[Archived] Jordan Rhodes

[den]

I think Rhodes is a special player at this level. The above list is a bit misleading in my opinion; most of them only ever scored 20 or more once (in fact, some of them never scored more than 20!)

So, only four of these players have scored 20 or more goals more than once (at either Championship or League One level). The two stand-outs are Kevin Phillips who had 3 great years in the late 90s but only scored over 20 one more time late in his career and Rickie Lambert who was prolific for 4 seasons at this level.

The other two are Murray and Rhodes. Then again, Murray only scored 6 in 37 games in 2011-12. Whichever way you look at it, Rhodes has a much better record than all the rest and I am backing him to get over 20 this season too.

PS Jimmy - I realise that this is not the point you were making but I just wanted to point out that consistent goalscorers are not 10 a penny.

Interesting point tony. You're into stats, aren't you. Maybe the mods could find a spot for a site statistician?

As for the cost of championship goalscorers, well since the league began there must have been hundreds, if not a thousand who have scored 20 goals in a season, only ever one of them that cost £8m. Out of the ones who only did it once, maybe some of them couldn't do it twice because they were snapped up by the league above? Just a thought!

As for him being a special player, well his chances to goals ratio must be extraordinary.

[rhodie]

With Rhodes as our striker we scored enough goals last season to get promoted, the problem was we also failed to stop enough goals to get promoted, and that in a nutshell is why we are still in the championship. Rhodes did what he was bought to do.

[tomphil]

With Rhodes as our striker we scored enough goals last season to get promoted, the problem was we also failed to stop enough goals to get promoted, and that in a nutshell is why we are still in the championship. Rhodes did what he was bought to do.

+1

Bingo !

[Leonard Venkhater]

It's actually nearer to 30 including Orr and Anthony O'Connor, Raheem Hanley, Fabio Nunes and John O'Sullivan. Are they considered first team?

Why's that then? It wouldn't have helped him - it was known to everyone in football that we was out and Kean was in. Just ask Andy Cole

http://www.thenational.ae/thenationalconversation/sport-comment/steve-kean-can-do-job-at-blackburn

Infact - everyone read that. It's absolutely keaning criminal. What a slimy kean manipulative kean he was - turning up to work every day knowing that he was about to stab the man that had given him a job straight in the back.

The fact that Sam is now a success at an established PL club moving forward and Kean is whoring himself out to anyone that will listen is quite apt.

Well others may say this is off subject, but it is very interesting, all the same.. Yes. This does say so much about Kean and his lack of integrity.

Possibly , the biggest issue is what having his own man as manager allowed Anderson to get away with...bypassing an experienced board, ,bringing in and offloading players to make a profit for certain individuals, while destroying the club, of course....

Dark forces, indeed!

What the Cole article shows is that the whole thing was planned from the beginning. I even heard that the Kean manager thing was a condition of the takeover.( more in a man down the pub kind of way than ITK!)

I have been busy explaining this to other football fans, wherever I travel!.

Back on subject. Let's keep Rhodes and see how well he does with a balanced team, assembled for the sole purpose of trying to win games..

Oh yes..last summer's " purchasing team" must have known that the squad they were assembling was very unbalanced..." all over the place" ( Appleton)...so what was the purpose of signing them all?...

.Always wondered why they always say the envelopes are brown!!!

[tonyoz]

Interesting point tony. You're into stats, aren't you. Maybe the mods could find a spot for a site statistician?

As for the cost of championship goalscorers, well since the league began there must have been hundreds, if not a thousand who have scored 20 goals in a season, only ever one of them that cost £8m. Out of the ones who only did it once, maybe some of them couldn't do it twice because they were snapped up by the league above? Just a thought!

As for him being a special player, well his chances to goals ratio must be extraordinary.

Sadly, it's true.

This is why Rhodes is special:

He is the highest scorer in League One since it was established with 36 goals. The all-time runner-up scored 30.

(I found 4 different figures for the goals scored (35 up to 38) but 36 is from the BBC plus, I think, 2 in the play-offs).

Next season, he fell short of the highest ever goals scored in the Championship by one goal 29. This was playing for a club in crisis with 5 (or was it 6?) different managers in a relegation dogfight! Murray who pipped him with 30 was in a promotion team.

[Fife Rover]

Great stuff Tony! I think you would be a great stato for this site if you are willing to give it a go.

[Salgado Is A Hero]

With Rhodes as our striker we scored enough goals last season to get promoted, the problem was we also failed to stop enough goals to get promoted, and that in a nutshell is why we are still in the championship. Rhodes did what he was bought to do.

But we had one of the best defensive records in the Championship. Actually no we didn't, not by the end. We conceded 62, same as Palace but around the same amount as midtable sides (although that was only 3 points above us).

We obviously had many problems, but in this context, it was the rest of the team not scoring enough goals.

Wasn't our next highest on 4? Kazim. Dann. Nuno and Rochina?

Having a lone striker who can't hold the ball up very well is obviously a factor in this but it was stupid to play long balls to him anyway.

The next two players who would be most likely to score after Rhodes would imo have been Nuno Gomes and Rochina so not playing them is another factor.

Plus the lack of quality in CM until Jones and Willamson etc etc.

Top half teams last season generally scored at least 65 goals.

If Rhodes scores 30 (remember he'll be taking penalties all season this time), then that leaves 35 to be scored between the rest.

If say Campbell, Best and Rochina get 18 between them (which might be pushing it but Campbell is a proven goalscorer in this league and 6 isn't too much for the other two)

Then say Judge, Marshall, Taylor, Dann, Hanley and King can score 3 each. With others chipping in one or two, like with Kane the other day.

Achievable I think. Hull only scored 61 goals. Not conceding too many is obviously just as important.

[tonyoz]

This is why Jordan Rhodes is special (and maybe why he was worth a bit more than your ordinary run of the mill Championship player):

He was the highest league scorer in England in 2011-12.

He scored the fastest ever headed hat-trick in Football League history - 8 minutes.

He scored 5 in a game for Huddersfield..................and he also scored consecutive hat-tricks.

Now, he also holds the record for scoring in 7 consecutive matches.

Now that's special!

[thenodrog]

However we already have around 50 players on the books and the potential worry already is too much quantity and not enough quality. We need to mould the players we already have into an effective team unit imo. The last thing we need to do is bring in another 3 or 4 players no better than the one's we've got.

The comings and goings at Spurs are similar albeit at a stratospheric level compared to us. Bale is going to RM for massive money and Spurs have already spent it on strengthening weaker areas of the team. I'll bet their fan base is as divided as ours about it. It'll be interesting to see which team performs the best come next May.

[Tom]

This is why Jordan Rhodes is special (and maybe why he was worth a bit more than your ordinary run of the mill Championship player):

He was the highest league scorer in England in 2011-12.

He scored the fastest ever headed hat-trick in Football League history - 8 minutes.

He scored 5 in a game for Huddersfield..................and he also scored consecutive hat-tricks.

Now, he also holds the record for scoring in 7 consecutive matches.

Now that's special!

STATTO STATTO STATTO

I love these stats and stuff tony you should do a regular blog or piece for the site like bob does his monthly reviews

[bob fleming]

STATTO STATTO STATTO

I love these stats and stuff tony you should do a regular blog or piece for the site like bob does his monthly reviews

Correction: Like bob did with his monthly reviews.

[tomphil]

This is why Jordan Rhodes is special (and maybe why he was worth a bit more than your ordinary run of the mill Championship player):

He was the highest league scorer in England in 2011-12.

He scored the fastest ever headed hat-trick in Football League history - 8 minutes.

He scored 5 in a game for Huddersfield..................and he also scored consecutive hat-tricks.

Now, he also holds the record for scoring in 7 consecutive matches.

Now that's special!

Yes but he still ain't good enough for some wise (?) heeds on this board. He doesn't run the channels you see and that's all we need !!! Sell sell sell :)

[Tom]

Correction: Like bob did with his monthly reviews.

Sorry bob didn't realise you had stopped them

[thenodrog]

With Rhodes as our striker we scored enough goals last season to get promoted, the problem was we also failed to stop enough goals to get promoted, and that in a nutshell is why we are still in the championship. Rhodes did what he was bought to do.

... and nothing else. Precisely why no Prem club has come in strong for him. The frustrating thing is that whilst the ability to score is God given the weak part of his game is the easiest bit to improve.

[RevidgeBlue]

... and nothing else. Precisely why no Prem club has come in strong for him. The frustrating thing is that whilst the ability to score is God given the weak part of his game is the easiest bit to improve.

?????

So if we had the best defensive record in the League would you criticise the two centre backs for failing to score ten goals apiece?

[tomphil]

?????

So if we had the best defensive record in the League would you criticise the two centre backs for failing to score ten goals apiece?

Probably lol

[joey_big_nose]

The comings and goings at Spurs are similar albeit at a stratospheric level compared to us. Bale is going to RM for massive money and Spurs have already spent it on strengthening weaker areas of the team. I'll bet their fan base is as divided as ours about it. It'll be interesting to see which team performs the best come next May.

Spurs have an absolutely fabulous side now. No doubt better off for selling Bale in my opinion. Strong in every position. Soldado is an inspired purchase. Outside chance of winning the title in my opinion. If their manager was more experienced, and City and Chelsea not so so strong, I would quite fancy them.

Levy has played an absolute blinder after years of paying over the odds for players who have turned out poorly for Spurs. I have a sneaking suspicion they will have turned a transfer profit over the last five years when Bale goes...? Can a statto check?

This year's premiership looks the strongest ever. Chelsea and Man City have absolutely ridiculous squads. Liverpool and Spurs are the strongest they ever have been in the Premiership era. Arsenal look well off the pace but still when you look at their midfield it is packed full of outstanding attacking talent - add a high quality holding midfielder and a top striker and they will be decent. Man Utd look weak compared to Chelsea/City, especially with Rooney looking to leave. However they have always been successful despite carrying quite a few average players (how many titles have they win with the likes of O'Shea, Nicky Butt, Phil Neville...). Wonder if Moyes can keep that up. I wouldn't be shocked if they won the title again.

Meanwhile those outside the top six drop ever further behind... I always like to support the smaller teams like Swansea and Fulham but I can't see anyone making a dent in the big boys.

[Salgado Is A Hero]

It's too simplistic to just say a striker's job to score goals.

If it was then Mario "Guarantees 35+ goals a season" Gomez wouldn't be at Fiorentina and Le Fondre wouldn't have been a sub last year.

I think losing Rhodes would be a massive loss, but you can't say "he did his job, it must have been the other players".

Just stop playing long balls up to him, have a player in the hole to feed through balls to him so he doesn't become isolated and get early crosses into the box.

[den]

Just stop playing long balls up to him, have a player in the hole to feed through balls to him so he doesn't become isolated and get early crosses into the box.

Why, what's wrong with a long ball?

[Salgado Is A Hero]

Levy has played an absolute blinder after years of paying over the odds for players who have turned out poorly for Spurs. I have a sneaking suspicion they will have turned a transfer profit over the last five years when Bale goes...? Can a statto check?

Last 5 years - spent £310,900,000, received £220,600,00

Roughly similar if Bale goes for 85ish million.

[T.J.Newton]

Why, what's wrong with a long ball?

Rhodes chipped goal last week came from a ball over the top(which some would class as a long ball)

IMO- long ball=ball booted from goalkeeper or defender high and aimlessly up field.

Long Pass=ball kicked long high/low with a purpose/target

long ball does have a place in the game for most teams, but it shouldn't be your 1st(and only) thought/tactic.

[RevidgeBlue]

Today's LT shows how wide of the mark Nixon and Merce's scaremongering over Rhodes has been.

Freedman: "There were a few rumours that we could possibly get him here but the price - I wouldn't even embarrass myself by calling them up"

"Eight million pounds?" We wouldn't be paying a tenth of that"

ROFL. Bad luck Merce and Nicko. The mystery is how Nicko gets away with getting paid for writing such tripe.

[T.J.Newton]

Today's LT shows how wide of the mark Nixon and Merce's scaremongering over Rhodes has been.

Freedman: "There were a few rumours that we could possibly get him here but the price - I wouldn't even embarrass myself by calling them up"

"Eight million pounds?" We wouldn't be paying a tenth of that"

ROFL. Bad luck Merce and Nicko. The mystery is how Nicko gets away with getting paid for writing such tripe.

could be interpreted as a sly dig at Rhodes value or Bolton lacking the money, reads as a bit of both to me.

[Salgado Is A Hero]

Why, what's wrong with a long ball?

What's wrong with a long ball up to Rhodes is he isn't very good at holding the ball up.

With Cairney and even Dunn when he plays, we can now start to keep the ball on the deck a lot more which would be beneficial to Rhodes.

[watford-rover]

Just after jordan scored he was waving his shirt to the bolton fans,

Surely that's got to put to bed mercerman and Nicos claims of a move to bolton