[Archived] Clearout begins at Rovers

[Salgado Is A Hero]

Wasn't that just Plops and Mercerman? Hardly the most reputable of ITKs (no offence),

[donnermeat]

nobody is saying anything is easy, its just a discussion and all hypothetical(I think that's the right word ) but you just make chippy comments if that's all you have to offer.

Apologies if you feel I was getting at you, I wasn't, it was just in general. I just happened to use your scenario as that was the one that stuck out to me at the time.

Of all the things that haven't worked out well on the playing side of things, I'm of the belief that the holes in Rhodes' game are pretty low on the list of priorities that need sorting.

[Tyrone Shoelaces]

its astounding that clubs like Swansea and cardiff are willing to gamble on foreign, unproven players such as bony and the Danish guy and yet not willing to stump up less for a proven, English (yes I said English) player like Rhodes, albeit he hasn't yet shown himself at the top level but neither have the aforementioned players.

What that tells me is those clubs don't think he can play at the top level. I think they're right.

[broxi74]

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[blueboy3333]

Broxi74 is quiet tonight.

[Salgado Is A Hero]

its astounding that clubs like Swansea and cardiff are willing to gamble on foreign, unproven players such as bony and the Danish guy and yet not willing to stump up less for a proven, English (yes I said English) player like Rhodes, albeit he hasn't yet shown himself at the top level but neither have the aforementioned players.

It's not astounding at all imo. Rhodes isn't even the best striker in the division, again imo, I'd say Chris Wood is. Rhodes is Scottish btw, he says so himself. I don't remember the English referring to Pietersen, Strauss, the other half of the English cricket team, Hargreaves, Mo Farah, John Barnes, Rusedski and all the rest as foreign so you can't have it both ways.

Bony has proven his quality internationally and in the Dutch and Czech leagues. Cornelius I'd never heard of but similarly, I'd wager the Danish league is of a higher standard than the Championship. I know you're a bit xenophobic but playing in the league below "The Best League in the World" doesn't make Rhodes even the slightest bit proven.

He has major flaws to his game and I'm not surprised nobody has come in for him at that price.

[Mani]

It's not astounding at all imo. Rhodes isn't even the best striker in the division, again imo, I'd say Chris Wood is. Rhodes is Scottish btw, he says so himself. I don't remember the English referring to Pietersen, Strauss, the other half of the English cricket team, Hargreaves, Mo Farah, John Barnes, Rusedski and all the rest as foreign so you can't have it both ways.

Bony has proven his quality internationally and in the Dutch and Czech leagues. Cornelius I'd never heard of but similarly, I'd wager the Danish league is of a higher standard than the Championship. I know you're a bit xenophobic but playing in the league below "The Best League in the World" doesn't make Rhodes even the slightest bit proven.

He has major flaws to his game and I'm not surprised nobody has come in for him at that price.

My word sir you talk some sense! I litterally could not agree more!

[Silencio]

its astounding that clubs like Swansea and cardiff are willing to gamble on foreign, unproven players such as bony and the Danish guy and yet not willing to stump up less for a proven, English (yes I said English) player like Rhodes, albeit he hasn't yet shown himself at the top level but neither have the aforementioned players.

From what I've seen of Bony he looks like a better player than Rhodes any day of the week. Having said that, not sure I'd sell Rhodes as it would take all our goals away. Who would we replace him with?

[Jimmy612]

I'm going to have to butt in again there jimmy. It's not Rhodes' fault the rest of the team is crap. You put a less prolific striker than him in last season's side without any improvements elsewhere, you go down it's as simple as that. (1)

If you spend say 2 -3m on a lesser striker then have 5-6 m to spend on the rest of the side, how far do you really think that goes?. The chances are just as good that you'll completely waste the money on three or four duckeggs as transform the fortunes of the side. (2)

If the choice was something like Rhodes and last years side against say Billy Sharp, Fabregas and Gerrard you'd have a point. But it isn't. The unknown players would be a complete gamble who might not come off.

If it was as easy as you say, how come our fortunes didn't take off when Shearer was sold out the end of the 1996 season? 15m - British transfer record at the time - . That should have been more than enough to build a strong all round side. Instead we were relegated inside two seasons. It doesn't just work like that and it's not such an obvious route to go down as you're making out. (3)

Right. Nothing whatsoever to do with the fact that you refuse to admit Venky's could make a decent signing then?

(1) absolutely correct, it's not his fault. Please see my post referring to cherry on a cake made of sawdust. Signing Rhodes was Fantasy Football stuff. Completely ignoring the serious flaws in our side.

(2) What are you picking unknown players for? The first thing I'd have done when we came down is built a solid spine, handpicking 2 or 3 leaders with Championship experience. Please refer to Harry Redknapps transfer activity for further details.

(3) Strange comparison. The greatest player ever to wear a BRFC shirt and Jordan Rhodes - anyway. I would suggest one is much easier to replace than the other - I suppose it all depends on how much you trust your manager and scouting team. A problem that we have had since Allardyce left.

The fact is that last summer we p*ssed away any chance of being promoted by throwing money at old has-beens chasing a last pay day, and one striker whom we foolishly expected to win us the league. Football is not and never has been a one man game. There's a reason that strikers like Rhodes are often sat on the bench for 60minutes of the match. Because they provide an inbalance to the side.

Now the reason that I wouldn't sell Rhodes if a £5-6m offer came in - I don't believe for a second that GB would see a single penny of it. Therefore we must battle on. Trying to build a team around a lad who doesn't suit our formation - Shebby and Kean made our bed and now we've got to lie in it. Scrapping around hoping for a free transfer.

Rhodes will score 18+ goals this season, but the serious lack of any other aspect of his game is incredibly infuriating to watch. No pace, no strength, not good in the air and couldn't trap a wet sandbag. Can't run the channels, can't play back to goal and can't beat a man. I just cannot see him ever being PL quality, and that's why we will never re-coup anything like the ridiculous fee we splashed out for him. The lads a trier, a model professional and is superb in front of goal. Unfortunately that isn't enough at top level football anymore.

Oh and Rev, you know I always like to peddle this one out A list of players that have scored 23+ goals in the Championship and their respective trasnfer fees (brackets represent age at time of purchase).

Glen Murray – free (29)

Charlie Austin – Undisclosed (21)

Marlon King - 500,000 (24)

Rickie Lambert - 1million (27)

Grant Holt – Undisclosed (27)

Kevin Doyle – £117,000 (21)

Jamie Cureton – Free (30)

Michael Chopra - £500,000 (23)

Kevin Philips - £350,000 (23)

Sylvan Ebanks-Blake – 1.5million (22)

Jason Scotland – 25,000 (28)

Ross McCormack – Free (21)

Nicky Maynard - £2.25m (21)

Shane Long – Free (18)

Danny Graham - £200,000 (23)

Scott Sinclair – 500,000 (rising to £1m)

Ricardo Vaz te – Undisclosed (25)

Jordan Rhodes- £8million (22)

[bob fleming]

Can someone show me the wisdom of the Lancashire Telegraph / Derek Shaw running with the story on the back page today stating that if Premier League clubs come in for our star players, they may well have to let them go? (they showed pictures of Rhodes and Dann - I presume they showed Dann as they needed a plural)

OK - this may well be the case and they may want to leave should a PL club come in, but this is the day before the first home game of the season, the day when perhaps a few more fans may go down to the club and buy a season ticket. Such headlines will hardly help.

Talk about whipping up excitement eh? Just thought it was strange timing to say the least.

[Jimmy612]

Can someone show me the wisdom of the Lancashire Telegraph / Derek Shaw running with the story on the back page today stating that if Premier League clubs come in for our star players, they may well have to let them go? (they showed pictures of Rhodes and Dann - I presume they showed Dann as they needed a plural)

OK - this may well be the case and they may want to leave should a PL club come in, but this is the day before the first home game of the season, the day when perhaps a few more fans may go down to the club and buy a season ticket. Such headlines will hardly help.

Talk about whipping up excitement eh? Just thought it was strange timing to say the least.

Uh oh, the Indians are calling for the cash. Bad news.

[rovers_rob]

Can someone show me the wisdom of the Lancashire Telegraph / Derek Shaw running with the story on the back page today stating that if Premier League clubs come in for our star players, they may well have to let them go? (they showed pictures of Rhodes and Dann - I presume they showed Dann as they needed a plural)

OK - this may well be the case and they may want to leave should a PL club come in, but this is the day before the first home game of the season, the day when perhaps a few more fans may go down to the club and buy a season ticket. Such headlines will hardly help.

Talk about whipping up excitement eh? Just thought it was strange timing to say the least.

I was just about to post something similar.

Some of the quotes that he has come out with are completely ludicrous.

"If a big club comes in for one of your players and they want to go to the PL sometimes it is difficult to stop that from happening"

"Players want to play at the highest level and you've seen that With Bale and Suarez"

Talking about the fringe players leaving ..

"We're looking at that, But then again you cannot always sell when you want".

"Sometimes if you're trying to sell somebody, people sense that and you don't get the right deal".

Buried in this wonderful "stating the obvious" article is a one liner saying..

finances will not force them to sell a star player if they are unable to move high earning fringe players - Maybe this should have been the headline ?

Its almost like he is trying to unsettle our best players.

We are not stupid and we know that big clubs could come in but to come out with statements like this before the first home game is a complete joke.

Well done LT and Derek.

Complete pointless article and I'm sure Venkys and GB won't be happy that our "rogue md" has come out with these stupid statements and that our local supportive newspaper has chosen to put that headline and a nice pic of Rhodes and Dann on the back page.

[Sparky Marky]

Can someone show me the wisdom of the Lancashire Telegraph / Derek Shaw running with the story on the back page today stating that if Premier League clubs come in for our star players, they may well have to let them go? (they showed pictures of Rhodes and Dann - I presume they showed Dann as they needed a plural)

OK - this may well be the case and they may want to leave should a PL club come in, but this is the day before the first home game of the season, the day when perhaps a few more fans may go down to the club and buy a season ticket. Such headlines will hardly help.

Talk about whipping up excitement eh? Just thought it was strange timing to say the least.

Sounds like a bit of PR before they are both sold.....Dann's more Premier League than Rhodes in my opinion.

[Rover_Shaun]

Dann's more Premier League than Rhodes in my opinion.

Is it April 1st???

[rovers_rob]

Sounds like a bit of PR before they are both sold.....Dann's more Premier League than Rhodes in my opinion.

Well if it is PR it's the worst PR in the history of PR.

What club in there right mind would come out with a "roll over and tickle my tummy" article like that.

Derek talks about Bale and Suarez. Ok Derek lets see what Spurs and Liverpool are saying ...

John W Henry - Suarez not for sale at any price.

Daniel Levy - Expressed serious reservations over whether Madid have the funds to buy him and refuses to meet them.

Derek Shaw (bear in mind no one has actually bid for our top players yet unlike the above that Derek referred to) - Well erm...we don't really want to sell our best players .but..erm...but it might be difficult to keep hold of them...

Will Suarez and Bale leave ? Probably. Will "big clubs " come in for Dann and Rhodes, again probably but come on Derek, don't make it easy for them.

[Jimmy612]

Well if it is PR it's the worst PR in the history of PR.

What club in there right mind would come out with a "roll over and tickle my tummy" article like that.

Derek talks about Bale and Suarez. Ok Derek lets see what Spurs and Liverpool are saying ...

John W Henry - Suarez not for sale at any price.

Daniel Levy - Expressed serious reservations over whether Madid have the funds to buy him and refuses to meet them.

Derek Shaw (bear in mind no one has actually bid for our top players yet unlike the above that Derek referred to) - Well erm...we don't really want to sell our best players .but..erm...but it might be difficult to keep hold of them...

Will Suarez and Bale leave ? Probably. Will "big clubs " come in for Dann and Rhodes, again probably but come on Derek, don't make it easy for them.

It's not PR - It's a message from above to get rid of our high earners.

This isn't BRFC trying to keep hold of players - it's trying to offload them and bring some cash in. I'd like to see Bowyers reaction to this. Looks like the rug is being pulled from under his feet already.

UNLESS of course he has had discussions and agreed to being able to use so much of the incoming cash on the squad.

Also - it looks very much to me (reading between lines) that Rovers have been open to the idea of selling Rhodes for some time, and theyve seen a couple of doors shut e.g. Hull. This is an attempt to prompt a little bit of action

[thenodrog]

Build a team around him...no point building a team with no focal point or end product to it

And should the quite strong possibility that he gets a long term injury occurr, what then? An overly expensive liability to our already meagre cash flow which would prob prevent us sourcing a replacement. Given our situation in the Championship we quite simply have too much capital tied up in Jordan Rhodes.

[thenodrog]

its astounding that clubs like Swansea and cardiff are willing to gamble on foreign, unproven players such as bony and the Danish guy and yet not willing to stump up less for a proven, English (yes I said English) player like Rhodes, albeit he hasn't yet shown himself at the top level but neither have the aforementioned players.

Jordan Rhodes is a great sniffer but his weaknesses are glaring and will I believe prevent him figuring significantly in the Prem.

Still maintain we can't lose with Rhodes thanks to the length of his contract. Either a big bid comes in for him, or we've got him for a very long time. Either way we'll get our money's worth because the one thing you can guarantee is he'll keep scoring.

That is complete nonsense SKH for plenty of reasons. Loss of form and injury being the obvious ones.

[John]

Obviously we will need to wait until the next set of accounts is released to see for sure, but our financial situation must be of great concern.

Paying up/terminating contracts will also be costing us money.

I am sure if a suitable bid came in for any of our players we would have to sell - the need for some type of acceptable income coming into the club must be extremely high.

Not sure whats going to happen when the parachute payments dry up too

[den]

Obviously we will need to wait until the next set of accounts is released to see for sure, but our financial situation must be of great concern.

Paying up/terminating contracts will also be costing us money.

I am sure if a suitable bid came in for any of our players we would have to sell the need for some type of accetpable income coming into the club must be extremely high.

Not sure whats going to happen when the parachute payments dry up too

I do and it's going to be quite ugly. That's why I don't understand the fans who are quite happy with finishing half way in this league. For me this season is s..t or bust for our medium, maybe even long term future.

[blueboy3333]

The club is obviuosly accrueing debt, but the big unknown is who or what is covering it.

Is it being loaded on to the club's books, or is it being swallowed by the Brothers Grimm or one of their Companies? It seems to be generally accepted on here that it is the former, but does anyone know that with any certainty? Genuine question BTW before i get called a happy-clapper Venky motherlover.

[thenodrog]

Can someone show me the wisdom of the Lancashire Telegraph / Derek Shaw running with the story on the back page today stating that if Premier League clubs come in for our star players, they may well have to let them go? (they showed pictures of Rhodes and Dann - I presume they showed Dann as they needed a plural)

OK - this may well be the case and they may want to leave should a PL club come in, but this is the day before the first home game of the season, the day when perhaps a few more fans may go down to the club and buy a season ticket. Such headlines will hardly help.

Talk about whipping up excitement eh? Just thought it was strange timing to say the least.

Might be the eve of the 1st home match but it's also the time the transfer window is fully open. Truth is if a Prem club comes in it's not a matter of 'letting them go' it's a matter of we cant keep them. There is no point in dressing that up any other way. You've been on here for yonks Bob and I'm pretty certain that you will be a man to put honesty and pragmatism before bullshitand deceit. I do.

[den]

Shaw would say he's simply being honest about the situation. Maybe he's aware that there's a probability about it all and is preparing the fans- I don't know.

There's talk about Rhodes not being available unless a huge bid comes in, but I do know how Rovers would have handled that situation prior to Venky's taking over. If another club had come in offering Rhodes similar wages, they would have thought twice about accepting the offer. If however a club came in with a significant wage rise in the offing, Rovers would have tried to match those wages, or if they couldn't they would have got the best fee available. That always sounded a fair way of approaching things.

[Mani]

They're looking to sell Scott Dann simple as that...they've already paid for the reinforcements in Killgallon and songo so I can understand what he's doing...

[CAPT KAYOS]

as Theno says Rhodes weaknesses are glaringly obvious especially for the P/L so not a chance we will sell Rhodes for higher than what we paid imo.

Who actually believes anything that comes out of the gob of Shaw anyway he's as bad as Shabba! especially when Dann is also mentioned ( star player )

Steve Kean's Hypnotoad, on 08 Aug 2013 - 10:28 PM, said:

Still maintain we can't lose with Rhodes thanks to the length of his contract. Either a big bid comes in for him, or we've got him for a very long time. Either way we'll get our money's worth because the one thing you can guarantee is he'll keep scoring.

additional to Theno's comment - also only if they have the desire as well and his team mates actually can provide the required service.