[Archived] The Championship 2013/14

[SoldierMo]

If we can keep hold of these players think well be better for it nx season that burnley squad is not so different from last season

[yoda's brother]

Jesus. Talk about positive thinking from some. Its pathetic sometimes.

In spite of tonight's results we are still only 4 points off the play-offs. Nearer than we were this time last week. There are 48 points left to play for.

Whilst the doom and gloom mongers on here have already written our season off with a third of it left to play do you think supporters of clubs like Wigan and Leeds have thrown in the towel and are now worrying about next season instead?

As a rough marker, this time last season Bolton were fifth bottom. They missed out on the play offs by one point.

We still have to play QPR, Burnley, Wigan, Brighton, Leicester and Ipswich at home. Whilst our away games appear to be mainly against the sides in the bottom half.

No season ever ends in February. Whilst I don't personally think we will get in the play-offs, it can happen. I just wish there was a bit more positivity from some. At least one team always starts to falter and drops away, whilst there is always at least one team who comes with a good run.

Its impossible to compare Dyche to Bowyer. Dyche has been a manager for longer, has had nowhere near the turmoil to deal with that Bowyer has. Bowyer has had to build his own squad from scratch in a short space of time whilst Dyche has inherited a settled squad put together over a number of years. Oh, and lets just remember, Dyche hasn't achieved anything yet. If they go up then well done, but you don't win anything being second at this stage.

And if people want Bowyer to emulate what Dyche has done, they would do well to remember that the main reason Burnley have been doing so well this season has been because of their defensive organisation and solidarity. Very rarely do they give a lead away. Supporters were moaning at Dyche last season for being negative. So all those having a go at Bowyer for not being adventurous enough could do with paying more attention to the fabulous model Burnley have followed.

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[LDRover]

Jesus. Talk about positive thinking from some. Its pathetic sometimes.

In spite of tonight's results we are still only 4 points off the play-offs. Nearer than we were this time last week. There are 48 points left to play for.

Whilst the doom and gloom mongers on here have already written our season off with a third of it left to play do you think supporters of clubs like Wigan and Leeds have thrown in the towel and are now worrying about next season instead?

As a rough marker, this time last season Bolton were fifth bottom. They missed out on the play offs by one point.

We still have to play QPR, Burnley, Wigan, Brighton, Leicester and Ipswich at home. Whilst our away games appear to be mainly against the sides in the bottom half.

No season ever ends in February. Whilst I don't personally think we will get in the play-offs, it can happen. I just wish there was a bit more positivity from some. At least one team always starts to falter and drops away, whilst there is always at least one team who comes with a good run.

Its impossible to compare Dyche to Bowyer. Dyche has been a manager for longer, has had nowhere near the turmoil to deal with that Bowyer has. Bowyer has had to build his own squad from scratch in a short space of time whilst Dyche has inherited a settled squad put together over a number of years. Oh, and lets just remember, Dyche hasn't achieved anything yet. If they go up then well done, but you don't win anything being second at this stage.

And if people want Bowyer to emulate what Dyche has done, they would do well to remember that the main reason Burnley have been doing so well this season has been because of their defensive organisation and solidarity. Very rarely do they give a lead away. Supporters were moaning at Dyche last season for being negative. So all those having a go at Bowyer for not being adventurous enough could do with paying more attention to the fabulous model Burnley have followed.

Dyche had to replace his top scorer in Austin, main central midfielder in McCann and goalkeeper at the start of the season. That's hardly a settled squad.

Ings was an unknown quantity and Vokes hardly played before this season so he never even got to invest the 4 million he got for Charlie the hod. Jones was free and so was Heaton, the latter being quite possibly the best keeper in the division.

Bowyer, for all the turmoil surrounding the club has still had far more cash available to him and been able to call on a former England keeper, an 8 million pound striker and a centre half that we spent between 2 and 6 million on, depending on who you believe.

Like I said earlier, he's steadied the ship and he's not Steve Kean but is he really doing well??

[Stuart]

Like I said earlier, he's steadied the ship and he's not Steve Kean but is he really doing well??

I've been saying this for a while. For me his contribution can only be considered progress if he has time to deliver next season. We have turned over two full squads in the last two years, and @#/? away a shed load of cash paying off overpaid dross.

If Bowyer has time then it either means Venkys are continuing to fund us (why?) or their are continuing to saddle us with more and more toxic debt (God help us).

If he doesn't have time and the gamble has been promotion in the cheap THIS season then, no, he isn't the right man. Promotion chasing teams need to build momentum, through form, through wins. Bowyer is simply scared to lose. Maybe that is a good philosophy for developing confidence in the youth teams, or ressies but out in the harsh conditions of a very competitive Championship, winning at all costs is far more important.

Bowyer is doing what he is good at. Building a team, developing players, for the future. Let's hope we have one.

[Tyrone Shoelaces]

Dyche had to replace his top scorer in Austin, main central midfielder in McCann and goalkeeper at the start of the season. That's hardly a settled squad.

Ings was an unknown quantity and Vokes hardly played before this season so he never even got to invest the 4 million he got for Charlie the hod. Jones was free and so was Heaton, the latter being quite possibly the best keeper in the division.

Bowyer, for all the turmoil surrounding the club has still had far more cash available to him and been able to call on a former England keeper, an 8 million pound striker and a centre half that we spent between 2 and 6 million on, depending on who you believe.

Like I said earlier, he's steadied the ship and he's not Steve Kean but is he really doing well??[/quote

Very true. Nobody's bothered but us though. What would you rather have, the chicken chokers over here- interfering and keaning up or the chicken chokers over in India forgetting all about us and still keaning up ? Your choice.

[longsiders1882]

Great result for us, keeps us second and puts us 3 points ahead of QPR, albeit having played a game more - I'll take points on the board over games in hand any day! Also put a chink of light between us and Derby.

Still very tight for the top 6 spots. Wigan beginning to look ominous. With their squad, if they start flying I wouldn't fancy playing them in the play offs. Right now I expect Leicester and QPR to go up, us and Derby to make top 6 with 2 others from quite a few in the chasing pack.

All in all the championship is one again proving to be the most exciting league in England. It may lack the PL quality but, even in a relatively tight PL season like this one, it simply doesn't compete for excitement ! Probably because of the play offs to be fair.

[stanhillrover]

Sorry, I was being far too positive about things before. After having time to read the stuff on here I have come to my senses.

I think everyone from 8th-18th might as well give up for the season. They have no chance of making the play offs and won't go down, so best start planning for next season. The play offs are a race between the current top six and Ipswich/Brighton/Wigan but nobody else. Leicester are already up with 67 points so they need to prepare for the Premier League. Barnsley and Yeovil are relegated so their managers will be planning for League One.

Sounds good, but if you think that's how any club or most supporters will be thinking then you're away with the fairies. Again, I don't think we will make the play offs, but there's an awful long way to go before anyone can say we won't or can't.

I think some people on here enjoy putting themselves and their club down. Dyche has had very little to 'deal with' at Burnley. The vast majority of their current squad was at the club before he got there. The 'super duo' of Ings and Vokes being the prime examples.

I would say replacing three players as Dyche has had to do is in a different league to the wholesale reconstruction of an entire squad that Bowyer has had to carry out. I can't be bothered going through the names, but if you can't appreciate the differing circumstances that Bowyer has inherited at Rovers to the comparative stability at Burnley that Dyche walked into then fine.

Part of the problem this season is that Bowyer hasn't been able to call on the former England keeper, and hence we spent the first half of the season struggling along with Kean and Eastwood. Remarkable now Robinson is back in the fold that we can go away from home and stop teams scoring.

If you're questioning whether or not Bowyer is doing well at Rovers you clearly haven't watched them very much over the last few years. Anyone who has witnessed the last 4 years will say Bowyer has done a superb job, on and off the pitch.

Harry Redknapp has had more money and far more stability than Bowyer, yet they are behind Burnley. Are you going to question his managerial ability?

[West Yorks Rover]

Great result for us, keeps us second and puts us 3 points ahead of QPR, albeit having played a game more - I'll take points on the board over games in hand any day! Also put a chink of light between us and Derby.

Still very tight for the top 6 spots. Wigan beginning to look ominous. With their squad, if they start flying I wouldn't fancy playing them in the play offs. Right now I expect Leicester and QPR to go up, us and Derby to make top 6 with 2 others from quite a few in the chasing pack.

All in all the championship is one again proving to be the most exciting league in England. It may lack the PL quality but, even in a relatively tight PL season like this one, it simply doesn't compete for excitement ! Probably because of the play offs to be fair.

I reckon you should now be considered favourites for 2nd spot, Harry will be ridiculed when QPR lose in the play-offs,too.

Forest win play-offs !

Mancs dingles to be relegated, poor auld Doogie !!!

[longsiders1882]

I don't know West Yorks. Bournemouth away then we have Forest, Derby then you lot. Could easily be a pointless run of games - at Forest and Derby are at home, gives us a chance at least.

A lot of football to go and anything can happen.

[Bucksrover]

Jesus. Talk about positive thinking from some. Its pathetic sometimes.

In spite of tonight's results we are still only 4 points off the play-offs. Nearer than we were this time last week. There are 48 points left to play for.

Whilst the doom and gloom mongers on here have already written our season off with a third of it left to play do you think supporters of clubs like Wigan and Leeds have thrown in the towel and are now worrying about next season instead?

As a rough marker, this time last season Bolton were fifth bottom. They missed out on the play offs by one point.

We still have to play QPR, Burnley, Wigan, Brighton, Leicester and Ipswich at home. Whilst our away games appear to be mainly against the sides in the bottom half.

No season ever ends in February. Whilst I don't personally think we will get in the play-offs, it can happen. I just wish there was a bit more positivity from some. At least one team always starts to falter and drops away, whilst there is always at least one team who comes with a good run.

Its impossible to compare Dyche to Bowyer. Dyche has been a manager for longer, has had nowhere near the turmoil to deal with that Bowyer has. Bowyer has had to build his own squad from scratch in a short space of time whilst Dyche has inherited a settled squad put together over a number of years. Oh, and lets just remember, Dyche hasn't achieved anything yet. If they go up then well done, but you don't win anything being second at this stage.

And if people want Bowyer to emulate what Dyche has done, they would do well to remember that the main reason Burnley have been doing so well this season has been because of their defensive organisation and solidarity. Very rarely do they give a lead away. Supporters were moaning at Dyche last season for being negative. So all those having a go at Bowyer for not being adventurous enough could do with paying more attention to the fabulous model Burnley have followed.

A good post in my opinion.

[West Yorks Rover]

I don't know West Yorks. Bournemouth away then we have Forest, Derby then you lot. Could easily be a pointless run of games - at Forest and Derby are at home, gives us a chance at least.

A lot of football to go and anything can happen.

I reckon you'll beat B/mouth, draw with Forest and beat Derby = 7 pts not bad, point against us, if you're lucky !

Dunny rolls back the years once more and the DE toilets take another battering !

[Steve Moss]

If Bowyer has time then it either means Venkys are continuing to fund us (why?) or their are continuing to saddle us with more and more toxic debt (God help us).

In my personal opinion only, I believe the owners now realize they've been taken to the cleaners by certain former "friends". I think they also know that the supporters were on the right track and tried to warn the owners but were ignored.

Say what you will about the Roas, I think they have a lot of pride. And that pride may be requiring them to repair the damage, so they aren't ultimately labeled failures and/or dupes. They want to succeed, they want to prove themselves. If so, I heartily approve, especially as I think they're slowly getting the right mix of stable management, prudent investment, trimming the wage bill and, slowly providing competence at the board level. I still question Shelfie and I wish the last two years had not occurred the way the did, but the past is past and I think they're getting there.

Forest win play-offs !

I'm sorry but the Rovers will be winning the play-offs. It is known.

[West Yorks Rover]

In my personal opinion only, I believe the owners now realize they've been taken to the cleaners by certain former "friends". I think they also know that the supporters were on the right track and tried to warn the owners but were ignored.

Say what you will about the Roas, I think they have a lot of pride. And that pride may be requiring them to repair the damage, so they aren't ultimately labeled failures and/or dupes. They want to succeed, they want to prove themselves. If so, I heartily approve, especially as I think they're slowly getting the right mix of stable management, prudent investment, trimming the wage bill and, slowly providing competence at the board level. I still question Shelfie and I wish the last two years had not occurred the way the did, but the past is past and I think they're getting there.

I'm sorry but the Rovers will be winning the play-offs. It is known.

Have you been out in the desert again today without your hat on ?

[BrisRover]

In my personal opinion only, I believe the owners now realize they've been taken to the cleaners by certain former "friends". I think they also know that the supporters were on the right track and tried to warn the owners but were ignored.

Say what you will about the Roas, I think they have a lot of pride. And that pride may be requiring them to repair the damage, so they aren't ultimately labeled failures and/or dupes. They want to succeed, they want to prove themselves. If so, I heartily approve, especially as I think they're slowly getting the right mix of stable management, prudent investment, trimming the wage bill and, slowly providing competence at the board level. I still question Shelfie and I wish the last two years had not occurred the way the did, but the past is past and I think they're getting there.

I'm sorry but the Rovers will be winning the play-offs. It is known.

Good Post. I agree with this entirely

[Steve Moss]

Have you been out in the desert again today without your hat on ?

On a near constant basis.

[thenodrog]

In my personal opinion only, I believe the owners now realize they've been taken to the cleaners by certain former "friends". I think they also know that the supporters were on the right track and tried to warn the owners but were ignored.

Say what you will about the Roas, I think they have a lot of pride. And that pride may be requiring them to repair the damage, so they aren't ultimately labeled failures and/or dupes. They want to succeed, they want to prove themselves. If so, I heartily approve, especially as I think they're slowly getting the right mix of stable management, prudent investment, trimming the wage bill and, slowly providing competence at the board level. I still question Shelfie and I wish the last two years had not occurred the way the did, but the past is past and I think they're getting there.

I'm sorry but the Rovers will be winning the play-offs. It is known.

You were doing pretty well until your final sentence!

Crikey .. I think I'm turning into a bigger pessimist than longsider.

[LDRover]

Harry Redknapp has had more money and far more stability than Bowyer, yet they are behind Burnley. Are you going to question his managerial ability?

Actually yes.

It's something I've done ever since the Southern based media made him into some kind of managerial genius.

[longsiders1882]

You were doing pretty well until your final sentence!

Crikey .. I think I'm turning into a bigger pessimist than longsider.

I'm a pragmatist not a pessimist :-) - either way at least I'm protected from the vagaries of my teams performances

[riverside returns]

In my personal opinion only, I believe the owners now realize they've been taken to the cleaners by certain former "friends". I think they also know that the supporters were on the right track and tried to warn the owners but were ignored.

Say what you will about the Roas, I think they have a lot of pride. And that pride may be requiring them to repair the damage, so they aren't ultimately labeled failures and/or dupes. They want to succeed, they want to prove themselves. If so, I heartily approve, especially as I think they're slowly getting the right mix of stable management, prudent investment, trimming the wage bill and, slowly providing competence at the board level. I still question Shelfie and I wish the last two years had not occurred the way the did, but the past is past and I think they're getting there.

I'm sorry but the Rovers will be winning the play-offs. It is known.

I agree with this post also, talks sense and perhaps understands the psychie of the Indian family. They have great pride and would not want to be seen as failures so will do what they think it takes to put the wrongs right.

[Jimmy612]

I reckon you'll beat B/mouth, draw with Forest and beat Derby = 7 pts not bad, point against us, if you're lucky !

Dunny rolls back the years once more and the DE toilets take another battering !

God not again surely. Wonder when fans (from both sides) will realise that any major damages will be costed to the guilty party.

Thick as two short planks some folk aren't they. In fact - Burnley must pray for the Rovers fans to keep smashing their place to bits - new toilets every year.

[Leonard Venkhater]

I agree with this post also, talks sense and perhaps understands the psychie of the Indian family. They have great pride and would not want to be seen as failures so will do what they think it takes to put the wrongs right.

You may be right, but what are youactually basing this on? I hope you are right, but the fact is zilch communication means we just don't know. When did they learn? Before Shebby Singh...when Kean and Anderson had already taken us down? After Snowballgate?

[ABBEY]

In my personal opinion only, I believe the owners now realize they've been taken to the cleaners by certain former "friends". I think they also know that the supporters were on the right track and tried to warn the owners but were ignored.

Say what you will about the Roas, I think they have a lot of pride. And that pride may be requiring them to repair the damage, so they aren't ultimately labeled failures and/or dupes. They want to succeed, they want to prove themselves. If so, I heartily approve, especially as I think they're slowly getting the right mix of stable management, prudent investment, trimming the wage bill and, slowly providing competence at the board level. I still question Shelfie and I wish the last two years had not occurred the way the did, but the past is past and I think they're getting there.

I'm sorry but the Rovers will be winning the play-offs. It is known.

You base all this on. ?

There's more chance of proving heaven exists. Mind you at least the pope and priest communicate and have some sort of plan .

Duped?damage repearing?

THE PAST IS NOT THE PAST . They have set us up in the PAST to go bang in the future .

VENKYSCUM is what they were in the past , present & future.

[TBTF]

You base all this on. ?

There's more chance of proving heaven exists. Mind you at least the pope and priest communicate and have some sort of plan .

Duped?damage repearing?

THE PAST IS NOT THE PAST . They have set us up in the PAST to go bang in the future .

VENKYSCUM is what they were in the past , present & future.

yep agree Abbey....Prudent investment?? Competence at Board level?? we are losing fortunes still ,no matter which way its dressed up and we 've ended up with a team that is mid table Championship and no more.There is nothing to suggest that we will have a better chance next year or ever actually when you consider the advantage we had under our 2 years parachute money being p1ssed away.

they have ruined the Club ; it is a shadow of what it still ought to be and in the absence of any words from anywhere about where this is all heading it never ceases to amaze that people are thinking its on the mend and we are getting to grips with it all.

Moving from a decent mid table PL Club to a cancer ridden , sub standard Championship side has been ''achieved,'' at a cost of tens of millions and decimating the fan base and general interest in the Club from the Town.

They have been a disaster, remain a disaster and show no signs of being anything else.We are stacked up on a heap of debt that will implode at any time.

[ABBEY]

Indeed .. Reported losses of 2/3 million a month . I will give venkys due and respect on one thing . The dupees have duped and brainwashed many a rovers fan .

[Leonard Venkhater]

You base all this on. ?

There's more chance of proving heaven exists. Mind you at least the pope and priest communicate and have some sort of plan .

Duped?damage repearing?

THE PAST IS NOT THE PAST . They have set us up in the PAST to go bang in the future .

VENKYSCUM is what they were in the past , present & future.

OMG! Depending who you see in which role, you may be closer than you think with that image. Hans Kung and others think popes were covering up the deeds of some priests. As we all know, things have definitely gone on here that significant people don't want out in the open.