Cricket

[den]

6 minutes ago, 47er said:

Mix Bazball with some common sense and we might get somewhere.

Of course. Just leave the short ball.

[AllRoverAsia]

38 minutes ago, den said:

Silly statement ARA.

Quote 'The simple thing is that England weren’t prepared for the short ball barrage and had no idea what to do about'

I responded to the above.

if you can't do it, don't do it.

What's your non silly answer?

[wilsdenrover]

3 minutes ago, den said:

Of course. Just leave the short ball.

and learn from your mistakes (whether that’s tactics, mindset, or execution)

[AllRoverAsia]

6 minutes ago, den said:

Of course. Just leave the short ball.

That's what I said and you called it silly.

[matt83]

Appalling cricket. It’s almost as if it’s somehow harder hitting 6s over midwicket when the bowlers are bowling quicker than they’re used to.

 It would appear it takes more to win an ashes test match than wearing a green bucket hat and grinning inanely

[den]

29 minutes ago, AllRoverAsia said:

That's what I said and you called it silly.

No. I said this was silly…

Sensibly leaving would be anti Bazzball.

[Tyrone Shoelaces]

55 minutes ago, wilsdenrover said:

Common sense and humility. 

Yeah, let your cricket do the talking. I’m tired of hearing what they’re going to do. Just do it. That applies to Rovers players as well.

[oldjamfan1]

Away from Lords am I right in thinking Lancs qualify for the KO stages of the T20 if it’s rained off at OT later?

[Exiled_Rover]

4 hours ago, 47er said:

Looking at 0-2 I'm afraid. Baz ball in the undiluted way we're playing it will never defeat the World Champions.

Started the day roughly evens, thrown away in half an hour.

Back to the drawing board chaps.

I'm not sure what drawing board you're going to - they have better players from 1-11.

[Silas]

On 29/06/2023 at 13:32, Dreams of 1995 said:

Setting itself up nicely for Saturday and Sunday - of which I have tickets again 🙂 Going down London tomorrow night, bit of Lion King in theatre to keep her happy, followed by 2 days at Lords. Perfect weekend

Urgh. Looking like Madame Tussauds for you Sunday. 

Get us a picture of you slapping Ronaldo in the face. 😂

[wilsdenrover]

Our spin bowling coach was asked after today’s play:

’Is it approach over result?’

He answered with:

’It is until after day five’

What does that even mean??

[wilsdenrover]

Further questions( in bold) and answers given  - it doesn’t look like that humility is coming any time soon…

Is the plan just to keep continuing with the attacking approach?: "We've seen in the last year this is how this team operates, gets boundaries and break records. We have the courage to see how far we can take it.

 

What is your response to the criticism of your approach?: "People will have their opinions. We have our idea, part of that was taking the option today.

"I'm not going to get into this argument, no-one said it was reckless versus New Zealand, no-one said it was reckless when Joe Root played that reverse scoop. We tried to get them off that length and score."

 

 

[jim mk2]

6 minutes ago, wilsdenrover said:

Further questions( in bold) and answers given  - it doesn’t look like that humility is coming any time soon…

Is the plan just to keep continuing with the attacking approach?: "We've seen in the last year this is how this team operates, gets boundaries and break records. We have the courage to see how far we can take it.

 

What is your response to the criticism of your approach?: "People will have their opinions. We have our idea, part of that was taking the option today.

"I'm not going to get into this argument, no-one said it was reckless versus New Zealand, no-one said it was reckless when Joe Root played that reverse scoop. We tried to get them off that length and score."

 

 

 

The man's a twerp

We're about to go 2-0 down at home in an Ashes series because of Bazball ideology

Enough

[AllRoverAsia]

This is heading for an exciting 4th innings run chase if the Aussies are decent fellows and into only accepting a win or lose results situation and give us a competitive target between 350 and 400. 

Australia in 1948 at Leeds won in the 4th with 404/3

Also at Leeds in 2019 and in an otherwise low scoring game, including a 67/10 debacle from England in their first innings, England won with 362/9 in the 4th.

We could however bowl the Aussies out quickly tomorrow. Its that or the Aussies being kind......

The Aussies will however try to set a target whereby they cannot lose as we do have the potential to chase down a big target in the 4th.

Its going to be interesting.

[jim mk2]

You forgot the obvious scenario: we collapse to 150 all out whatever target they set

All over by tea tomorrow. 

[Ewood Ace]

2 minutes ago, AllRoverAsia said:

Australia in 1948 at Leeds won in the 4th with 404/3

This England side might think they are invincible but that where the comparisons with The Invincibles end. Also they had Bradman and his record Headingly was absolutely phenomenal even by his own incredible standards.

[wilsdenrover]

28 minutes ago, jim mk2 said:

 

The man's a twerp

We're about to go 2-0 down at home in an Ashes series because of Bazball ideology

Enough

He doesn’t seem to comprehend that the same tactic can be good against one team but not against another. 

[AllRoverAsia]

3 minutes ago, Ewood Ace said:

This England side might think they are invincible but that where the comparisons with The Invincibles end. Also they had Bradman and his record Headingly was absolutely phenomenal even by his own incredible standards.

And now they have Smith.

I find him dislikeable as a person but as a batsman he is superb. We do have Root but only if he's allowed to play his natural game which is run gathering not trying to hit the ball over the pavillion.

[AllRoverAsia]

1 minute ago, wilsdenrover said:

He doesn’t seem to comprehend that the same tactic can be good against one team but not against another. 

Against teams who we would beat anyway playing what has been insulted on here as 'the old fashion way'. 

[AllRoverAsia]

4 hours ago, oldjamfan1 said:

Away from Lords am I right in thinking Lancs qualify for the KO stages of the T20 if it’s rained off at OT later?

I think you are correct, 1 point for a NR puts us through.

Its pissing down and poor weather forecast at OT

[wilsdenrover]

10 minutes ago, AllRoverAsia said:

Against teams who we would beat anyway playing what has been insulted on here as 'the old fashion way'. 

In some instances yes - for example, I’m not convinced we’d have won 3-0 in Pakistan playing the more traditional way.

[AllRoverAsia]

1 minute ago, wilsdenrover said:

In some instances yes - for example, I’m not convinced we’d have won 3-0 in Pakistan playing the more traditional way.

I think Pakistan and South Africa are in major transition and not anywhere near their best. The teams to beat in a Test series to prove the approach are the Aussies and India.

Still 3-0 in Pakistan is highly commendable.

[only2garners]

31 minutes ago, AllRoverAsia said:

I think you are correct, 1 point for a NR puts us through.

Its pissing down and poor weather forecast at OT

Having now spent some time sat in Old Trafford looking at the permutations I agree but the key is to finish second so we get a home quarter final. That will probably mean beating Northants here on Sunday.

[Ewood Ace]

25 minutes ago, AllRoverAsia said:

I think Pakistan and South Africa are in major transition and not anywhere near their best. The teams to beat in a Test series to prove the approach are the Aussies and India.

Still 3-0 in Pakistan is highly commendable.

I also think that England played with a more controlled aggression last summer & in Pakistan. This series so far the batting has just been reckless & they have also had far too much to say off the pitch as well. They seem to me to have got carried away by the hype around them & are now batting with their ego's rather than their brains.

Edited June 30, 2023 by Ewood Ace

[wilsdenrover]

8 minutes ago, Ewood Ace said:

I also think that England played with a more controlled aggression last summer & in Pakistan. This series so far the batting has just been reckless & they have also had far too much to say off the pitch as well. They seem to me to have got carried away by the hype around them & are now batting with their ego's rather than their brains.

100% agree.

Before the series began I wondered whether the Aussie’s ego would mean they’d try to match us ‘tactically’ just to prove they could.

It turns out our ego is preventing us from adapting (not abandoning) our new mindset as and when it’s necessary to do so.