[Archived] Jordan Rhodes

[West Yorks Rover]

I just want the transfer window slammed shut fast.

Before wee Pardew gets any ideas.

You can't use wee !!!

He's not a Jock !

He's a bleedin cockney !

[Mani]

Not sure about the credibility of your 'coaching staff' friend.

Why would Bowyer want to sell someone who scored 25+ goals last year?

Also given Best's recent "sulk" , doesn't that suggest that he's been told that JR is #1 choice?

"it's not a £££ issue" ! That's exactly what it is! If he goes it will be because the club is running up massive costs to cover.

Ha ha are you referring to my credibility or his?

Either way, see for yourself three weeks ago on the transfer thread...I said that I'd been privy to a conversation with a member of the coaching staff who'd said that Rhodes had looked disinterested in training and that they were disappointed in what he offered other than goal scoring. The person said they'd "snap the hand" off anyone willing to give them their money back...

They also stated that GB was not a fan of egos and that Best, Dann and King had BIG egos...at the time he stated that Best maybe pushed out..

Since that time the "bust up" between best and GB has come out and Rhodes is very obviously being pimped out to anyone who'll listen.

The person also said that there had been nothing mentioned about having to sell..

Iv said it before...I'm not an itk..I'm a normal fan but the conversation DID happen 100% and since then all seems to have happened. Believe it of not IF Blackburn get an offer of their money back + a bit Rhodes will go..I will be gutted but this guy has no need to lie to anyone!

I just hope we have a replacement lined up!!

[RevidgeBlue]

I do hate to say it guys but I called this three weeks ago when I said a member of the coaching staff had told me they'd be happy to get their £££ back on Rhodes...

Apparently it's not a £££ issue. The club are happy to let him move for the right money because they believe his head has been half turned and because they aren't impressed with his attitude to training.

Three weeks ago I was slaughtered for saying that...how times have changed!

And for the record AGAIN I don't want us to sell Rhodes because we'll be weaker for it and that is a fact. Even if we signed Billy Sharp and Nahki Wells.

And you're still talking out of your backside as much now as you were then.

Must be some player then if he can just mope through training and turn it on when he wants on matchdays.....

[RevidgeBlue]

Correct i've even heard Palace are interested

That would be an extremely swift return to the Championship by the looks of things.

Beaten at Bristol City in the League Cup last night weren't they?

[M-K]

I do hate to say it guys but I called this three weeks ago when I said a member of the coaching staff had told me they'd be happy to get their £££ back on Rhodes...

Apparently it's not a £££ issue. The club are happy to let him move for the right money because they believe his head has been half turned and because they aren't impressed with his attitude to training.

Three weeks ago I was slaughtered for saying that...how times have changed!

Three weeks ago... Try three months ago, Nostradamus.

Do you not think he is worth at least the £8million we paid for him tho? I am not saying that he is worth £15 million or anything daft but i don't see why we would cash in for £6.5million and take a loss as Mercerman suggests.

£8million was a huge gamble but i think given his age, potential, the amount of goals he scored and his natural finishing ability his current valuation would be around that mark.

Rovers are the only club that thought he was worth 8 million in the first place. There was no bidding war for him, just a massive offer. I don't think his value will have gone up significantly after a good season in the Champ, because he was hugely overpriced to begin with.

Maybe in Rovers' dire financial situation, if another club came along with a 'cut your losses' offer to pay off the remainder of the transfer to Huddersfield, get Rhodes's salary off the books and maybe throw in a few quid compensation, it would make sense to take it.

Anyone know what the original deal was? I seem to remember seeing a £2m per season figure, so there might still be £6m left to pay plus a possible sell-on.

[glen9mullan]

Ha ha are you referring to my credibility or his?

Either way, see for yourself three weeks ago on the transfer thread...I said that I'd been privy to a conversation with a member of the coaching staff who'd said that Rhodes had looked disinterested in training and that they were disappointed in what he offered other than goal scoring. The person said they'd "snap the hand" off anyone willing to give them their money back...

They also stated that GB was not a fan of egos and that Best, Dann and King had BIG egos...at the time he stated that Best maybe pushed out..

Since that time the "bust up" between best and GB has come out and Rhodes is very obviously being pimped out to anyone who'll listen.

The person also said that there had been nothing mentioned about having to sell..

Iv said it before...I'm not an itk..I'm a normal fan but the conversation DID happen 100% and since then all seems to have happened. Believe it of not IF Blackburn get an offer of their money back + a bit Rhodes will go..I will be gutted but this guy has no need to lie to anyone!

I just hope we have a replacement lined up!!

Knowing Mani and his connections I have zero reason to doubt anything he has stated here .

He is very very close if not closer than most to the goings on , on the training ground .

Rovers do not have to sell Rhodes , have had no pressure from the top to sell him , and if he is sold it will be simply because the Manager fancies the cash for reinforcements .

Jordan had an issue earlier in the summer with certain people's influences in the playing side at team selection .

One of those players has left , however his issue went straight to the top which didnt go down well with the management or coaching team.

Jordan is happy at Rovers , but if pushed out will go , however the pushing out is not happening at board or ownership level . Make of that what you will !!

I'm still of the opinion Jordan will be here come this time next week as the owners have reiterated their desire to keep the only decision they ever got right

[den]

Would we not have less chance of winning without his goals?

We would if we didn't use the money wisely.

I guess it's a simple question, with a yes or no answer -

Could we improve results by reinvesting the Rhodes money?

I'm absolutely certain we could.

[RevidgeBlue]

We would if we didn't use the money wisely.

I guess it's a simple question, with a yes or no answer -

Could we improve results by reinvesting the Rhodes money?

I'm absolutely certain we could.

The answer is equally simple.

No.

[tomphil]

Ha ha are you referring to my credibility or his?

Either way, see for yourself three weeks ago on the transfer thread...I said that I'd been privy to a conversation with a member of the coaching staff who'd said that Rhodes had looked disinterested in training and that they were disappointed in what he offered other than goal scoring. The person said they'd "snap the hand" off anyone willing to give them their money back...

They also stated that GB was not a fan of egos and that Best, Dann and King had BIG egos...at the time he stated that Best maybe pushed out..

Since that time the "bust up" between best and GB has come out and Rhodes is very obviously being pimped out to anyone who'll listen.

The person also said that there had been nothing mentioned about having to sell..

Iv said it before...I'm not an itk..I'm a normal fan but the conversation DID happen 100% and since then all seems to have happened. Believe it of not IF Blackburn get an offer of their money back + a bit Rhodes will go..I will be gutted but this guy has no need to lie to anyone!

I just hope we have a replacement lined up!!

If it is true that a member of coaching staff did say that to you then he's the one who wants transfering out of the club the tit. Can't vouch for training ground but the Rhodes ive seen in all the games this season hasn't looked any different from last season. He always looks a bit lost when the chances aren't coming but he does and has been putting in some graft and making the runs as Saturday will testify.

[AggyBlue]

We would if we didn't use the money wisely.

I guess it's a simple question, with a yes or no answer -

Could we improve results by reinvesting the Rhodes money?

I'm absolutely certain we could.

We know Rhodes will score, any other option is 'hit and miss'

I don't want to go through anymore 'misses' soon

[eire3382]

We would if we didn't use the money wisely.

I guess it's a simple question, with a yes or no answer -

Could we improve results by reinvesting the Rhodes money?

I'm absolutely certain we could.

If we sold him for a significant amout of money then yes we could replace and probaly improve teh overall team.

But we are heading towards the end of the window and I have seen no indications during this window that rovers are capable of completing transfer quickly. Personally a bird in the hand... and I would perfer to keep him until next summer and then if things are not moving in the right direction he will go regardless.

[den]

We know Rhodes will score, any other option is 'hit and miss'

I don't want to go through anymore 'misses' soon

All that says is that you don't trust Bowyer to spend the money wisely, it avoids the simple question.

If we sold him for a significant amout of money then yes we could replace and probaly improve teh overall team.

But we are heading towards the end of the window and I have seen no indications during this window that rovers are capable of completing transfer quickly. Personally a bird in the hand... and I would perfer to keep him until next summer and then if things are not moving in the right direction he will go regardless.

So you're basically agreeing with me, but are concerned about the timing. That's two of us then. There must be more.

[RevidgeBlue]

If it is true that a member of coaching staff did say that to you then he's the one who wants transfering out of the club the tit. Can't vouch for training ground but the Rhodes ive seen in all the games this season hasn't looked any different from last season. He always looks a bit lost when the chances aren't coming but he does and has been putting in some graft and making the runs as Saturday will testify.

Very good post, completely agree.

I'm not buying all this "The coaching staff aren't happy with Rhodes" guff though.

[roveranout]

If it is true that a member of coaching staff did say that to you then he's the one who wants transfering out of the club the tit. Can't vouch for training ground but the Rhodes ive seen in all the games this season hasn't looked any different from last season. He always looks a bit lost when the chances aren't coming but he does and has been putting in some graft and making the runs as Saturday will testify.

I know what other players say about him and they all think he's a top class professional so all this tripe about him not giving 2 hoots in training seems to me like hogwash.

Rhodes is similar to Pedersen in the way he trains and keeps himself in top condition off the field and a lad that keep his head down and tries his very best

[eire3382]

All that says is that you don't trust Bowyer to spend the money wisely, it avoids the simple question.

So you're basically agreeing with me, but are concerned about the timing. That's two of us then. There must be more.

I think he won't be a rovers player at the start of next season. If he leaves before the current window closes we are in a huge amount of trouble.

Does anyone trust the club is capable of using the money to improve the team! GB deserves time but Im not sure I want to give him that kind of respnsibility just yet.

[Blue blood]

We would if we didn't use the money wisely.

I guess it's a simple question, with a yes or no answer -

Could we improve results by reinvesting the Rhodes money?

I'm absolutely certain we could.

Den the big question isn't could we improve by reinvesting the Rhodes money?

But will we improve by reinvesting the Rhodes money - as in do you trust GB or whoever it is doing the transfers to improve the team? This is the question.

Of course with the right manager, we definitely could do with the cash to improve the team. We could probably buy 2 or 3 players who will overall improve the overall team and get it looking more balanced. The question is: is Bowyer the type of manager who could do that? Because if not, then there's no point in selling. I've doubts over whether GB would improve the team if given the Rhodes cash to spend and am not sure it's a gamble I would take.

I assume - though don't want to put words in your mouth - based on your statement that you think GB can do it. Personally I'm not convinced.

[SoldierMo]

Ha ha are you referring to my credibility or his?

Either way, see for yourself three weeks ago on the transfer thread...I said that I'd been privy to a conversation with a member of the coaching staff who'd said that Rhodes had looked disinterested in training and that they were disappointed in what he offered other than goal scoring. The person said they'd "snap the hand" off anyone willing to give them their money back...

They also stated that GB was not a fan of egos and that Best, Dann and King had BIG egos...at the time he stated that Best maybe pushed out..

Since that time the "bust up" between best and GB has come out and Rhodes is very obviously being pimped out to anyone who'll listen.

The person also said that there had been nothing mentioned about having to sell..

Iv said it before...I'm not an itk..I'm a normal fan but the conversation DID happen 100% and since then all seems to have happened. Believe it of not IF Blackburn get an offer of their money back + a bit Rhodes will go..I will be gutted but this guy has no need to lie to anyone!

I just hope we have a replacement lined up!!

Dissapounted in what he offered besides goals??? If thats what the coach said then the coach needs sellin or sacking football is about goals and goals win u games

[den]

Den the big question isn't could we improve by reinvesting the Rhodes money?

But will we improve by reinvesting the Rhodes money - as in do you trust GB or whoever it is doing the transfers to improve the team? This is the question.

Of course with the right manager, we definitely could do with the cash to improve the team. We could probably buy 2 or 3 players who will overall improve the overall team and get it looking more balanced. The question is: is Bowyer the type of manager who could do that? Because if not, then there's no point in selling. I've doubts over whether GB would improve the team if given the Rhodes cash to spend and am not sure it's a gamble I would take.

I assume - though don't want to put words in your mouth - based on your statement that you think GB can do it. Personally I'm not convinced.

No, I'm far from convinced that Bowyer would spend the money wisely, but if we take that view, then we're doomed. A few people have passed my views about selling our best players, right back to me. All I can say is that there was no way, that selling the likes of Pickering, England, Newton, Shearer and players of that standing or even less, could have resulted in the manager going out and strengthening the team. That clearly isn't the case here - and that's why the thought of selling him isn't so unthinkable, to me.

[glen9mullan]

The main question is , how many strikers are available at less money who will guarantee 30 goals this season ?

The next question , how many points a season are Jordan's goals worth if we can't get a replacement who can score equal ?

How many strikers have rovers had over the last 20 years who could score 25 plus a season ? They are not that easy to come by !!!

Last summer it was close on 25 million we spent on players , signing on fees ect . Of that money how much of it showed a return ? How much of it have we ended up paying off ?

A Jordan Rhodes sale would spell the beginning of the end of any slim chances this club has ever got of one day playing Premiership football again .

In some people's minds that bird has already flown , but to further weaken the clubs main attacking threat would have us looking over our shoulder at league 1

We cannot kid ourselves , we only stayed up last season after a nervous last month of the season .

We ain't suddenly become a better team over night and our signings to date are not from the top drawer .

If we got £20 million for Rhodes , it would not improve the team on the pitch and that's the conundrum we are at

[Blue blood]

No, I'm far from convinced that Bowyer would spend the money wisely, but if we take that view, then we're doomed. A few people have passed my views about selling our best players, right back to me. All I can say is that there was no way, that selling the likes of Pickering, England, Newton, Shearer and players of that standing or even less, could have resulted in the manager going out and strengthening the team. That clearly isn't the case here - and that's why the thought of selling him isn't so unthinkable, to me.

Thanks for the reply. I kind of understand what you mean about if we take that view we are doomed (it's bad when you don't trust the manager to spend money!)

However, given the abject mismanagement of the last 3 years, whilst it's not a great thing worrying about whether your manager can spend money - I think that is the situation that Venkys et al have reduced us to. Unpalatable as it may seem, I think this is a big, and realistic, factor in whether we sell or not - do we trust the manager with money. Like you I'm far from convinced Bowyer would spend the money wisely, however, I think we need to face up to that truth rather than ignore it or hope for the best with a sale.

[Parsonblue]

Dissapounted in what he offered besides goals??? If thats what the coach said then the coach needs sellin or sacking football is about goals and goals win u games

His goals didn't win us many games last season. If goals win games how come Cardiff got promoted with nobody hitting double figures? Football is about a complete package and goals are only one part of that package. To a certain extent I agree with den in that if the money for Rhodes could make the team stronger as a whole then losing him might not be the disaster that some think. However, it is a big 'if'.

[AggyBlue]

All that says is that you don't trust Bowyer to spend the money wisely, it avoids the simple question.

Correct.

He will follow his remit of 'buy 'em young and cheap, sell 'em on for a profit'. The strategy outlined by Mrs D.

[Amo]

Correct.

He will follow his remit of 'buy 'em young and cheap, sell 'em on for a profit'. The strategy outlined by Mrs D.

Nothing wrong with that model for a club of our size. We've been doing it before the Venky's rolled up.

[AJW]

That would be an extremely swift return to the Championship by the looks of things.

Beaten at Bristol City in the League Cup last night weren't they?

I agree which is why imo he should be wary of his next move , i dont think Wigan nor Bolton (even if we were to accept their bids) represent a guaranteed shot at promotion and the clubs from the PL who had the chance to sign him earlier in the summer i.e Newcastle Everton West Ham Fulham Norwich Sunderland etc have bought elsewhere leaving clubs from the PL who are desperate to stay in the league as his only realistic choice i.e Palace

[SoldierMo]

Knowing Mani and his connections I have zero reason to doubt anything he has stated here .

He is very very close if not closer than most to the goings on , on the training ground .

Rovers do not have to sell Rhodes , have had no pressure from the top to sell him , and if he is sold it will be simply because the Manager fancies the cash for reinforcements .

Jordan had an issue earlier in the summer with certain people's influences in the playing side at team selection .

One of those players has left , however his issue went straight to the top which didnt go down well with the management or coaching team.

Jordan is happy at Rovers , but if pushed out will go , however the pushing out is not happening at board or ownership level . Make of that what you will !!

I'm still of the opinion Jordan will be here come this time next week as the owners have reiterated their desire to keep the only decision they ever got right

Who werethe two players that had influenced on team selection?? Murphy?dunn?Dann??