[Archived] Clearout begins at Rovers

[Andy]

I think in Judge, Taylor and hopefully a decent attack-minded midfielder coming in, we will be providing a lot more service to Rhodes than last season.

And, in the face of virtually no service, he still scored 20+ goals last season.

[Jim Royle]

I was just about to post something similar.

Some of the quotes that he has come out with are completely ludicrous.

"If a big club comes in for one of your players and they want to go to the PL sometimes it is difficult to stop that from happening"

"Players want to play at the highest level and you've seen that With Bale and Suarez"

Talking about the fringe players leaving ..

"We're looking at that, But then again you cannot always sell when you want".

"Sometimes if you're trying to sell somebody, people sense that and you don't get the right deal".

Buried in this wonderful "stating the obvious" article is a one liner saying..

finances will not force them to sell a star player if they are unable to move high earning fringe players - Maybe this should have been the headline ?

Its almost like he is trying to unsettle our best players.

We are not stupid and we know that big clubs could come in but to come out with statements like this before the first home game is a complete joke.

Well done LT and Derek.

Complete pointless article and I'm sure Venkys and GB won't be happy that our "rogue md" has come out with these stupid statements and that our local supportive newspaper has chosen to put that headline and a nice pic of Rhodes and Dann on the back page.

yes, why did they not put a picture of Marcus Olsson alsongside the article instead

[bob fleming]

Might be the eve of the 1st home match but it's also the time the transfer window is fully open. Truth is if a Prem club comes in it's not a matter of 'letting them go' it's a matter of we cant keep them. There is no point in dressing that up any other way. You've been on here for yonks Bob and I'm pretty certain that you will be a man to put honesty and pragmatism before bullshitand deceit. I do.

I thought the transfer window 'fully' opened on July 1st ? Giving Derek 60 other days to be honest and pragmatic with his statements to the press, the point still stands, why mention it now? I.e.today 9 August, the day before the first home game and possibly the last realistic chance the club has of shifting some more season tickets.

[Stuart]

Completely agree with Bob.

Dumb to issue a "come and make us an offer" plea for our better players, especially on the eve of our first home game. It's also completely at odds with, and makes a mockery of, our season ticket promotion promotion. Selling our best players won't help to do that.

The timing is stupid but the fact he's saying it at all does set alarm bells ringing.

We all know that we can't afford the wage bill without Venkys input, and that it's harder to shift the players you don't want than the ones you do, but I'm not sure what point there is in telling the local rag.

Thank goodness Shebby has gone and Shelfy is running (sp?) everything.

[Steve Moss]

Well if it is PR it's the worst PR in the history of PR.

What club in there right mind would come out with a "roll over and tickle my tummy" article like that.

Derek talks about Bale and Suarez. Ok Derek lets see what Spurs and Liverpool are saying ...

John W Henry - Suarez not for sale at any price.

Daniel Levy - Expressed serious reservations over whether Madid have the funds to buy him and refuses to meet them.

Derek Shaw (bear in mind no one has actually bid for our top players yet unlike the above that Derek referred to) - Well erm...we don't really want to sell our best players .but..erm...but it might be difficult to keep hold of them...

Venkys have done a good job in cleaning up club management, but a glaring exception is Derek Shaw. Why is he still employed?

[blue_n_white99]

Venkys have done a good job in cleaning up club management, but a glaring exception is Derek Shaw. Why is he still employed?

Really? We had a pretty good management setup before these clowns arrived, they wrecked it and employed fools like shelfman.

[Tyrone Shoelaces]

One with commitments to pay money it can't find

The article reads as an open invitation to PL clubs to come and get Rhodes

Worrying

What are the odds on us selling him for less than we paid, must be worth a flutter?

I'd say it's a certainty that we'll sell him for less than we paid.

[USABlue]

A point I made not even a week ago Parson and an absolutely valid discussion.

We overpaid for Rhodes and unfortunately will not re-coup the money we paid for him, unless perhaps a relegation threatened team decide to take him in January as a gamble. Norwich almost did exactly that when they bid £9m for Hooper last Jan.

There are many Rovers fans that wear JR coloured spectacles - Rev being my most frequent opposition. Fact is we paid £8m to place a cherry atop a cake made out of sawdust. A seriously flawed decision made by a Malaysian Gentleman who has no idea about football. (No not Tony Fernandes)

We should have invested that money into creating a strong, balanced squad capable of competing in this league.

What's

Problem was last season, at the time we signed Jordan, we did not have a manager capable of putting together a balanced team

[USABlue]

Can someone show me the wisdom of the Lancashire Telegraph / Derek Shaw running with the story on the back page today stating that if Premier League clubs come in for our star players, they may well have to let them go? (they showed pictures of Rhodes and Dann - I presume they showed Dann as they needed a plural)

OK - this may well be the case and they may want to leave should a PL club come in, but this is the day before the first home game of the season, the day when perhaps a few more fans may go down to the club and buy a season ticket. Such headlines will hardly help.

Talk about whipping up excitement eh? Just thought it was strange timing to say the least.

Stupidity of the highest order. Is it Shaw with a snidy way of trying to show Mr Bowyer whose boss. Just when things look on the up, do these pretenders sit around actively seeking ways to disrupt the team and our fans. Why not just put a placard round Rhodes neck saying no reasonable offer refused and put that picture on the back page. I hate em I really do.

[Steve Kean's Hypnotoad]

Can someone show me the wisdom of the Lancashire Telegraph / Derek Shaw running with the story on the back page today stating that if Premier League clubs come in for our star players, they may well have to let them go? (they showed pictures of Rhodes and Dann - I presume they showed Dann as they needed a plural)

OK - this may well be the case and they may want to leave should a PL club come in, but this is the day before the first home game of the season, the day when perhaps a few more fans may go down to the club and buy a season ticket. Such headlines will hardly help.

Talk about whipping up excitement eh? Just thought it was strange timing to say the least.

Couldn't agree more. The answer is that he's just really, really awful at his job. This was one of the point's I made for why we don't have our Rovers back in the other thread. People with such utter incompetence, buffoonery and amateurishness as Shaw simply wouldn't have been tolerated under Jack. So its definitely not that Rovers we have back. I mean look at his insane performance during the whole Berg saga, nothing this idiot does surprises me.

[DavidMailsTightPerm]

I'd say it's a certainty that we'll sell him for less than we paid.

Why ?

[Mercer]

I think Shaw's article is a crass attempt to start preparing fans for the inevitable departure of you know who.

No surprise at all.

[Tyrone Shoelaces]

Why ?

Because we ( Shebby ) got carried away, got into a face saving contest, then paid over the odds in the first place.

[pick32]

Think Rhodes will stay and dann and pedersen will leave, I can also see Formica and rosado going out on loan to balance the books.

[Steve Kean's Hypnotoad]

Because we ( Shebby ) got carried away, got into a face saving contest, then paid over the odds in the first place.

How does that effect anything unless we need the money?

He's got 4 years on his contract. Based on last season (and the rest of his career), that'll produce over 100 goals, and about 150 points for us. If that's not worth at least £8m then whatever we spend it on certainly won't be either. There's no sane reason to sell him at a loss.

[chaddyrovers]

I think Shaw's article is a crass attempt to start preparing fans for the inevitable departure of you know who.

No surprise at all.

nobody has even put a bid in for Rhodes so far this summer.

Yet again Mercerman, last night you didn't answer my questions I ask last night I see.

didn't you have a bet on which Club he would have already signed for? which Club was this?

Also where are Bolton getting the money from? according to the FFP rules, Bolton owner cant put his own money in for the transfer. also Bolton's Chairman Phil Garside was one of the main guys behind bring in the FFP rules so it would be totally wrong of Bolton for breaking these rules.

I don't think Rhodes will leave Rovers this season.

I think Pedersen, Orr, Formica and Rosado will have left Rovers by the end of the transfer window

[Tyrone Shoelaces]

If only. I'll just nip off to the bookies now and back him to get those goals. I'll get great odds. The clubs who can afford the fee won't want him and the clubs that want him can't afford him. When Venkies want some quick dosh he'll go. Your last sentence tells it all, when did Venkies do sane.

[Steve Kean's Hypnotoad]

If only. I'll just nip off to the bookies now and back him to get those goals. I'll get great odds. The clubs who can afford the fee won't want him and the clubs that want him can't afford him. When Venkies want some quick dosh he'll go. Your last sentence tells it all, when did Venkies do sane.

Using that logic though there could have been no possible reasoning that would have persuaded them to buy him to begin with. Rhodes has done exactly what it said on the tin to steal the Ronsil phrase. So if we bought him, and he did what we expected him to do, why would we then sell him again at a loss? To use Ronsil again, its like buying a tin of paint and then doing this:

(Opens lid)

"Yes its paint"

(Tries it on a wall)

"Yep definitely paint"

"Well seeing as its paint I'd better flog it on ebay for whatever I can get."

There's Venkys, and then there's that. You'll get lower odds on Rhodes scoring 100 goals in the next 4 seasons than you will on us selling him for less than £8m. No way on earth it'll happen.

[Mercer]

nobody has even put a bid in for Rhodes so far this summer.

Yet again Mercerman, last night you didn't answer my questions I ask last night I see.

didn't you have a bet on which Club he would have already signed for? which Club was this?

Also where are Bolton getting the money from? according to the FFP rules, Bolton owner cant put his own money in for the transfer. also Bolton's Chairman Phil Garside was one of the main guys behind bring in the FFP rules so it would be totally wrong of Bolton for breaking these rules.

I don't think Rhodes will leave Rovers this season.

I think Pedersen, Orr, Formica and Rosado will have left Rovers by the end of the transfer window

Chaddy - see my earlier post on the Championship thread on FFP and Bolton.

Think you need to separate wishful thinking from reality.

Rovers, IMO, need a big sale and only Rhodes can deliver the financial goodies.

[Tyrone Shoelaces]

Using that logic though there could have been no possible reasoning that would have persuaded them to buy him to begin with. Rhodes has done exactly what it said on the tin to steal the Ronsil phrase. So if we bought him, and he did what we expected him to do, why would we then sell him again at a loss? To use Ronsil again, its like buying a tin of paint and then doing this:

(Opens lid)

"Yes its paint"

(Tries it on a wall)

"Yep definitely paint"

"Well seeing as its paint I'd better flog it on ebay for whatever I can get."

There's Venkys, and then there's that. You'll get lower odds on Rhodes scoring 100 goals in the next 4 seasons than you will on us selling him for less than £8m. No way on earth it'll happen.

If you say so Steve.

[Roverthechimp]

Not sure if the article in the paper was different to the online version (?) but not really seeing the problem here except that the Telegraph need boycotting/bitchslapping for their deliberate attempt to agitate the fanbase just prior to our first home game (any Wild guesses on who may be pushing this agenda?)

Mr Shaw (who i must admit should have been fired before/during/after the Berg fiasco) simply states the painfully obvious about modern football - i'm guessing in response to questions along the lines of "so Dezza - can you state 100% that nobody from the first team squad will be allowed to leave if man utd tap up their agent with a contract offer of 200 000 quid a week"?

But that bit isn't printed...

[blueboy3333]

Chaddy - see my earlier post on the Championship thread on FFP and Bolton.

Think you need to separate wishful thinking from reality.

Rovers, IMO, need a big sale and only Rhodes can deliver the financial goodies.

Well GB and Shaw have both said there's no financial need to sell. Do you know different?

[Steve Kean's Hypnotoad]

If you say so Steve.

Well, we'll know by 3rd September, on that and where Pedersen ends up. I'll try not to gloat

[blueboy3333]

Not sure if the article in the paper was different to the online version (?) but not really seeing the problem here except that the Telegraph need boycotting/bitchslapping for their deliberate attempt to agitate the fanbase just prior to our first home game (any Wild guesses on who may be pushing this agenda?)

Mr Shaw (who i must admit should have been fired before/during/after the Berg fiasco) simply states the painfully obvious about modern football - i'm guessing in response to questions along the lines of "so Dezza - can you state 100% that nobody from the first team squad will be allowed to leave if man utd tap up their agent with a contract offer of 200 000 quid a week"?

But that bit isn't printed...

I agree, the timing was suspect but the content just stated the obvious. If a Prem club comes in for any of our players they'll go, if they want to.

On the point of the timing, it's a question of who iniated the interview. If the LT rang and requested one and then asked if players will be sold then there's no real problem. Deadly Dirk just stated the obvious. However, if Dirk rang them to soften up the fan base then it could be significant and the club may be actively looking to sell Rhodes/Dann.

[chaddyrovers]

Chaddy - see my earlier post on the Championship thread on FFP and Bolton.

Think you need to separate wishful thinking from reality.

Rovers, IMO, need a big sale and only Rhodes can deliver the financial goodies.

I did see you your post on that topic MM. think you are obsess with Freedman and Bolton.

secondly, I don't think Rovers need a big sale at all. we do need to get rid of the players Rovers/Bowyer don't want here.

You keep saying that Rhodes will be sold for around 5 mil so we will be making a 3 million pounds lost on a player who was 2nd top scorer in this league.

Plus we still owned Huddersfield 5.5 million of the Rhodes transfer fee and if he is sold then we have to pay them in full. we are due to pay them 2.5 mil of the transfer on the end of the month. so selling him for 5 mil wont happen will it really!!!

Well GB and Shaw have both said there's no financial need to sell. Do you know different?

tbh, Blueboy3333, nobody will know the true financial accounts for last season/year until they are in public domain in December. I'm very sure these accounts will be on here for us the fans to discuss and give our views on it

The accounts for this financial year started on 13th July. so the payoffs to Murphy and Gomes would be on last year accounts and NOT this years which will be used for the FFP rules