[Archived] Clearout begins at Rovers

[T.J.Newton]

Young Ryan Edwards has gone out on loan to chesterfield for a month, I thought he and O'Connel(who went out on loan yesterday) would be closer to the 1st team this year, I can see that Songo'o fella signing by the end of the week(especially if he plays and does well tonight).

[The Rover of Finland]

Young Ryan Edwards has gone out on loan to chesterfield for a month, I thought he and O'Connel(who went out on loan yesterday) would be closer to the 1st team this year, I can see that Songo'o fella signing by the end of the week(especially if he plays and does well tonight).

Think he won´t get a deal unless Givet goes. I highly doubt neither Edwards or O´Connell are top prospects.

[T.J.Newton]

Think he won´t get a deal unless Givet goes. I highly doubt neither Edwards or O´Connell are top prospects.

quite the contrary to what I've heard, both have had plenty of bigger clubs sniffing around them.

[JAL]

quite the contrary to what I've heard, both have had plenty of bigger clubs sniffing around them.

Their agent has obviously been putting out the stories for his and his clients benefit, thats football today.

[RockinRover]

Bowyer's obviously given them a chance in pre-season and perhaps they haven't done badly but they've not done enough either so they're going out on loan to hopefully prove themselves.

[The Rover of Finland]

Agents have to their job now as there is now lick lipper comparing youngsters to world class stars.

[JAL]

so they're going out on loan to hopefully prove themselves.

Drop the first bit rockin, this bit hits the nail on the head.

[thenodrog]

Why not give him a new contract? It worked with Robbo and he'll never leaves us. Givet had some heart problems but so what. Williamson can't even kick the ball as his old back problem is here again. That didn't stop us giving the extension. Dunn..never mind.

Depends what the insurance company say I'd have thought.

[Commondore]

Their agent has obviously been putting out the stories for his and his clients benefit, thats football today.

If so, how come not every youth player in our entire club (and the country, for that matter) are inventing stories about bigger clubs sniffing around them? Are O'Connel's and Edwards' agents the only ones in Britain who have invented and mastered this devilish tactic?

[Rover_Shaun]

Its all about plausibility. For example who would believe anyone would come sniffing around Lowe?

[blue_n_white99]

Is it right that we are paying Givet to leave? WTF happened to transfers?

We really are screwed up, other teams are paid for their players, yet our clown academy of a hierarchy gave such good contracts no one else can afford them, no wonder we are deep in the poo.

[Blue blood]

Is it right that we are paying Givet to leave? WTF happened to transfers?

We really are screwed up, other teams are paid for their players, yet our clown academy of a hierarchy gave such good contracts no one else can afford them, no wonder we are deep in the poo.

Absolutely. Especially given that with the right management and scouting players are replaceable. And given that even under competent management we've been a trading club, to prevent us from trading is utterly suicidal. Shows how screwed up the senior management has been at the club for the past few years.

[Muddboy]

Givet is (once again) coming across as a bit of a git.

Okay, he's got a year on his contract. But Livorno want him and we're happy to let him go for free.

Why is he expecting us to pay him off before he goes and signs for Livorno – a club he obviously wants to join?

I can't get my head around it.

[DavidMailsTightPerm]

Is it right that we are paying Givet to leave? WTF happened to transfers?

We really are screwed up, other teams are paid for their players, yet our clown academy of a hierarchy gave such good contracts no one else can afford them, no wonder we are deep in the poo.

How do you know that it was Venky's that set up the contract. By all accounts he was on a relegation clause. Why not have a go at greedy footballers - as much as our inept owners. Givet has been paid very well by Rovers for a number of years - and they supported him when he had his heart problems - but all along he (or his agent) just comes across as constantly whinging when the average fan could only dream of earning what he does each year.

[thenodrog]

Is it right that we are paying Givet to leave? WTF happened to transfers?

We really are screwed up, other teams are paid for their players, yet our clown academy of a hierarchy gave such good contracts no one else can afford them, no wonder we are deep in the poo.

Hence my insistance for a number of years that evergreen short term but highly paid contracts are the way forward. These days long term contracts are advisable in very few cases and represent a fools charter for so many clubs.

This club has been right royally screwed over by inept leadership from the top which allowed for all manner of swindles and scams. The only problem I have is that I didn't think of doing it before Dastardly and Muttley. Hats off to them for their opportunism. I would have loved a millionaire lifestyle and a big fat pension courtesy of the Venkymob.

Givet is (once again) coming across as a bit of a git.

Okay, he's got a year on his contract. But Livorno want him and we're happy to let him go for free.

Why is he expecting us to pay him off before he goes and signs for Livorno – a club he obviously wants to join?

I can't get my head around it.

Obviously cos Livorno wont pay him as much as we are doing, hence grounds for starting negotiation. A lucrative but short term evergreen contract would have avoided much of that. In fact he'd have gone long ago and not stuck around with his hand out for a season or two.

Time for football clubs to grow some balls. We might lose the odd good player now we are in the lower leagues but virtually every player on our books can be quickly and adequately replaced if we offer high enough wages.

[blue_n_white99]

How do you know that it was Venky's that set up the contract. By all accounts he was on a relegation clause. Why not have a go at greedy footballers - as much as our inept owners. Givet has been paid very well by Rovers for a number of years - and they supported him when he had his heart problems - but all along he (or his agent) just comes across as constantly whinging when the average fan could only dream of earning what he does each year.

I didn't mention Venkys, although they are the chief instigators of our current demise and as owners bear the overall responsibility for the dung heap we are in. But I agree Givet is a greedy, self-centred tool but the management gave him the possibility to be this way with the contract he was on. Personally I would let him rot before I would pay him off, and whilst financially this may not be the best move, it would set the bar for other players.

[Baz]

Cant blame the guy, he's making sure he gets paid at the same rate for the next 12 months. Would you move jobs for less money than your on, if you dont have to?

Wouldnt be a problem at all if he was playing every week, as he's more than good enough to do.

[blueboy3333]

Cant blame the guy, he's making sure he gets paid at the same rate for the next 12 months. Would you move jobs for less money than your on, if you dont have to?

Wouldnt be a problem at all if he was playing every week, as he's more than good enough to do.

If i refused to do my job (which Givet has on at least 2 occasions) because my 'head wasn't right' then i would expect the sack, not a pay-off. Also, what other job would allow you to slag your employers off in the media? It's such a bogus and simplistic argument when people trot out the 'football's just like any other job' bobbins. It really isn't. Givet should be called what he is, a pampered shirker.

[ABBEY]

If i refused to do my job (which Givet has on at least 2 occasions) because my 'head wasn't right' then i would expect the sack, not a pay-off. Also, what other job would allow you to slag your employers off in the media? It's such a bogus and simplistic argument when people trot out the 'football's just like any other job' bobbins. It really isn't. Givet should be called what he is, a pampered shirker.

Venkys deserve slagging do they not ... They gave him his contract and if my employees didn't pay me what they promised me I'd take them to court.

[blueboy3333]

Venkys deserve slagging do they not ... They gave him his contract and if my employees didn't pay me what they promised me I'd take them to court.

he refused to play whilst under contract. The contract he was given, that he gladly signed, won't have said 'play when you feel like it'. Will it?

[ABBEY]

Would you play an injured or player with problems ?

[thenodrog]

If i refused to do my job (which Givet has on at least 2 occasions) because my 'head wasn't right' then i would expect the sack, not a pay-off.

Rather a simplistic viewpoint. He's had documented heart problems so all he needs is a professional medical opinion that he has been psychologically affected by it (Muamba as a prime example) and you would end up on the losing side in court.

[roversfan99]

Did he definitely refuse to play, or was that just a rumour? Not sure if it was confirmed.

[G Somerset Rover]

Did he definitely refuse to play, or was that just a rumour? Not sure if it was confirmed.

Well he definitely stormed off on a couple of occasions midway through the match, with Charlton away last season being a prime example.

There's being passionate, and then there's being an unprofessional @#/?. Givet seems to fall into the latter on too many occasions. That being said, you can't blame any player for trying to get a golden handshake off us when they've got distance left to run on their deals. Deals that these idiots in charge lucratively handed out to them like confetti.

[Roverthechimp]

Before this ends up as yet another venkys bashing thread it might be worth pointing out that if indeed it was the current owners who agreed his current deal then they did at least include a relegation clause and all this is demonstrating is how dangerous our policy of being one of the highest wage payers (for "average" players) during the previous and current regimes.

Of course we can bitch that it is ridiculous but how else should we have kept our players? Looking at it pragmatically i see the seeds of the problem in the previous regime and then our current owners being naive/crooked/foolish (choose your favourite) to continue that policy before finally realising just how @#/? we are.

All that said - Givet was a good player for us a for a while but hasn't given a @#/? about rovers for 2 - 3 years - some of it down to the clowns we have had as managers but part of it down to himself/his agent.