had about 10 free lance scouts around the world couple of years ago, none of them will do anything for the club again after the club shat on the lot of them and told them they weren't needed as the club was going down "a different route".

Thank you Makey11.

[unleaded]

Lets all play scouting the Blackburn scouts...

[Amo]

Wasn't Tony Parkes supposed to be scouting here? Or did I imagine that?

[JAL]

Wasn't Tony Parkes supposed to be scouting here? Or did I imagine that?

Relieved of his services shortly after Venkys arrived at the club.

[roverslee]

http://www1.skysports.com/football/news/11676/8835651/

now being reported as just a trail, you think they might invite the Belgium player over as well

[JBiz]

I was making the point that Kean wasn't experienced and look at the amount of time he got.Knowing the "players,club and fans" isn't going to win games,Good tactics and a shrewd eye for a bargain in the transfer market will.I for one am not convinced Gary Bowyer is capable of either (as much as I would love to be proved wrong).

Regardless of the last few months whereby things may have looked to have improved (mainly due to shebby being gagged for whatever reason!),we still have the most inept set of owners ever to grace the English game who are incapable of making any sort of sensible decision.Appointing an experienced manager over GB would have been one of those sensible decisions.

In terms of management - name 1 sensible decision Venkys have made in the past 3 years?

Answer = None.

So why even consider that they could make such a "sensible decision"

I am not saying we should be singing the praises of the owners or suggesting the current direction is perfect but it is certainly a million times better at the moment, to anything it has been under the Rao Regime. If you cannot see that, and all you can think about is Mrs Desai spending money on an experience manager - think again. You will be moaning for the rest of their tenure.

[Veevs]

A question of curiosity that is bugging me this summer.. who is left at the club in terms of senior management? Karen Silk is working down her notice period, Agnew has gone, Shebby has gone.. not that they did much but does that mean we just have the shelf salesman who admits to costing us two million in regards to Berg and Silvester left?

No wonder we can't get the players we want nor rid ourselves of those we don't.

Oh and didn't see anyone post anything but Jack O'Connell has now left on loan six months Rochdale.

[onlyonejackwalker]

A question of curiosity that is bugging me this summer.. who is left at the club in terms of senior management? Karen Silk is working down her notice period, Agnew has gone, Shebby has gone.. not that they did much but does that mean we just have the shelf salesman who admits to costing us two million in regards to Berg and Silvester left?

No wonder we can't get the players we want nor rid ourselves of those we don't.

Oh and didn't see anyone post anything but Jack O'Connell has now left on loan six months Rochdale.

How long is Karen Silk's notice period? It's seemingly been around 6 months already! The vulgar shelf-saleman seems to be in pole position, but he is seriously clueless and I would imagine has been marginalised. Maybe GB is reporting direct to the owners and has an element of control, hence the degree of common sense we have seen of late.

[West Yorks Rover]

How long is Karen Silk's notice period? It's seemingly been around 6 months already! The vulgar shelf-saleman seems to be in pole position, but he is seriously clueless and I would imagine has been marginalised. Maybe GB is reporting direct to the owners and has an element of control, hence the degree of common sense we have seen of late.

Does'nt look like Karen Silk is leaving to me, maybe she will be announced as the new CEO or some other title soon,

[Leonard Venkhater]

How long is Karen Silk's notice period? It's seemingly been around 6 months already! The vulgar shelf-saleman seems to be in pole position, but he is seriously clueless and I would imagine has been marginalised. Maybe GB is reporting direct to the owners and has an element of control, hence the degree of common sense we have seen of late.

Love the term, vulgar shelf-sale man. I think it will catch on... like "Shagnew"..Shebby Minge, Voldemort

It really feels like a phoney war. I am worried bombs will drop, but I don't know where or when. It feels more uneasy than calm because so much is unknown. Who is running the show etc? No announcements about S.S.,Karen Silk's long goodbye etc

Some OK transfer business but nothing to shout about. Much of the cancer remains. Some has been visibly removed...still more surgery required.Maybe the surgery is happening in secret and it will free up more funds. All will be revealed in the next few weeks.

In reality, doing our pre season preparation quietly with no fanfare is the proper way to go about things. It is just that it is coming on top of 2 years of corruption and buffoonery, so we don't know how to respond..

[bluebruce]

that's a lot of writing and I'm not really sure what the point your trying to make is or who its aimed at to be honest(a lot of it just seems pretty condescending and stating the obvious)

Well, I certainly didn't mean to make it sound condescending, and I don't think it did. Nobody else seems to think so. If you mean because it was stating the obvious, as you say, well you'd be surprised how people miss the obvious...in fact the whole point I was trying to make was just that, if you'd read what I said at the beginning. I was pointing out things that are obvious yet are perpetually overlooked, resulting in inane discussions. That's all. Sorry it seems to have offended you somehow.

[mode_m]

With the league starting in a few weeks and Rovers looking to make a push back into the PL (so they have told the media anyway) am I the only one thinking the team is not good enough? Not being linked to any players can mean either the deals are being kept very secretive or there are actually no deals and the team is not all that different from last season, where the race was not for promotion to the PL but rather to prevent relegation from the Championship.

[tomphil]

With the league starting in a few weeks and Rovers looking to make a push back into the PL (so they have told the media anyway) am I the only one thinking the team is not good enough? Not being linked to any players can mean either the deals are being kept very secretive or there are actually no deals and the team is not all that different from last season, where the race was not for promotion to the PL but rather to prevent relegation from the Championship.

Your right it isn't good enough and unless GB can get them overperforming and punching above their weight like some sides do then it's got mid table written all over it. An improvement on last season of course and the squad is still big and quite strong now but there is almost zero quality or flare but maybe a few wins and a building of confidence can overcome that. Thing is a difficult start and heads will be down again. In any case Venkys will probably panic a few months in, Shabby will appear and the stupidity will start again.

[rovers11]

With the league starting in a few weeks and Rovers looking to make a push back into the PL (so they have told the media anyway) am I the only one thinking the team is not good enough? Not being linked to any players can mean either the deals are being kept very secretive or there are actually no deals and the team is not all that different from last season, where the race was not for promotion to the PL but rather to prevent relegation from the Championship.

I didn't think the Palace and Hull teams were good enough last year! This division is a bit of a lottery so who knows.

Think there are better teams on paper than us.

[Blue blood]

I didn't think the Palace and Hull teams were good enough last year! This division is a bit of a lottery so who knows.

Think there are better teams on paper than us.

Spot on. Agree with those saying we don't look good enough to go up, but then the Hull and Palace teams were weak and got promoted. This shows that with the right attitude and some clever tactics utilizing limited players to the best of their ability, a push for a promotion is feasible.

The big question is can Bowyer do it? He certainly can't rely on player quality so much (bar Rochina and Rhodes, a rather exciting front line assuming they both stay.) But with the right motivation and tactics we could be in with a shout of play offs. Hull and Palace were no great shakes, the teams coming down don't look all that good, it's certainly up for grabs this year.

[beanie]

If you can build a solid base around the goals of Rhodes you would be in with a shout. Also if we can improve the fitness and stop conceding so many late goals it would be a huge help.

[chaddyrovers]

im expecting a bottom half finish with bowyer gone by Christmas and some of you saying he should be given a full season just because he 'loves the club', we cant base bowyer credentials as the chosen one on a few decent results and some bad ones, I still think this appointment is a poor, cheap one and will come back to bite rovers on the arse. Also taking into account some mediocre signings,

I think Bowyer will get us into the top half and challenging for promotion this season

Bowyer need to be given the season and judge at the end of the season not after 10 games. we cant keep sacking managers, Last season with 5 different managers was a complete joke and we never going to go up last season with Shebby/Shaw and Agnew in fighting aswell.

we need to give Bowyer 2 years to get us up. Taylor, Kilgallon and DJ are proved at this level so don't get how these are mediocre signings. Judge was one of the best players in league 1 so lets see how he does this season at this level. You also need to take into consideration that we need cut the wage bill and balance the books.

we do need ball winning midfielder like Spearing or Leadbitter would be good signing. lets see who Bowyer brings in and lets go.

I have already covered this but I would have gone for Kenny jackett.

decent choice Roverandout.

Just watch that video Al. If you want another sideways, backwards player that plays in triangles type of player then fine, it aint for me and suspect many more of the missing thousands.

Give me something positive Al.

Have you ever seen the player play live or watch him on TV??? if not, then how do you know how good he is? never really take notice of YouTube videos

Also Jal, name me some players you would sign and how much would they cost and whether we can sign them with the FFP rules coming in?

Like all of us you are entitled to your opinion. Bowyer may well be a cheap or at least the cheapish option available to the club. But when money is tight and wage bill needs trimming as fast as can. The cheap option has to be the best option. As things stand at the moment, going out a splashing the cash on managers, players are gone.

Twice Bowyer came in and stablised the ship, so as a cheap option, he deserves a crack at the job. I think Rovers will have a better season than last season. I do not think we will be fighting a relegation battle. The reality is that the championship is a very unpredictable league - I think Rovers will be ok.

Bowyer is the right manager for us at the minute cos he knows the club and would know which players we need in and which ones he wanted rid off when he was appointed as permanent manager. we have to balance the finances will new FFP rules coming in this season so of course funds are tight and wage bill needs trimming for defo. If the owners wanted to put money in they can't sadly. not massively in favour of the FFP rules but understand why they have come in

I don't hear anybody saying that GB should be getting a full season?

He has the job on merit. If it goes tits up and we start sliding he won't be given the time an experienced manager would get so I would expect him to be replaced.

If he does well - mid table towards promotion, then I would expect him to be offered another contract. Which would be fair.

I think all Rovers fans should want GB to succeed.

I honestly think we need to allow Bowyer the full season and judge him at the end of the season. Just to clarify that Bowyer has a rolling 12 months contract which means each day he has 12 months left on his deal. so come the summer Bowyer will still have 12 months left on his contract.

http://www1.skysports.com/football/news/11676/8835651/

now being reported as just a trail, you think they might invite the Belgium player over as well

Nothing wrong in asking the player to come over for a trial. don't see what the problem. Hughes did this and we got 2 very good players in Samba and Nelsen and Mokenna who was decent player for us.

Does'nt look like Karen Silk is leaving to me, maybe she will be announced as the new CEO or some other title soon,

Still at least got 3 months notice to work at least. But we do need a new CEO in after the transfer window is over and to replace Shaw

With the league starting in a few weeks and Rovers looking to make a push back into the PL (so they have told the media anyway) am I the only one thinking the team is not good enough? Not being linked to any players can mean either the deals are being kept very secretive or there are actually no deals and the team is not all that different from last season, where the race was not for promotion to the PL but rather to prevent relegation from the Championship.

Championship teams don't get a lot of coverage in national press like SSN and Newspapers.

I think Bowyer is looking for players but keeping things private and not going public like a certain former manager who name I cant type on here did with the new Rooney and Irwin we have signed under him