[Archived] Clearout begins at Rovers

[thenodrog]

That must have been St. John musn't it given he signed hs current contract in 2010!

Indeed so Simon. That contract originated under JW and SA..... I rem SA saying that re-signing MGP was like signing a new 6m player or similar. However although I have no evidence wasn't it reported that the Fat Controller headed off a player revolt in early 2011 by striking through the relegation clauses in the contracts of a number of senior pro's who were incensed at losing Sam and JW and whose agents (quite rightly as it turned out) feared for their futures? MGP, Dunny, samba and Givet spring immediately to mind, maybe nelsen too. If so can you even begin to calculate what that has cost us?

[dingles staying down 4ever]

That maybe be so , but he is a far better footballer than Lowe ,Marrow ,Taylor and Judge ...

He ain't if he is not playing. If he is not being picked he is just a drain on resources. All I was saying was in reply to the person who says he loves money more than BRFC is that he is quids in either way.

I also feel he would be better than at least two of the above possibly more

[ABBEY]

Do you think Pedersens inclusion would fix our midfield?

It couldn't make it any worse .

He ain't if he is not playing. If he is not being picked he is just a drain on resources. All I was saying was in reply to the person who says he loves money more than BRFC is that he is quids in either way.

I also feel he would be better than at least two of the above possibly more

Name one professional player ( beckham maybe cynically at psg) who loves the club and does it without money . They Are all mercenaries at the end of the day.. Does dunny play for nowt?

[Parsonblue]

Do you think Pedersens inclusion would fix our midfield?

He may not fix the problems in midfield but he would certainly be an improvement on what we have seen so far.

[McClarky]

Like all of us, footballers do a job and get paid for doing it. If that makes you a mercenary then that applies to anyone in a job. Truth is MGP signed a contract to play for Rovers until 2014 so if we want to break that contract we need to compensate him, just as if he wanted to break it by going to another employer we would get compensated. Love of club or anything like that doesn't come into it. MGP has never done anything on or off the pitch apart from be a model professional and doesn't deserve any of the stick he gets on here. So he isn't the player he was a few years back, that's what happens when players get older. Sorry to say it but an ageing MGP is a better bet than any of the other midfielders we've brought in to take his place.

[ABBEY]

Exactly .. Mc I go to work for one thing only £££££

Mercenary yup.

[thenodrog]

Do you think Pedersens inclusion would fix our midfield?

Fix is an abstract word. Improve would have been a better choice and the answer to that is YES. MGP on the left, Judge on the right with Taylor dropped would improve it imo. Though to be fair to Taylor I have only seen him against Forest when he looked a little out of his depth.

[thenodrog]

Like all of us, footballers do a job and get paid for doing it. If that makes you a mercenary then that applies to anyone in a job. Truth is MGP signed a contract to play for Rovers until 2014 so if we want to break that contract we need to compensate him, just as if he wanted to break it by going to another employer we would get compensated. Love of club or anything like that doesn't come into it. MGP has never done anything on or off the pitch apart from be a model professional and doesn't deserve any of the stick he gets on here. So he isn't the player he was a few years back, that's what happens when players get older. Sorry to say it but an ageing MGP is a better bet than any of the other midfielders we've brought in to take his place.

Dunny being a fine example of that..... Mighty odd how that old glassback never cops for it and MGP does isn't it? Skewed values imo. Dunny buggered off once after a strop with GS although I've no doubt money would be at the back of it, whilst MGP has been here and available all that time. Who cares most / least for the club one might ask?

As far as cost divided by actual minutes on the pitch Dunne's remuneration must still be way past MGP's and right up there with the likes of ever presents and record Prem winners Ryan Giggs and Paul Scholes, and n'er do wells like Vince Grella Bruno Ribeiro and Myles Anderson!!!! Think about it. Yet he's up and down playing some local hero role for Blackburns more impressionable fan.

Obvious that MGP is nearing the end of his career. Obvious too that a club like us in this div can no longer afford his Prem based wages. It's not his fault, nor his agents fault, it's ours and our stupidity. BUT but we really do need to find a way out of the current situation whilst to be totally fair he doesn't.

[dingles staying down 4ever]

Dunny being a fine example of that..... Mighty odd how that old glassback never cops for it and MGP does isn't it? Skewed values imo. Dunny buggered off once after a strop with GS although I've no doubt money would be at the back of it, whilst MGP has been here and available all that time. Who cares most / least for the club one might ask?

As far as cost divided by actual minutes on the pitch Dunne's remuneration must still be way past MGP's and right up there with the likes of ever presents and record Prem winners Ryan Giggs and Paul Scholes, and n'er do wells like Vince Grella Bruno Ribeiro and Myles Anderson!!!! Think about it. Yet he's up and down playing some local hero role for Blackburns more impressionable fan.

Obvious that MGP is nearing the end of his career. Obvious too that a club like us in this div can no longer afford his Prem based wages. It's not his fault, nor his agents fault, it's ours and our stupidity. BUT but we really do need to find a way out of the current situation whilst to be totally fair he doesn't.

Probably the best post I've seen on the subjects of Dunn and MGP. Although we all loved Dunn's goal against Burnley, it could be a very expensive in cash values. I too would have ended Dunn's Rovers career before MGP's.

On the other hand, Dunn maybe on a pay as you play contract now in which case he'll end up oweing the club.

[Guest Norbert]

Dunny being a fine example of that..... Mighty odd how that old glassback never cops for it and MGP does isn't it? Skewed values imo. Dunny buggered off once after a strop with GS although I've no doubt money would be at the back of it, whilst MGP has been here and available all that time. Who cares most / least for the club one might ask?

As far as cost divided by actual minutes on the pitch Dunne's remuneration must still be way past MGP's and right up there with the likes of ever presents and record Prem winners Ryan Giggs and Paul Scholes, and n'er do wells like Vince Grella Bruno Ribeiro and Myles Anderson!!!! Think about it. Yet he's up and down playing some local hero role for Blackburns more impressionable fan.

Obvious that MGP is nearing the end of his career. Obvious too that a club like us in this div can no longer afford his Prem based wages. It's not his fault, nor his agents fault, it's ours and our stupidity. BUT but we really do need to find a way out of the current situation whilst to be totally fair he doesn't.

I said a similar thing about Dunn on facebook, saying he is not a legend and got a shedload of abuse and insults. MGP is a professional in the sense that he has kept his head down, not been a tool like Suarez has been this summer. However he is not providing value for money, and in these financially restricted times we have to either persuade him to take a big pay cut (not a realistic option) or negotiate a release.

[darrenrover]

The quandary re MGP is, if he plays again, i understand he gets a half mil bonus, legacy of JW. The rest of his contract rolls on as per.

Knowing MGPs current capabilities and our financial position generally, if you were in charge of the purse strings, what would you do?......

[chaddyrovers]

Nicko has said today that Orr still has 3 years left on his contract. signed a new contract last summer. So if we were payed him off it would cost us around 3 million pound.

why was he given a new contract last summer?

hopefully this summer we have a proper wage budget in place and NOT over paying for average players.

last summer transfer business was wrong with us signing players who wasn't suited to this league. Kean and Shebby to blame. Cant blame the owners for the signings but can for listen to those two.

This season, the owners seems to allow Bowyer to be in complete charge of signings without any interfere from anybody else. Plus we seem to have a wage budget in place now.

hopefully we are now going to be run properly with proper budget in place and no interfere from Shebby or anybody else. But now a long way back for us to reach the Premier League again.

I wouldn't play Givet. Givet doesn't look interest anymore and has to leave. plus has a bad attitude aswell

The quandary re MGP is, if he plays again, i understand he gets a half mil bonus, legacy of JW. The rest of his contract rolls on as per.

Knowing MGPs current capabilities and our financial position generally, if you were in charge of the purse strings, what would you do?......

I heard this aswell. I would let Pedersen leave on free transfer. He isn't suited to playing in Centre Midfield at this level.

The fact is we have to be save money where we can and Stop handing out daft contract to average players who shouldn't be on the money we are paying for certain players

[Guest Norbert]

Nicko has said today that Orr still has 3 years left on his contract. signed a new contract last summer. So if we were payed him off it would cost us around 3 million pound.

why was he given a new contract last summer?

He was Steve Kean's biggest bum chum perhaps? And Kean thought he would be good in this division so he gave his backer a nice big contract.

[T.J.Newton]

We're going to be counting the cost of paying all these donkeys off for years to come(personal feelings aside, a player of Orrs ability should count himself lucky to make 3mill in his entire career)

[den]

The quandary re MGP is, if he plays again, i understand he gets a half mil bonus, legacy of JW. The rest of his contract rolls on as per.

Knowing MGPs current capabilities and our financial position generally, if you were in charge of the purse strings, what would you do?......

How do you know that?

[rovers11]

Nicko has said today that Orr still has 3 years left on his contract. signed a new contract last summer. So if we were payed him off it would cost us around 3 million pound.

why was he given a new contract last summer?

hopefully this summer we have a proper wage budget in place and NOT over paying for average players.

last summer transfer business was wrong with us signing players who wasn't suited to this league. Kean and Shebby to blame. Cant blame the owners for the signings but can for listen to those two.

This season, the owners seems to allow Bowyer to be in complete charge of signings without any interfere from anybody else. Plus we seem to have a wage budget in place now.

hopefully we are now going to be run properly with proper budget in place and no interfere from Shebby or anybody else. But now a long way back for us to reach the Premier League again.

I wouldn't play Givet. Givet doesn't look interest anymore and has to leave. plus has a bad attitude aswell

I heard this aswell. I would let Pedersen leave on free transfer. He isn't suited to playing in Centre Midfield at this level.

The fact is we have to be save money where we can and Stop handing out daft contract to average players who shouldn't be on the money we are paying for certain players

It's funny how he's saying there is no way round the FFP rules for rovers yet when asked the same question about forest the other day he said there's always a way round them.

Anyone get the feeling he's not a big fan of us nowadays?

[yoda's brother]

chaddy said

this season, the owners seems to allow Bowyer to be in complete charge of signings without any interfere from anybody else.

chaddy, if nobody is interfering with bowyers budget how come we didnt sign murphy or bannan.

dont say they were out of his budget because we went a fair way to try and sign them.

[LDRover]

Mario "Bugs Bunny" el Warner Bros cartoono; kosta Premierio Leaguio Blackburn $5m - ha ha ha! Shako heado. Mejor "cock inflato-up" ta va salir muppeto Steve Kean "teking the positivos".

Post of the year to Mr Fleming.

Again.

[tomphil]

If it is true about Orr then that's disastrous news. No wonder he's being such an arrogant chunt. Only consolation is it comes from nicko who overstates everything and is basically 90% full of tripe when it comes to us these days.

[Mercer]

I think it is gradually becoming clearer by the day why Rovers are financially screwed.

If Orr does have 3 years left, and I doubt Nicko would be wrong on this, then I think he is going to sit tight and have a right good laugh. He is not going to walk away from a guaranteed £2.7m, none of us would.

As a club, I think we are running out of options pretty quickly.

[chaddyrovers]

chaddy said

this season, the owners seems to allow Bowyer to be in complete charge of signings without any interfere from anybody else.

chaddy, if nobody is interfering with bowyers budget how come we didnt sign murphy or bannan.

dont say they were out of his budget because we went a fair way to try and sign them.

Murphy went to Leeds cos they offer him better wages than we did.

Bannan wasnt signed due to his agent wanted high fee and Bannan wanted more money from us than he was on at villa. I see no else has even look to sign him so far.

both of these things were reported on here at the time.

I think it is gradually becoming clearer by the day why Rovers are financially screwed.

If Orr does have 3 years left, and I doubt Nicko would be wrong on this, then I think he is going to sit tight and have a right good laugh. He is not going to walk away from a guaranteed £2.7m, none of us would.

As a club, I think we are running out of options pretty quickly.

I don't agree will are Financially screwed but we are certain up against it. Think Venkys are going to have put money into the club through shares or something like this.

Orr's contract is a disgrace.

[West Yorks Rover]

Are we sure that Nicko is'nt just on the wind-up again, Orr had a 2.5 year deal when he signed for the club In Jan 2012, now I know he was

Keano's massage boy, but surely even he could'nt justify a new contract for a bit- part player, just after we had been relegated.

If that happened then you have to ask, who signed it off ?

Pretty sure Shebby would'nt have rated Orr.

[Gav]

Dunny being a fine example of that..... Mighty odd how that old glassback never cops for it and MGP does isn't it? Skewed values imo. Dunny buggered off once after a strop with GS although I've no doubt money would be at the back of it, whilst MGP has been here and available all that time. Who cares most / least for the club one might ask?

As far as cost divided by actual minutes on the pitch Dunne's remuneration must still be way past MGP's and right up there with the likes of ever presents and record Prem winners Ryan Giggs and Paul Scholes, and n'er do wells like Vince Grella Bruno Ribeiro and Myles Anderson!!!! Think about it. Yet he's up and down playing some local hero role for Blackburns more impressionable fan.

Obvious that MGP is nearing the end of his career. Obvious too that a club like us in this div can no longer afford his Prem based wages. It's not his fault, nor his agents fault, it's ours and our stupidity. BUT but we really do need to find a way out of the current situation whilst to be totally fair he doesn't.

Thankfully this site is just a very small percentage of the popular support, and doesn't really reflect what most fans feel.

David Dunn is held in high regard by many due to being a 'local lad done good' which simply some people can't handle, I'm not sure its a jealousy thing TBH, but its along those lines. Yes he's made mistakes, yes he could have looked after himself better, but even after all this he's made 350 appearances for the club and thats tremendous for a local lad.

MGP has a similar record to Dunn, has been a great servant to the club, and the club should look after him, they gave him the contract, honour it or pay him off.

[Steve Moss]

Orr's contract is a disgrace.

If true, Venkys should fire anyone even remotely connected to that contract, if they haven't left already.

[West Yorks Rover]

If true, Venkys should fire anyone even remotely connected to that contract, if they haven't left already.

If I had any influence with the Venky's, I'd be advising them to contact the fraud squad to examine everything that has gone on at the

club since they bought it, the more I here, the more I am convinced they were totally duped and are only guilty of naivety and stupidity.