[Archived] Jordan Rhodes

[chaddyrovers]

Bowyer says Rhodes that hes happy to remain at Rovers and Bowyer has told the LT this and hes not for sale!!!

[yoda's brother]

Rhodes has told today's LT that hes happy to remain at Rovers

lets hope he doesnt read this topic then as most of the posters on here have sold him off already.

[Mercer]

Bowyer says Rhodes that hes happy to remain at Rovers and Bowyer has told the LT this and hes not for sale!!!

Chadders, what would you really expect either party to say !?!?

Perhaps Rhodes would be equally happy to leave, I would in his position, and Bowyer's stance is perhaps to also entice other plays in before what I think the inevitable happens as well as getting a better sale price.

If only life was as black and white as sometimes you make out.

[blueboy3333]

Chadders, what would you really expect either party to say !?!?

Perhaps Rhodes would be equally happy to leave, I would in his position, and Bowyer's stance is perhaps to also entice other plays in before what I think the inevitable happens as well as getting a better sale price.

If only life was as black and white as sometimes you make out.

Maybe he likes it at Rovers. Good money, good training facilities, good stadium. Not everyone hates Rovers like you. How was Fleetwood last season, did you enjoy watching them?

[Mercer]

Maybe he likes it at Rovers. Good money, good training facilities, good stadium. Not everyone hates Rovers like you. How was Fleetwood last season, did you enjoy watching them?

A demitasse would fit your head like a sombrero!

Enough said - assuming of course that you can work it out.

[thenodrog]

Mainly against sub-standard opposition in the cups though. 8 in 36 in the league is another poor return - he hasn't hit double figures for the past four seasons. He's finished.

It'll be make or break under Mourhino but I think Torres might surprise you. When I watch Torres he still looks a top quality target man to me. He's still extremely dangerous and he is just about the most unselfish target man that I can readily think of. He frequently passes to teammates in a better position rather than shooting from less favourable positions as so many do.

[Pete1981]

http://www.lancashiretelegraph.co.uk/sport/10467561.Striker_Jordan_Rhodes__not_for_sale__says_Blackburn_Rovers_manager_Gary_Bowyer/

[thenodrog]

http://www.lancashiretelegraph.co.uk/sport/10467561.Striker_Jordan_Rhodes__not_for_sale__says_Blackburn_Rovers_manager_Gary_Bowyer/

Quote from the above link......

"Asked if that was at any price, Bowyer added: “For me it is, certainly the conversation I had with the owners was that he was not for sale."

Now given that the ST prices are just out and taking into the Venkymobs record of not even being able to lie straight in bed does anybody feel convinced by those words?

[EgyptianPete]

A demitasse would fit your head like a sombrero!

Enough said - assuming of course that you can work it out.

Tut Tut, you can't win em all.

[DavidMailsTightPerm]

Quote from the above link......

"Asked if that was at any price, Bowyer added: “For me it is, certainly the conversation I had with the owners was that he was not for sale."

Now given that the ST prices are just out and taking into the Venkymobs record of not even being able to lie straight in bed does anybody feel convinced by those words?

You have to question those fans who base their decision on whether to buy a season ticket on which players will or won't be pulling on the old blue and white. Nobody seems to mention that without the Venky's we wouldn't have Rhodes anyway - flip side of that we wouldn't have a huge hole in our finances or be in the Championship.

Even under JW we would sell Rhodes for a reasonable profit - so I don't think you can call our current owners if they do the same. Personally wouldn't like to say whether they will cash in or not - at the end of the day who would have said they would retain a large amount of our first team squad and pay £3m for Best and then £8m for Rhodes last season ?

[roverandout]

chaddy and bowyer sitting in a tree, k-I-s-s-I--n-g

[chaddyrovers]

chaddy and bowyer sitting in a tree, k-I-s-s-I--n-g

you pathetic little person!!!

[Stuart]

you pathetic little person!!!

Do you know what Chadster, old bean. For once, I completely agree with you. Don't rise to it.

[92er]

You have to question those fans who base their decision on whether to buy a season ticket on which players will or won't be pulling on the old blue and white. Nobody seems to mention that without the Venky's we wouldn't have Rhodes anyway - flip side of that we wouldn't have a huge hole in our finances or be in the Championship.

Even under JW we would sell Rhodes for a reasonable profit - so I don't think you can call our current owners if they do the same. Personally wouldn't like to say whether they will cash in or not - at the end of the day who would have said they would retain a large amount of our first team squad and pay £3m for Best and then £8m for Rhodes last season ?

If fans want to make a decision about buying tickets based on who is going to be playing for the team, then I have some empathy with their decision. After all, who can say now which players will still be here at the end of August?

Similarly, when we were a trading club, or even a selling club, I felt sympathetic to the argument that players had to be sold to cover losses etc, on the basis that a replacement would be brought in who might be able to develop into a reasonable player.

Most of what the Venky's do doesn't make sense:bringing Murphy and Etuhu in on huge wages etc, etc, etc.

We appear to be making huge losses and have only one shot at going back to the Premier League in my lifetime- next season.

[LeChuck]

So Leigh Griffiths is given a starting place ahead of Rhodes for Scotland's qualifier against Croatia?

Doesn't surprise me as Scotland can't afford to play with two up front, and therefore can't use a lone striker that won't get involved in the match.

The reason I think we might be ok with Rhodes this summer is that most of the clubs in the lower half of the PL have the same issue, and will probably hold back on making a move for the same reason.

It's a pretty big season for Rhodes. At 23 he hasn't got too long to left to undo the bad habits he picked up at Huddersfield in the lower leagues. Those years of letting the likes of Novak do the donkey work whilst he hung around waiting to score a goal are holding him back at the moment.

[Steve Kean's Hypnotoad]

So Leigh Griffiths is given a starting place ahead of Rhodes for Scotland's qualifier against Croatia?

Doesn't surprise me as Scotland can't afford to play with two up front, and therefore can't use a lone striker that won't get involved in the match.

The reason I think we might be ok with Rhodes this summer is that most of the clubs in the lower half of the PL have the same issue, and will probably hold back on making a move for the same reason.

It's a pretty big season for Rhodes. At 23 he hasn't got too long to left to undo the bad habits he picked up at Huddersfield in the lower leagues. Those years of letting the likes of Novak do the donkey work whilst he hung around waiting to score a goal are holding him back at the moment.

Rhodes isn't built like a target man though, if he tries to play like one he'll just end up worse. Like when Kean used to try to imitate Allardyce's tactics but do them really badly. He should stick to what he's good at, he's not doing anything wrong and there's still a market for his type of player in the Premiership. Look at guys like Long, Walters, Rodriguez, Le Fondre. All have succeeded in the Prem and Rhodes is, for me, better than of any of them. And if he gets even better at what he's already good at there's nothing to stop him aiming towards the likes of Dempsey and Hernandez. The problem Rhodes has is none of these players cost £10m when they first came to the Prem. In my opinion he got really unlucky, he slipped through the net to begin with and in clawing his way back to the surface he's picked up a big price tag along the way. Wenger said much the same thing:

http://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/arsene-wenger-jordan-rhodes-suffered-1712849

[West Yorks Rover]

Kalinic on bench for Croatia too.

[roversfan99]

Rhodes isn't built like a target man though, if he tries to play like one he'll just end up worse. Like when Kean used to try to imitate Allardyce's tactics but do them really badly. He should stick to what he's good at, he's not doing anything wrong and there's still a market for his type of player in the Premiership. Look at guys like Long, Walters, Rodriguez, Le Fondre. All have succeeded in the Prem and Rhodes is, for me, better than of any of them. And if he gets even better at what he's already good at there's nothing to stop him aiming towards the likes of Dempsey and Hernandez. The problem Rhodes has is none of these players cost £10m when they first came to the Prem. In my opinion he got really unlucky, he slipped through the net to begin with and in clawing his way back to the surface he's picked up a big price tag along the way. Wenger said much the same thing:

http://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/arsene-wenger-jordan-rhodes-suffered-1712849

To be fair, although they may be inferior, Walters is strong and powerful, Long and Rodriguez are quick and Le Fondre was used only as a sub.

[Steve Kean's Hypnotoad]

To be fair, although they may be inferior, Walters is strong and powerful, Long and Rodriguez are quick and Le Fondre was used only as a sub.

Does that matter though if as you say they're inferior? Rhodes is a far better finisher than all of them, with his head or both feet, and I wouldn't describe Rhodes as slow, he's quick enough to stay that yard ahead of defenders when a chance presents itself. I mean Jay Rodriguez? Regular starter for Southampton last season and Rhodes scored exactly as many goals in 1 season in the Championship as he did in 2.

Like I said its not that he wouldn't make it in the PL, in my opinion he definitely would. It'll be the price tag that stops clubs going for him if they end up not doing. Very glad he did but from his point of view he shouldn't have come to Rovers. 1 more year with Huddersfield, finishing mid-table last season probably if they'd had him in their side and another year down on his contract (so a couple of million off the price we paid). Every club outside the top 7 in the Prem would have been scrapping for his signature this summer.

[LeChuck]

Rhodes isn't built like a target man though, if he tries to play like one he'll just end up worse. Like when Kean used to try to imitate Allardyce's tactics but do them really badly. He should stick to what he's good at, he's not doing anything wrong and there's still a market for his type of player in the Premiership. Look at guys like Long, Walters, Rodriguez, Le Fondre

Griffiths isn't a target man, neither is Kenny Miller. Dickov wasn't a target man either.

I'm not disagreeing here for the sake of it but those four players back up my point, not yours! Walters and Rodriguez play on the wing. Long does loads of excellent work but has poor goal return. Le Fondre only plays from the bench because he offers nothing in open play.

There are several ways to play as a lone striker, target man is just one of them. Rhodes has to figure out a way of contributing in open play otherwise he won't have an international or PL career. To be fair to him, he was pressing defenders a lot more towards the end of the season. Hopefully Bowyer will bring more out of him.

[Salgado Is A Hero]

Hanley played very well tonight in Scotland's 1-0 away win against Croatia. Apart from one diabolical backpass.

Rhodes came on and didn't do much. Wasted possession a couple of times. He didn't look too comfortable. A fair bit to go before he comes PL or International class imo. Still young though.

[Steve Kean's Hypnotoad]

Long does loads of excellent work but has poor goal return.

That one sentence encapsulates a major concept behind being a striker though. From what I can see there is a big correlation between strikers who work hard in other areas and don't score a lot of goals, just as their is between strikers who only come alive in the box but who are prolific. You get 2 types, you don't tend to get guys who can do both (apart from at the very highest level). It makes sense to me, if you're using up lots of effort doing other things, its gonna affect your sharpness, strength, concentration and tenacity to score when a chance comes along. The likes of Rhodes and all the great finishers seem to enter a state of accelerated conscious when a chance comes along, they somehow seem to have time and the ability to manoeuvre and find the corner even when no time or space exist.

I think it'd have a serious impact on their ability to do that if they've run themselves into the ground all game. There's nothing I find more aggravating at games than when fans demand strikers go legging it between 2 defenders who just pass back and forth around them, or demand a striker chases down a backpass. Its totally pointless, it doesn't achieve anything at all 999 times out of 1000, and it means the striker is puffing, offside, and far from on his toes for the next 20-30 seconds. Fans love to see it, I'm not sure why. Perhaps those who haven't played at a decent level don't understand professional sportsmen aren't easily panicked and are forever expecting a silly mistake from the opposition. Or perhaps watching a british bulldogs style charge at an opposition player is mildly entertaining just for its own sake.

I don't really care if Rhodes does little else but score every game. That's his job and he's done it flawlessly every season of his career since he was 18, at 3 domestic levels and at 2 international levels. I'd bet a lot of money he'll manage it in the PL as well.

[ABBEY]

So Leigh Griffiths is given a starting place ahead of Rhodes for Scotland's qualifier against Croatia?

Doesn't surprise me as Scotland can't afford to play with two up front, and therefore can't use a lone striker that won't get involved in the match.

The reason I think we might be ok with Rhodes this summer is that most of the clubs in the lower half of the PL have the same issue, and will probably hold back on making a move for the same reason.

It's a pretty big season for Rhodes. At 23 he hasn't got too long to left to undo the bad habits he picked up at Huddersfield in the lower leagues. Those years of letting the likes of Novak do the donkey work whilst he hung around waiting to score a goal are holding him back at the moment.

40k a week and a Lamborghini on his drive . Wish I was held back .

[Mercer]

By the way Chadders, if you want to earn a bob or two, pitch-up on Coyley going to Wigan

Hey Chadders - hope you filled your boots !!!

[Commondore]

Hull is now rumored to have turned their attention to Burnely's Austin instead of Rhodes. I haven't seen him play enough to have an opinion, would anyone say that he's got more dimesions to his game than Rhodes? He'd certainly be cheaper...