Cricket

[Ewood Ace]

1 minute ago, AllRoverAsia said:

Mr Liew produced a long piece of anti English propaganda using cricket as a tool.

His perceived English exceptionalism was the target.

Don't fall for shit like this from a writer with chips on both shoulders.

For me he's the finest sports writer in the country, one of the few who is always worth reading. 

Edited July 4, 2023 by Ewood Ace

[Silas]

14 minutes ago, Ewood Ace said:

 

I notice you are moving before answer my question about whether bowling bouncers and an injured tailender batting on one leg is within the spirit of the game? 

Works both ways. You haven't answered if you'd celebrate England or Rovers winning from an injury throw in not being given back. 🤷‍♂️

But my opinion is he chose to go out on one leg, he gets treated like any other player in the team. Do you think he should be treated differently? This isn't tiddlywinks, it's top level international sport. 

If anything, you target injuries. If a boxer has a busted eye, the opponent is aiming for it. Was watching rugby league just last week when a player (St. Helens I think?) had took a bad knock and was struggling. Moved from half backs to the wing for a rest. 

Commentator: "They need to get the ball over the right hand side quickly, run hard, and smash into him. They'll either break through for a try, or get him off the pitch. Either way, it's a win."

Some will say cricket isn't a contact sport like them. Bloody is! You're hurling a hard ball at 90mph, sometimes at their head. There's a reason they have all the padding and guards.

You step onto the playing field with an injury, that's your problem to deal with, not your opponents.

Think you're confusing playing hard and taking every opportunity to nail the opponent, with being snidey. Instead of 'spirit of the game' how about just 'don't be a snidey ****!' 

And what they did without doubt falls under that banner. 

[Ewood Ace]

23 minutes ago, Silas said:

Works both ways. You haven't answered if you'd celebrate England or Rovers winning from an injury throw in not being given back. 🤷‍♂️

Firstly I don't think it has any relevance whatsoever, secondary I am not particularly passionate about the National Football team so I wouldn't be bothered either way. Although I do seem to remember Raheem Sterling diving to win a penalty to take England to the final of the Euro's, I can only assume that you were outraged by it and cheered for Italy in the final in order to protect the spirit of the sport. 

Thirdly I would cheer Rovers winning anything. 

23 minutes ago, Silas said:

Works both ways. You haven't answered if you'd celebrate England or Rovers winning from an injury throw in not being given back. 🤷‍♂️

But my opinion is he chose to go out on one leg, he gets treated like any other player in the team. Do you think he should be treated differently? This isn't tiddlywinks, it's top level international sport. 

If anything, you target injuries. If a boxer has a busted eye, the opponent is aiming for it. Was watching rugby league just last week when a player (St. Helens I think?) had took a bad knock and was struggling. Moved from half backs to the wing for a rest. 

Some would say as we have already seen from one poster on here for example that bowling short to Lyon was not in the spirit of the game. Nor would some think that targeting a players injury is in the spirit of it. Some would also say that  both sides continuously peppering tailenders with short balls was not in the spirit. That never used to be a part of the game

If you read my posts correctly (which evidently you haven't) you will see I said multiple times that I had no problem with bowling short to Lyon (from a moral/spirit stand point at least).    

You talk about it being top level sport but are then outraged that a player is fairly dismissed because he rather dopily goes for a walk out of his crease before the ball is dead. Would you like Australia to have said 'You've been fairly dismissed Johnny but come back and have another'. 

This is where you end up tying yourself in knots when talking about the 'spirit of cricket' because it is a mythical thing and all it really is, is individual opinions.

Edited July 4, 2023 by Ewood Ace

[Silas]

21 minutes ago, Ewood Ace said:

This is where you end up tying yourself in knots when talking about the 'spirit of cricket' because it is a mythical thing and all it really is, is individual opinions.

Pretty hard for that to be true when I've never said that phrase in my life, let alone on here. 

[Dreams of 1995]

Ollie Pope is going to miss the remainder of the Ashes. It looks like they will call on Dan Lawrence to replace him.

Personally think it is a mistake. I would call up Foakes and push Bairstow up the order as both a specialist fielder and batting replacement for Pope.

Foakes must be tearing his hair out!

[Ewood Ace]

2 minutes ago, Dreams of 1995 said:

Ollie Pope is going to miss the remainder of the Ashes. It looks like they will call on Dan Lawrence to replace him.

Personally think it is a mistake. I would call up Foakes and push Bairstow up the order as both a specialist fielder and batting replacement for Pope.

Foakes must be tearing his hair out!

The player I'd call up is Sam Hain been has a good solid technique, scores at a decent rate which they like and has been scoring runs in County cricket for a good few years now in all formats. It staggers me how he has never in any format been called up to a senior England squad even when they had to select a 2nd XI against Pakistan a few years back he did not get a look in.

[Ewood Ace]

6 minutes ago, Silas said:

Pretty hard for that to be true when I've never said that phrase in my life, let alone on here. 

And yet here you are below talking about the spirit of the sport/game in the cricket thread when talking about cricket. Which sport were you talking about then tiddlywinks? 

2 hours ago, Silas said:

So, I'm taking it it's only cricket where being within the laws is keeping the spirit of the sport. 

1 hour ago, Silas said:

But finally, the actual phrase spirit of the game wouldn't exist would it, if it just meant within the laws of the game. Think about it. 

[jim mk2]

Dan Lawrence's technique was very questionable last time he was in the England team. Has he improved?  If he hasn't, he won't last long in this series. Surely there must be better options - putting Bairstow in at No 3 (too high for him) and bringing in a better wicketkeeper in Foakes is one obvious move. Anything is better than Lawrence. 

[Ewood Ace]

 

[Mattyblue]

Put some timber on since 2014…

[ChrisyG]

It looks like plenty of changes are afoot. No Foakes. From the paper;

England are planning to respond to Ollie Pope’s series-ending Ashes injury with a radical shake-up to their team for the third Test at Headingley on Thursday that sees a promotion to No 3 for Harry Brook.

Moeen Ali will be recalled after missing the second Test with a finger injury, with Chris Woakes and Mark Wood also set to be included at the expense of James Anderson and Josh Tongue, who are rested.

Vice-captain Pope will miss the remainder of the summer after dislocating his shoulder in the second Test defeat at Lord’s.
Barring a late change of heart, rather than replace him with the spare batsman in the squad, Dan Lawrence, England look likely to rejig the balance of their bowling attack.

Brook will move up to first drop for the first time in his Test career, while skipper Ben Stokes, a centurion at Lord’s, and wicketkeeper Jonny Bairstow will move up a place in the order. Brook has not batted at No 3 since 2018 in the County Championship and averages just 22.2 in the position. 

 

[ChrisyG]

Team (probable): Crawley, Duckett, Brook, Root, Stokes, Bairstow (wk), Moeen, Woakes, Wood, Broad, Robinson

[chaddyrovers]

22 hours ago, Ewood Ace said:

If the regulations are still the same as when I was a member and I expect that they still are then from what I have seen online some members overstepped the mark yesterday. And Guy Lavender evidently concurs given that members have been suspended, an apology issued to Australia and he had to address the long room at lunch.

You can keep saying this but as I have said that the MCC are being weak and given in the Australia team which I find pathetic and weak. Those members are more than entitled to voiced their opinions right at them. If Australia can't take it then don't play there

22 hours ago, Ewood Ace said:

No I'm just consistent which I can appreciate is a completely alien concept to you.

 

Just amazed how much you are sticking up for Aussies time after time. very surprising 

3 hours ago, Dreams of 1995 said:

Ollie Pope is going to miss the remainder of the Ashes. It looks like they will call on Dan Lawrence to replace him.

Personally think it is a mistake. I would call up Foakes and push Bairstow up the order as both a specialist fielder and batting replacement for Pope.

Foakes must be tearing his hair out!

I agree there. Bring Foakes in for Pope and move Bairstow to 3. 

I haven't seen Lawrence bat since the India away series so is he in form currently

1 hour ago, ChrisyG said:

Team (probable): Crawley, Duckett, Brook, Root, Stokes, Bairstow (wk), Moeen, Woakes, Wood, Broad, Robinson

deffo wouldn't be dropping Tongue. I would drop Robinson and Anderson for Ali and Wood. 

Don't get why we need 6 bowlers in the teams and that's not including Root as part time bowler

 

[wilsdenrover]

The MCC haven’t ‘given in’ to Australia, they have merely enforced there own rules which all members agree to follow when they join.

 

 

 

Edited July 4, 2023 by wilsdenrover

[AllRoverAsia]

9 hours ago, ChrisyG said:

Team (probable): Crawley, Duckett, Brook, Root, Stokes, Bairstow (wk), Moeen, Woakes, Wood, Broad, Robinson

Is Ali's finger ok?

It looked a mess and doubt it had time to heal properly.

Maybe he can if allowed wear a protective cover but is that even allowed.

We do need a specialist spinner included.

[ChrisyG]

4 hours ago, AllRoverAsia said:

Is Ali's finger ok?

It looked a mess and doubt it had time to heal properly.

Maybe he can if allowed wear a protective cover but is that even allowed.

We do need a specialist spinner included.

It did but ITKs seem to think he'll be picked so I'm guessing so. It's risky as I'm pretty sure no plasters are allowed.

[ChrisyG]

12 hours ago, chaddyrovers said:

deffo wouldn't be dropping Tongue. I would drop Robinson and Anderson for Ali and Wood. 

Don't get why we need 6 bowlers in the teams and that's not including Root as part time bowler

Yeah, I know what you mean but we haven't taken enough wickets. We've got a bit of seam from Woakes and pace from Wood, Broad and Robinson can ball some bouncers. And if it's hot and dry, spin from Ali/Root. I think the batting lineup also looks better.

[chaddyrovers]

11 hours ago, ChrisyG said:

Yeah, I know what you mean but we haven't taken enough wickets. We've got a bit of seam from Woakes and pace from Wood, Broad and Robinson can ball some bouncers. And if it's hot and dry, spin from Ali/Root. I think the batting lineup also looks better.

After Stokes's comments that he probably won't bowl as much as he does means we need 5 bowlers in the team. Still not overkeen on the team balance as I think we are Batsman light myself. 

 

[Dreams of 1995]

20 minutes ago, chaddyrovers said:

After Stokes's comments that he probably won't bowl as much as he does means we need 5 bowlers in the team. Still not overkeen on the team balance as I think we are Batsman light myself. 

 

I would say you’re right about being a batsman short

Brook hasn’t the best average stats at 3. Don’t know if he’s got the patience in him to be fair 

[chaddyrovers]

8 minutes ago, Dreams of 1995 said:

I would say you’re right about being a batsman short

Brook hasn’t the best average stats at 3. Don’t know if he’s got the patience in him to be fair 

I guess it make sense cos we need 5 bowlers and if Stokes can't bowl then we need an extra bowler. 

Not too worry about Brook stats at 3 tbh. I might have been tempt to put Stokes there. but Pope hadn't batted at 3 really until he did for England 

[Gav]

This ashes series so far has been terrific, despite the results, absolute theatre on each day.

I can hardly wait for 11am to come around, hopefully the weather stays away, we win the toss and put Aussies in under cloudy conditions. 

Come on England 🏴󠁧󠁢󠁥󠁮󠁧󠁿

[Gav]

Early look at the wicket:

 

 

Edited July 6, 2023 by Gav

[Guest]

Last bit on this before the next test, anyone still believing in the 'spirit of the game' should turn sky on now. 

On today, first session will be huge. These conditions could see either side 5 down at lunch if they're not careful.

[Guest]

Rumours Mitchell Marsh in for Cameron Green.

[Dreams of 1995]

Jimmy must be wondering why he had to slog it out at Edgbaston whilst Wood gets the lush green of Headingley!!

Woakes should find some serious movement on this pitch. Bowl first please