[Archived] Would you be happy with a pay day loan company on the shirt

[Sparky Marky]

Morally, I feel this has gone too far. Surely notlob can find a suitable sponsor.

[Guest Norbert]

For once, I fully agree with you. I despise these legalised loan sharks, who are probably all run by Tory donors and all sorts of amoral scumbags who want to rip off every working person, and halve their wages simultainiously. These companies should be culled before any badgers.

[Amo]

I wasn't particularly chuffed when we had Bet24 blazoned across our shirts. Like I said in another thread, I don't see the difference between having a payday loan sponsor, a gambling one or an alcohol one. They're all morally questionable and they're all out to make a buck. People will argue that these loan sharks target the weak and vulnerable and they don't have a choice. Balls. It's still your choice whether to take the loan out or not. Take responsibility for your own affairs and seek out better options instead of taking the easy one.

[T.J.Newton]

I also don't like seeing shirts sponsored by betting companies, but at least they are relevant to sport, this really is sinking to a new low in the already revolting world of sports sponsorship, surely a reasonably decent club like bolton could have found something slightly less distasteful(a dodgy looking back street accountancy firm like probiz for example ) .

[Steve Moss]

I don't care who the sponsor is so long as it helps us out of our alleged financial problems.

[T.J.Newton]

I don't care who the sponsor is so long as it helps us out of our alleged financial problems.

that's a very american way of looking at it

[Mafioso]

Better than having 'Venky's' on the shirt..

..unless followed by 'out'

[Mc Love]

I agree on I dont give a crap who the sponsor is as long as it brings in some sort of decent revenue for the club!

[Paul]

Morally, I feel this has gone too far. Surely notlob can find a suitable sponsor.

I rarely agree with your posts but on this subject am with you all the way. These companies exploit the vulnerable in our society, people who do not have access to the more usual forms of credit, and seem to act in a manner which is at the edge of legality.

I've never really been happy with alcohol or betting as sponsors but not felt particularly strongly about it. Pay day loan companies is a step over the line.

[DannyKeg]

I would prefer a clean Blue & White halves shirt without any sponsor at all, as it was pre 1980's. but I suppose that's an old fashioned and naive view these days. I agree that clubs should also make a moral judgement as to which sponsor they choose, they do have a responsibility to their community, especially to younger supporters who wear the replica shirt.

I think Bolton's choice of a pay day loan company is disgraceful and sinks shirt sponsorship to a new and cynical low. It demeans their connection to their town and community.

[Stuart]

I rarely agree with your posts but on this subject am with you all the way. These companies exploit the vulnerable in our society, people who do not have access to the more usual forms of credit, and seem to act in a manner which is at the edge of legality. I've never really been happy with alcohol or betting as sponsors but not felt particularly strongly about it. Pay day loan companies is a step over the line.

Completely agree. I've already posted my long winded complaints on another thread so I won't repeat it.

[K-Hod]

It's not something I'd be actively for or against, but I think they're far worse than betting/alcohol sponsors morally for the horrendous rates of apr they charge. They're hardly the first are they. Wonga have sponsored Hearts, are due to sponsor Newcastle and Hull have been sponsored by cash converters (same ballpark).

[Zulu]

I would prefer a clean Blue & White halves shirt without any sponsor at all, as it was pre 1980's. but I suppose that's an old fashioned and naive view these days. I agree that clubs should also make a moral judgement as to which sponsor they choose, they do have a responsibility to their community, especially to younger supporters who wear the replica shirt.

I think Bolton's choice of a pay day loan company is disgraceful and sinks shirt sponsorship to a new and cynical low. It demeans their connection to their town and community.

Really? Well, I do find it a bit tacky - but I can't get too wound up about it if I'm being honest. There's not too many ethical companies out there these days. The Premier League is sponsored by Barclays Bank FFS!

And how does it 'sink shirt sponsorship to a new and cynical low?' It's not the first time that a club has embraced companies like this. Blackpool and Newcastle United spring to mind. I'm sure that there are others. In the darkest reaches of Hell you may find that Wonga are a bit nearer to the furnace than Quick Quid.

Nothing to see here.

[rigger]

I also don't like seeing shirts sponsored by betting companies, but at least they are relevant to sport, this really is sinking to a new low in the already revolting world of sports sponsorship, surely a reasonably decent club like bolton could have found something slightly less distasteful(a dodgy looking back street accountancy firm like probiz for example ) .

Perhaps a loan company being associated with Bolton, is taking the loan company to a new low.

[K-Hod]

Had a quick google, and it seems this hasn't gone down well in Bolton at all, apparently there is a protest planned, a councillor has slammed their choice of sponsor and many other Bolton fans are embarassed about it.

In fairness, we know all about being embarassed....

[Kamy100]

Bolton fans not happy about this, they have a protest planned on the shirt launch day.

They have also setup a petition:

http://www.change.org/en-GB/petitions/bolton-wanderers-football-club-reverse-the-decision-to-allow-the-club-kit-to-be-sponsored-by-quick-quid

[whatdial]

As a Wednesday fan I am delighted we turned these scum bags down. We have given our shirt sponsorship away to a local children's hospital in recent years so going to these modern day loan sharks would be a huge mistake.

Does it surprise anyone gartside has done this given his premier league lock in that he wanted so Bolton didn't go down.

[T.J.Newton]

Had a quick google, and it seems this hasn't gone down well in Bolton at all, apparently there is a protest planned, a councillor has slammed their choice of sponsor and many other Bolton fans are embarassed about it.

In fairness, we know all about being embarassed....

Exactly this is why its extra distasteful, Its people in small working class towns like Bolton where there's a lot of poverty and desperate people that these companies target most, there was also a story around the same time of this now sponsor announcement about a local person committing suicide because they couldn't cope with the debt that she owed one of these companies and the pressure she was being but under to pay it of(so this as also added to Bolton fans anger at the decision)

edit- just seen kamys link, that may have been what I was talking about.

[onlyonejackwalker]

Sports sponsorship has changed dramatically over the last few years. For example, the change of regulations and subsequent withdrawal of tobacco companies from snooker in particular saw the end of the Embassy World Championships, Regal Welsh Open, The Rothmans Grand Prix, The Dunhill Classic, the Benson and Hedges Masters etc etc. Snooker suffered (and to a lesser extent Grand Prix Racing) after the tobacco companies were forced to withdraw their support, but with new management at the highest levels (Barry Hearn) snooker has now discovered new markets and new sponsors from a myriad of different industries.

Betting companies, breweries, tobacco companies, loan companies are all in the same classless bracket for me. There ARE other sponsors out there, willing to invest, but you have to be skilled at segmenting your markets, identifying long tail extensions and presenting your product favourably in association so they can see the added value in partnership.

Would I be happy with a payday loan company on our shirt? Nope. Was I happy with a brewery on our shirt? Nope. As for ProBiz, well the word not the company, sums up Rovers perfectly under the Venky's for me. Very apt.

Wonga would have been good for us in 93, 94, 95 for those cringeworthy fans who used to sing 'loads and loads of money' and wave fistfuls of cash around to taunt other fans...

[SAS]

I find these conpanies disgraceful. I'd be very upset to see rovers sponsored by one.

However the banks are as much to blame, as it is extremely hard to get a loan at a main chain bank. They won't take any risk whatsoever and are the main reason for hardship in this country...

[T.J.Newton]

I find these conpanies disgraceful. I'd be very upset to see rovers sponsored by one.

However the banks are as much to blame, as it is extremely hard to get a loan at a main chain bank. They won't take any risk whatsoever and are the main reason for hardship in this country...

But surely its largely because the banks know that the person wanting the loan is high risk and shouldn't be taking out any loan as they don't have the reasonable means to pay it of in sufficient time(without getting further into debt elsewhere), if the banks won't loan them then these pay-day type places(with there extortionate interest rates) definitely shouldn't be allowed to.

a generation of people living beyond there means and passing that trait down to there kids is largely what's led to this, I think.

[SAS]

It doesn't just affect people like that.

I personally couldn't get a loan two years ago for a car. I had no debts, no bills or house to pay for and a long term job paying more than enough.

They could not give me an answer as to why I could not get a loan, so I got my credit report, which came back good.

This stopped me buying a new car and contributing to the economy.

Four months later I took a mortgage out on a brand new home.

It makes no sense.

[T.J.Newton]

No your right that doesn't make sense, its been a while since I had to deal with a bank on such a matter(about 10 years ago when I took out a mortgage),

I personally wouldn't take out a large bank loan on something other than a mortgage or take out any credit that I couldn't 100% pay back within a month or so,

though if I did like you try and take out a loan to buy a car only for the bank to refuse the it, my next step would not ever be to go to one of these dodgy companies.

p.s. they probably see a property mortgage as an asset that wont lose its value much if they have to forclose(I think that's the word?) on you, where as cars lose value on a monthly basis(no matter how well you take care of them) and new cars lose a massive chunk of there value the second you buy them,

I think the trick(lie ) is/was not to tell them the money is to purchase a car, but to say its for home improvements(if you own your home), in which case they may then just let you add the loan to your mortgage.

[Leonard Venkhater]

I find these conpanies disgraceful. I'd be very upset to see rovers sponsored by one.

However the banks are as much to blame, as it is extremely hard to get a loan at a main chain bank. They won't take any risk whatsoever and are the main reason for hardship in this country...

I agree with the bit in bold.

I thought it was bad enough having Thatcher as honorary vice thingummyjig.

You never know what the current regime would do. Is every aspect of decency to be thrown away? Jimmy Savile's Blue and White army, anyone?!

[Al]

no way will i wear a shirt advertising these loan sharks.