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The Leeds - McDermott farce shows once again that the "Fit and Proper Person" rules with regards to club ownership are meaningless and not worth the paper they are written on. I've been reading about the background of this prospective new Leeds owner and it's obvious he should not be let anywhere near a football club in this country. Once again Germany have shown us the way with strict rules about ownership that keep clubs in local hands.

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The league do say they have not decided about the Italian guy. Now all this has kicked off, I doubt they'd let him have Leeds as it would make them look even more corrupt and incompetent.

Goodness knows who actually owns the club as I type,as both GFA Holdings and the king of corn are saying the other sacked McDermott in the first place.

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He sounds like a bang up geezer after being arrested for false accounting in Italy......

IF he's any sense he will be on the phone to a upstanding member of the football community in Barnet via the son of a Italian count, asking for help in passing the fit and proper person's test and any 3rd party transfer issues that may arise after takeover

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Will be interesting how the league deal with the Fit and Proper test. It wasn't that long ago they were saying they can't test for stupidity in regards to Venkys. They apparently only test for criminal convictions.

If the laws are changed for Leeds then it will another case of "it was only litte Blackburn, so it doesn't matter".

How do they do a F&P test on consortiums? No-one knows who actually owns Leeds at the moment I don't think apart from it being an off-shore entity.

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THE Football league's excuse in the documentary How to buy a Football club was they did not have the resources to Investigate who the owners of clubs are, even ones that had been dead for 12 months and still listed as owners when the programme was made. It;s a pity the Government don't do a fit and proper investigation on the FA , Premier League and The Football League

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For the record, Festa played for Middlesbrough where it sounds like he did well, managed a club called Lumezzane, Serie C or what is now Lega Pro I.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gianluca_Festa

http://int.soccerway.com/national/italy/serie-c1/20132014/girone-a/r22445/

Fraud is obviously intolerable but we will have to see exactly what it is. Apparently Massimo Cellino is a big businessman.

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For the record, Festa played for Middlesbrough where it sounds like he did well, managed a club called Lumezzane, Serie C or what is now Lega Pro I.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gianluca_Festa

http://int.soccerway.com/national/italy/serie-c1/20132014/girone-a/r22445/

Fraud is obviously intolerable but we will have to see exactly what it is. Apparently Massimo Cellino is a big businessman.

He must be a member of a legitimate businessman's club. So he can conduct legitimate business with other legitimate businessmen.

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For the record, Festa played for Middlesbrough where it sounds like he did well, managed a club called Lumezzane, Serie C or what is now Lega Pro I.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gianluca_Festa

http://int.soccerway.com/national/italy/serie-c1/20132014/girone-a/r22445/

Fraud is obviously intolerable but we will have to see exactly what it is. Apparently Massimo Cellino is a big businessman.

Yes, but Silvio Berlosconi is a big Italian businessman and he's not without the odd accusation of skull duggery.

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For the record, Festa played for Middlesbrough where it sounds like he did well, managed a club called Lumezzane, Serie C or what is now Lega Pro I.

 

I want him at Rovers so we can shout 'Uncle Festa's Blue n White army!'.

Does no one else find it ironic how Mc Dermott looks a bit like Uncle Fester with glasses?

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Will be interesting how the league deal with the Fit and Proper test. It wasn't that long ago they were saying they can't test for stupidity in regards to Venkys. They apparently only test for criminal convictions.

If the laws are changed for Leeds then it will another case of "it was only litte Blackburn, so it doesn't matter".

How do they do a F&P test on consortiums? No-one knows who actually owns Leeds at the moment I don't think apart from it being an off-shore entity.

Well it appears this guy has criminal convictions? So not the same as Venky's I guess.

On your last point, who owns them, and this also covers perthblues below. In my business if we want to do business with another company we have to establish all of: Who are the beneficial owners of the entity (i.e. over 25%) - if this is another company then we have to keep going up the line until we identify all individuals who are, in effect, beneficial owners. We also have to identify everybody who can excercise control over the company - which is usually directors and, for bigger clients, senior managers. This is all part of our requirements under the anti money laundering regultations - and if we can't ID them we can end up with a serious case against us, and me individually.

We have nowhere near the resources of the FL (total number of employees in the company is 6!) - I just cannot understand how they are able to abdicate their responsibility on this - in the end it should be easy - give us a full list of everybody who owns this club, including who owns any companies that own a significant stake or we will refuse to ratify this sale!

THE Football league's excuse in the documentary How to buy a Football club was they did not have the resources to Investigate who the owners of clubs are, even ones that had been dead for 12 months and still listed as owners when the programme was made. It;s a pity the Government don't do a fit and proper investigation on the FA , Premier League and The Football League

Looks like Leeds could end up with another roller coaster ride with an even worse ending than the one Ridsdale managed to lead them to.

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Imo there needs to be far greater protection afforded to clubs, and penalties for bad owners to stop them cutting and running.

Far too many Portsmouths amongst the 92 and beyond.

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I think that the criteria for passing the test are different for Premier League clubs to Football League clubs. Which will presumably be their excuse if they veto the Leeds takeover after what has gone on in the past at Blackburn/Portsmouth.

Lets suppose they decide not to approve it on the basis that this Italian bloke has a conviction for fraud. Surely then he could appeal/take some sort of action to challenge the decision? If he has invested time and money into a lengthy takeover bid, which is being prevented on the basis of an offence committed in a different country more than a decade ago, and he has since had a reasonably successful spell running Cagliari, how can they really stop him buying the club?

Anyhow, for me its just refreshing that for the first time in 3.5 years there is a club in more turmoil/chaos than ourselves, and its interesting watching from afar how the media and wider world react now it is the ever popular Leeds in trouble rather than Blackburn. I expect the League will probably come with the story of how they have considered his criminal past but feel that if they didn't agree to it then the club would go bust/into administration. Similar to how they agreed to the destruction of Wimbledon on the basis that if they didn't agree to MK Dons then the club would go bust anyway, and how they agreed to Coventry moving to Northampton because the owners had made 'guarantees' to them.

Its all just a ruse to make it appear as though they are trying to protect clubs.

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I won't disagree with you there Gordon. A lot of foreign owners just want to get Premier League TV money and act the big man for the media. The exception being Abramovich who uses his high profile club as protection against Putin stealing his assets and putting him in prison.

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I won't disagree with you there Gordon. A lot of foreign owners just want to get Premier League TV money and act the big man for the media. The exception being Abramovich who uses his high profile club as protection against Putin stealing his assets and putting him in prison.

No difference. Too many buying a football club for non footballing reasons.
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That's certainly true. Despite the hype, there was a large gulf in quality between the sides in the meetings from 2000 - 2010.

The three 1-1 draws since you came down reflect where we are now, two championship clubs with a couple of players each who will end up in the Prem, the rest are where they should be.

I'd take us maintaining our 4 year unbeaten run in derbies and another point towards promotion.

Before each game over the last few years I've thought - " Well the Dingles will never have a better chance of beating us than they have now ". Each time I think " We've never been so weak on and off the field as we are now, certainly since the 1970's ". Guess what, each time you don't take advantage of those weaknesses. My theory why - the pressure Burnley fans put on their players is too much for them to carry. Fans like you are the monkey on their backs.

On current form you'll go into the next game as favourites, can your players carry that load ? We'll soon find out.

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